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This topic is locked. If you want to discuss this question please repost it in the respective forum. John has 12 clients and he wants to use color coding to identify each client. If either a single color or a pair of two different colors can represent a client code, what is the minimum number of colors needed for the coding? Assume that changing the color order within a pair does not produce different codes. (A) 24 (B) 12 (C) 7 (D) 6 (E) 5 Source: GMAT Club Tests  hardest GMAT questions



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sarzan wrote: John has 12 clients and he wants to use color coding to identify each client. If either a single color or a pair of two different colors can represent a client code, what is the minimum number of colors needed for the coding? Assume that changing the color order within a pair does not produce different codes.
* 24 * 12 * 7 * 6 * 5 start from the least number: 5 colors can represent 5 single colored codes + 5C2=10 two colored codes = 15 color codes which should be suff for 12 clients. E should be the answer



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Agree with e
5+5C2 = 15 .. >12



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we need xC2 + x > 12 => x(x+1)/2 + x > 12 => x*(x+1) > 24
so x=5.
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sarzan wrote: John has 12 clients and he wants to use color coding to identify each client. If either a single color or a pair of two different colors can represent a client code, what is the minimum number of colors needed for the coding? Assume that changing the color order within a pair does not produce different codes.
* 24 * 12 * 7 * 6 * 5 5c2+5c1 >12 => andmin value IMO E
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Answer should be E.
Let say we have 5 color which is A,B,C,D,E
We can code 12 clients as A,B,C,D,E,AB,AC,AD,AE,BC,BD,BE.
so atleast 5 color required. Even the 4 color will not be able to code all 12 client.oNLY 10 CLIENT CAN BE CODED USNING 4 COLOR. A,B,C,D,AB,AC,AD,BC,BD,CD
so minimum 5 color required. Friends, Let me know if I am wrong.



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Ans should be E... here's how I did it :
Work with the answer options here..start with the least, that's 5.
Lets say the colors are A,B,C,D,E and the clients are numbered from 112.
Therefore: 1A, 2B,....E5, 6AB, 7AC, 8AD, 9AE 10BC,...,11BE, 12CD...and so on. Actually 5 colors would do for 15 clients...
My method is a bit rudimentary, I've got to better my PnC PS.
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alpha_plus_gamma wrote: scthakur wrote: [quote="alpha_plus_gamma 5 colors can represent 5 single colored codes + 5C3=10 two colored codes = 15 color codes which should be suff for 12 clients.
E should be the answer Did you mean 5C2 here? Although, the value will remain the same, but just wanted to check. Yes. sorry for the typo![/quote] I can get the problem drawing out the color codes but I was wondering if there was a better way. I see that you have 5C2 + 5 = 15. What does the 5C2 stand for? 5 color 2? Is there a specific equation for problems like these so I don't spend so much time drawing it out?
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sonnco wrote: alpha_plus_gamma wrote: I can get the problem drawing out the color codes but I was wondering if there was a better way. I see that you have 5C2 + 5 = 15. What does the 5C2 stand for? 5 color 2? Is there a specific equation for problems like these so I don't spend so much time drawing it out? 5C2 is a "combinations" representation  denoting the number of unique combinations of 2 items you can get from a group of 5 items. The generic format is nCr = n!/(r!*(nr)!)



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Given: Since, order of colors doesn't matter here ...use Combinations. If, NC1 + NC2 >= 12 then what is N? \(\frac{N!}{(N1)!}\) + \(\frac{N!}{(N2)! * 2}\) >= 12 ==> \(N^2\) >= 24 ==> N >= 5 Cheers! Ravi
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I started by taking minimum value as 5 (from the answer key) 5 = 5 colors for five clients with single color Since arrangement doest matter so it will be 5C2 and not 5P2 5C2 = 10 so 5 + 10 = 15 > 12
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let us take 5 single color codes then it will be 5+5C2= 15 so E is the answer
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I chose E. 5 single codes 5c2 = 10 pair codes total 10+5 = 15, which is more than 12.
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I've used my Veritas GMAT prep to understand this new concept but the company is seriously lacking in defining this new concept. Can anyone explain in more detail to someone new to this concept on how to solve this problem. I tried using the combinatoric formula or simple counting method but was lost by the time I tried to solve it.Thanks



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AzWildcat1 wrote: I've used my Veritas GMAT prep to understand this new concept but the company is seriously lacking in defining this new concept. Can anyone explain in more detail to someone new to this concept on how to solve this problem. I tried using the combinatoric formula or simple counting method but was lost by the time I tried to solve it.Thanks John has 12 clients and he wants to use color coding to identify each client. If either a single color or a pair of two different colors can represent a client code, what is the minimum number of colors needed for the coding? Assume that changing the color order within a pair does not produce different codes.A. 24 B. 12 C. 7 D. 6 E. 5 The concept is not that hard. We can use combination or trial and error approach. Combination approach:Let # of colors needed be \(n\), then it must be true that \(n+C^2_n\geq{12}\) (\(C^2_n\)  # of ways to choose the pair of different colors from \(n\) colors when order doesn't matter) > \(n+\frac{n(n1)}{2}\geq{12}\) > \(2n+n(n1)\geq{24}\) > \(n(n+1)\geq{24}\) > as \(n\) is an integer (it represents # of colors) \(n\geq{5}\) > \(n_{min}=5\). Trial and error approach: If the minimum number of colors needed is 4 then there are 4 single color codes possible PLUS \(C^2_4=6\) twocolor codes > 4+6=10<12 > not enough for 12 codes; If the minimum number of colors needed is 5 then there are 5 single color codes possible PLUS \(C^2_5=10\) twocolor codes > 5+10=15>12 > more than enough for 12 codes. Actually as the least answer choice is 5 then if you tried it first you'd get the correct answer right away. Answer: E. Hope it's clear.
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sarzan wrote: John has 12 clients and he wants to use color coding to identify each client. If either a single color or a pair of two different colors can represent a client code, what is the minimum number of colors needed for the coding? Assume that changing the color order within a pair does not produce different codes. (A) 24 (B) 12 (C) 7 (D) 6 (E) 5 Source: GMAT Club Tests  hardest GMAT questions If n colors are used, there are n codes with 1 color and n(n1)/2 codes with 2 colors. First color  n options, second color n  1 options, which gives n(n  1) options, then divide by 2 because order in which we choose the two colors doesn't matter. It is obvious that the correct answer should be less than 12. Already for n = 5, we get 5 + 5x4/2 = 15 which is greater than 12. Therefore, answer E.
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Just count in fingers......simple..Start with the least option..'5' 1 2 3 4 5 12 13 14 15 23 24 ...........so its enough..Answer 5..
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Quick trial and error approach: Start with 3: 3 single colored codes + 3C2 doubled colored codes = 6 //not enough Next 4: 4 single colored codes + 4C2 doubled colored codes = 10 //not enough Next 5: 5 single colored codes + 5C2 doubled colored codes = 15 >12 //enough
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E.
I tested answer choices. Started with the smallest answer (E).
5 different colors + _ _ (Slot method for counting....since order matters...you divide by the factorial number of slots where order matters, in this case 2)
= 5 + (5 choices of colors x 4 choices of colors divided by 2!) = 15.
15 different combinations is sufficient for 12 people.
I stopped there as the other choices were all larger.




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