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23 Dec 2012, 08:14
Congrats on all of your admits. That's wonderful news. I remember you from last year's Booth thread and I'm so glad you had more success this year.
As for which school you should attend, I have no clue. Can you attend all of the admit weekends? That should help you get a feel of where you belong. Also look at placements for each school into PE/VC/HF/buyside. At the end of the day we are all in bschool to get jobs. Make the first cut at that level. Once you choose the 2-3 schools that will best position you for the job you want then base the rest on what you want for your personal life. I really only know two of the schools you're looking at so I can't compare them against the others.
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23 Dec 2012, 08:52
Echos Cheets comments. I am Tuck biased obviously, but given what all you are looking for - dating scene, finance strength etc. - I think Kellogg suits you better. I have heard that Finance is very strong at Kellogg, contrary to what a lot of people think. Its obviously a great school. Between Chicago and Kellogg, Chicago's stronger than Kellogg.

The icing for you would be to get an admit from MIT Sloan. No further thinking required then - fits all your checkboxes, and don't forget the prestige factor as well. Cheers!
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23 Dec 2012, 09:19
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The icing for you would be to get an admit from MIT Sloan. No further thinking required then - fits all your checkboxes, and don't forget the prestige factor as well. Cheers!

Thank you! But do you really think MIT is better than Chicago/ Kellogg? Boston is great for social life, while being a manageable city but I had a feeling that MIT Sloan was almost too quant - I have heard stories that companies recruit only for quant hedge funds/ logistics/ supply chain management positions, engineering type stuff almost.

I have no problem with quant rigor but definitely don't want to be doing regressions all day in my next job. What do you think?

I think the too quant image is a misconception ppl have. Recruiting wise, a lot of the class goes into consulting, and finance. High on entrepreneurship. And there are enough 'stories' floating around on every school read about the school. Its career report etc. that will probably provide the best picture
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23 Dec 2012, 09:26
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Congrats on all of your admits. I really only know two of the schools you're looking at so I can't compare them against the others.

You could Would really appreciate a comment on Booth vs Kellogg - do you think a WL is worth it or are they fairly similar in recruiting/ social life?

I think that you'll do fine in recruiting at either school. I think that Booth's network might be deeper into high finance than Kellogg's given Booth's historic strength in that area (hell, isn't David Booth some big HF guy?), so that may be something to consider. Also look at who is recruiting on campus in these areas. I know that Booth has the PE/VC lab and Hyde Park Angels (our own VC fund thingy...I believe students do all of the analysis while the investors make the final decision on where money goes). From what I hear many students get their PE/VC internships through the lab class. Check to see if Kellogg has similar opportunities (which I think they do).

Culturally, Booth and Kellogg are very different (in my opinion). I would say that Kellogg is more high energy all the time. I remember when I was first admitted last year and joined the facebook group. Everyone was clamoring for happy hours in every corner of the globe. Booth's was kind of silent when I first joined. However, it picked up speed very quickly once June hit and the socializing hasn't stopped since. The way I would describe Boothies is more "slow-building." There were people who I met at admit weekend who never thought I would hang out with. Now that I am here they are some of my favorite bar buddies. It just took a few interactions for us to click. Kellogg's culture is more instantaneously outgoing and "rah! rah! rah!". Some people love that and others find it to be a bit overwhelming. It all depends on your personality.

Do I think Booth is worth the wait? Abso-frickin-lutely!
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23 Dec 2012, 09:28
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Echos Cheets comments. I am Tuck biased obviously, but given what all you are looking for - dating scene, finance strength etc. - I think Kellogg suits you better. I have heard that Finance is very strong at Kellogg, contrary to what a lot of people think. Its obviously a great school. Between Chicago and Kellogg, Chicago's stronger than Kellogg.

The icing for you would be to get an admit from MIT Sloan. No further thinking required then - fits all your checkboxes, and don't forget the prestige factor as well. Cheers!

I actually think finance recruiting is much stronger at Booth than Sloan. Also, I don't know about Sloan's social scene either. I've heard mixed reviews. Great school regardless but definitely needs a fit test before deciding.
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23 Dec 2012, 10:29
Congrats on being admitted to some really great schools.

Obviously, fit with your personality and career goals is massively important, but I think the school's overall brand merits serious consideration as well. You know that you want to go into PE/VC right now, but what if you change your mind in 5 or 10 years? Echoing cheet's post, I would try and attend as many admitted students weekends as possible. Hopefully the visits won't make your decision more difficult than it already is, but I'm sure that more information will only help.

If I was in your shoes, I would rank the options in the following way: Booth (if admitted) > Sloan (if admitted) > Kellogg. I have slight bias for Booth because I plan on matriculating, but I'm trying to be as objective as possible.
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23 Dec 2012, 11:05
Hey there--I'll be choosing between Yale and Kellogg, so I'm just going to take it for granted that the obvious first round of elimination leaves you deciding between those two!

Have you visited both schools? I saw and heard about Kellogg's strong finance, so you won't be disappointed with Advanced Disney Finance. I think you're totally right that it will be easier to date if you go there. But, easier doesn't actually mean feasible. I hate to burst that bubble, but you're going to be way too busy to date, especially if you go to a school as sociable as Kellogg.

I am personally leaning toward Yale because it's so non-profit and social-impact focused, however, I think that this predominant facet at Yale will be a boon for you during recruiting season (i.e. the entire time you're in b school!). From what I understand, Yale is able to get most of the same recruiters to campus and you have much less competition. Yale's biggest weakness may be its alumni network, but the school is closely linked the parent university, and you will have easy access to tons of Yale alumni. The integrated curriculum is really amazing and as you noted, the new facilities are gonna be "hawt"!

At the end of the day, I think you'll be happy to know that you can't go wrong. All of these schools are going to offer amazing opportunities. I think you should narrow down the list and see if you can pop over to their admit weekends and/or regional events.

Did I already mention this? CONGRATULATIONS. Great story, great outcome!
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23 Dec 2012, 11:41
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I think you're totally right that it will be easier to date if you go there. But, easier doesn't actually mean feasible. I hate to burst that bubble, but you're going to be way too busy to date, especially if you go to a school as sociable as Kellogg.

You are 100% correct. I just have this notion that b-school will be some sort of vacation as compared to a banking job. I'm probably gonna be just as busy.

At the same time, I'd love an option to go out and grab a drink with friends or go bar hopping once the finals are taken care of. Not really meant it in a "snuggle on the couch watching reruns of Lost" type of way.

You will be just as busy but it's a different kind of busy. I'd say 90% of what's on your calendar is stuff you actually want to do. Yes, it does feel hectic, but it also feel energizing as well.

As for dating in b-school, trust me when I say that people make time for whole lots of it. At Booth people were coupled up before Thanksgiving. What you have to remember is that MBA programs are the perfect petri dishes for mating. You have smart, attractive, driven people spending exorbitant amounts of time together drowning in copious amounts of alcohol. Many a night of poor life choices often lead to decent dating relationships.
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To be honest, I'm more excited about trying to meet women at the med school!!
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23 Dec 2012, 13:21
Doesn't Tuck place very strongly into PE because of the strength of its network? I'd reach out to current students and find out.

Edit: While I also applied to a lot of the same schools, I'm targeting MC, not PE, so take what I say with a grain of salt. From my research, I've heard that Booth and Tuck do very well in PE. I can honestly say I have not heard the same things about Kellogg/Sloan. So, if I were in your shoes, I'd probably be thinking: Booth > Tuck > Sloan/Kellogg.
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23 Dec 2012, 14:02
Yeah, you are definitely faced with a difficult decision. I think it's smart that you're being realistic that you may need to go back to IBD before ultimately transitioning to PE/VC/HF.

Have you considered posting this question on WSO? They can be a little hostile sometimes, but this question is really right up their alley.
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23 Dec 2012, 14:05
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kingfalcon wrote:
Doesn't Tuck place very strongly into PE because of the strength of its network? I'd reach out to current students and find out

Actually, purely number-wise:
Booth is an undisputed leader that places ~7-8% to PE + 20% amount to IBD+ 7% amount to
investment management
Kellogg and Tuck are at 5%, 2-4% to investment management and 11% for IBD
MIT is about 3%
By comparison, Stanford and HBS are both ~15%

I think Booth's placement in PE could be self-selection - people who are interested in finance are likely to go to Booth. But don't forget that would also lead to higher competition and firms are likely to diversify. I have heard that PE would actually want to hire more Kellogg but there aren't any qualified takers; Booth breathes finance while Tuck networks its way into PE. Don't forget that Kellogg's class is slightly larger than Booth and both are much more massive than Tuck: 32 people were placed at Kellogg, 40 at Booth. My gut feeling is students who end up at IBD are the ones who didn't get the more prestigious PE, hell, that where I am at now ha-ha, so imagine the competition at Booth.

I am clearly confused.

I'll also reach out to students - just stuck at work right now but will draft an e-mail over Christmas.

Your gut is mistaken. IBD cannot be back up for people who do not get PE jobs because IBD recruiting happens much earlier than PE's cycle. While many people who are recruiting for IBD are definitely interested in PE as a long term goal they CHOOSE to go the IB route first to get that experience on their resume. IBD recruiting starts almost immediately in the fall and is finished by the end of January so there really isn't time to try and not succeed with another career route. Most people who do get PE gigs don't secure them until late winter (end of February/early March) and even into the spring (May/June).
Most MBA students are HIGHLY risk averse. People are taking on a mountain of debt and very few are willing to hold out until March-June to find out if they're going to have a job or internship. For this reason alone many people opt out of PE recruiting. While finding a job in PE is competitive, it is that way overall because you have students from all of the top schools competing for 1-2 jobs at a small # of firms. Booth isn't any more saturated than other schools even with the strong finance program.
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