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28 Mar 2013, 19:44
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I'm a non-traditional applicant from nonprofit/military/government with interests in doing a rotational program or consulting (vague I know). I've been accepted to Kellogg and Tuck and curious what people think based on my (vague) goals.
At this point, I'm leaning Tuck. While my goals seem to be Kellogg's bread and butter, I really value "the MBA experience" and don't view the 2 years as just a means to an end. While I initially applied to Tuck and Kellogg because they both were hyped as great experiences with students passionate about their respective schools, my limited experience w/ Kellogg has made me question if its reputation actually holds true. During my visit to Kellogg and in viewing this forum, I don't get the impression that Kellogg is really anyone's top choice (save for a few marketing folks) and I'm getting the vibe that it is a place people seem to end up if they don't get into any of the other top 8 schools (H/S/W/B/M/C/T). It even seems like Yale/Fuqua steals a decent number of Kellogg admits.
While I am by no means a rankings whore, I do want to go to a school where students (not just alums) are passionate about the school and excited to be there. Is my perception off on Kellogg? Have I been exposed to an unrepresentative sample there?
Tuck, on the other hand, seems to have lived up to the hype of having passionate "Tuckies", many of whom had Tuck as their first choice and are thrilled to be there.
At this point, I'm leaning Tuck. While my goals seem to be Kellogg's bread and butter, I really value "the MBA experience" and don't view the 2 years as just a means to an end. While I initially applied to Tuck and Kellogg because they both were hyped as great experiences with students passionate about their respective schools, my limited experience w/ Kellogg has made me question if its reputation actually holds true. During my visit to Kellogg and in viewing this forum, I don't get the impression that Kellogg is really anyone's top choice (save for a few marketing folks) and I'm getting the vibe that it is a place people seem to end up if they don't get into any of the other top 8 schools (H/S/W/B/M/C/T). It even seems like Yale/Fuqua steals a decent number of Kellogg admits.
While I am by no means a rankings whore, I do want to go to a school where students (not just alums) are passionate about the school and excited to be there. Is my perception off on Kellogg? Have I been exposed to an unrepresentative sample there?
Tuck, on the other hand, seems to have lived up to the hype of having passionate "Tuckies", many of whom had Tuck as their first choice and are thrilled to be there.
28 Mar 2013, 21:23
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Completely unrelated to your question but I have actually looked at your profile today after I noticed that you withdrew your application from Yale and then noticed you still have not picked a school and was very curious where you were planning to go and almost PM'ed you but then kids were eating dinner and that though flew away .... small world. I am glad you posted this. Was Yale too "obvious" or "pigeon hole" of a school?
You will get a lot more school pride with Tuck than Kellogg, just by sheer number of alums (the more the number, the looser they are). However, surprisingly enough both schools have a similar yield rate of about 55%. Duke and Yale are hovering just around under 50%, so I am not sure that they steal folks but basically all schools below H/S/W are usually what people tend to think they will "settle" for.
Both programs are good, solid, and will be great experience, but they will be completely different experience or rather as different as the two can be - setting (Chicago vs. Remote), large class vs. small, student culture, etc. There are really more differences between the two. I would agree and admit that in my experience, applicants tend to side/err on the side of Tuck outside of the HWS choices due to the small class size, strong alum base, and as you pointed out, actually wanting to be there. It seems Tuck has a strong and unique identity that puts it aside from any school including the HSW due to its small class and remote nature that unites all students and I think Kellogg is still working on building its identity up. Just my opinion and curious if others have anything to add.
You will get a lot more school pride with Tuck than Kellogg, just by sheer number of alums (the more the number, the looser they are). However, surprisingly enough both schools have a similar yield rate of about 55%. Duke and Yale are hovering just around under 50%, so I am not sure that they steal folks but basically all schools below H/S/W are usually what people tend to think they will "settle" for.
Both programs are good, solid, and will be great experience, but they will be completely different experience or rather as different as the two can be - setting (Chicago vs. Remote), large class vs. small, student culture, etc. There are really more differences between the two. I would agree and admit that in my experience, applicants tend to side/err on the side of Tuck outside of the HWS choices due to the small class size, strong alum base, and as you pointed out, actually wanting to be there. It seems Tuck has a strong and unique identity that puts it aside from any school including the HSW due to its small class and remote nature that unites all students and I think Kellogg is still working on building its identity up. Just my opinion and curious if others have anything to add.
28 Mar 2013, 22:03
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I wholeheartedly agree with bb.
The thing about Tuck is that it's so easy for someone who feels ambivalent about the school to find a reason to go somewhere else. The remote location is a highly effective filter that ensures only the most passionate people accept the invitation to matriculate (in fact, the location keeps a lot of people from applying in the first place, which is great). Though some may apply without visiting, most won't accept until after they've visited and fallen in love.
There are a few things that ensure Tuckies are super close:
Everyone's out there, together and alone. What I mean is that Tuckies have each other and ONLY each other, 2.5 hours from Boston. No one moves to Hanover already knowing a bunch of friends in the area. No one grew up in Hanover. No one is skipping the MBA party in favor of some other local party. Hanover has a population of 11,000. Dartmouth has 6,000 students, and the other 5,000 residents feed, clothe, and otherwise support the students. Your only social/intellectual/emotional stimulation is likely to come from other Tuckies.
Any top MBA is harsh, but winter in Hanover kicks things up a notch. When you survive something harsh with others, there's a natural sense of camaraderie.
There aren't a whole lot of Tuckies. Small class sizes mean that you know everyone. It means that you get personal attention and support from peers, faculty, and staff. Therefore, it's natural for Tuckies to feel a lot of gratitude and pay it forward. It's a virtuous cycle.
I can't comment on Kellogg, as I haven't visited the campus (campus visits for the fall semester had already ended by the time I applied/returned to the US). But I'm sure they don't have the closeness I saw when I went to Tuck.
About a third of students were in Tuck-branded clothes.
Anytime a student was headed towards/returning from the interview rooms, other students addressed him by name and wished him luck/asked how it went.
The professor of the class I observed had me introduce myself before he got started. I spoke for about 30 seconds and the whole class applauded me for about the same length of time. They are just so damn amicable.
Tuck spirit is a veritable force to be reckoned with. I feel it, and I only spent 6 hours there!
The thing about Tuck is that it's so easy for someone who feels ambivalent about the school to find a reason to go somewhere else. The remote location is a highly effective filter that ensures only the most passionate people accept the invitation to matriculate (in fact, the location keeps a lot of people from applying in the first place, which is great). Though some may apply without visiting, most won't accept until after they've visited and fallen in love.
There are a few things that ensure Tuckies are super close:
Everyone's out there, together and alone. What I mean is that Tuckies have each other and ONLY each other, 2.5 hours from Boston. No one moves to Hanover already knowing a bunch of friends in the area. No one grew up in Hanover. No one is skipping the MBA party in favor of some other local party. Hanover has a population of 11,000. Dartmouth has 6,000 students, and the other 5,000 residents feed, clothe, and otherwise support the students. Your only social/intellectual/emotional stimulation is likely to come from other Tuckies.
Any top MBA is harsh, but winter in Hanover kicks things up a notch. When you survive something harsh with others, there's a natural sense of camaraderie.
There aren't a whole lot of Tuckies. Small class sizes mean that you know everyone. It means that you get personal attention and support from peers, faculty, and staff. Therefore, it's natural for Tuckies to feel a lot of gratitude and pay it forward. It's a virtuous cycle.
I can't comment on Kellogg, as I haven't visited the campus (campus visits for the fall semester had already ended by the time I applied/returned to the US). But I'm sure they don't have the closeness I saw when I went to Tuck.
About a third of students were in Tuck-branded clothes.
Anytime a student was headed towards/returning from the interview rooms, other students addressed him by name and wished him luck/asked how it went.
The professor of the class I observed had me introduce myself before he got started. I spoke for about 30 seconds and the whole class applauded me for about the same length of time. They are just so damn amicable.
Tuck spirit is a veritable force to be reckoned with. I feel it, and I only spent 6 hours there!
