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New post 10 May 2017, 05:48
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Hi Experts, I have 2 questions:

1) Comma Usage before BUT: Here the usage - Medicare covers the full cost of X, but not of Y. I always see whenever there is COMMA + BUT, then there should be independent clause after BUT. But in this case, COMMA + BUT is used to connect two prepositional phrases. Why is the rule COMMA + FANBOYS should always be followed by IC valid here?

2) ING modifier: I understand in choice B that ING is modifying the previous clause. But the last portion of the previous clause also states - "But not of other nonhospital services" and that's why I marked B thinking that it is the previous clause. Can you explain a bit on why ING is wrong here?

Thanks a lot for your help! I really appreciate it.


1. COMMA+ BUT can also be used for Idioms: NOT X, BUT Y. Option C is such an usage (X, BUT NOT Y)

2. Although many good guides state that the comma+ present participle modifier modifies the entire previous clause, technically this modifier is a verb modifier, referring the verb (action) of the previous clause. This conceptual clarity would help sort out quite a few issues as the one you stated.
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Medicare covers X but not Y

X= the full cost of home health care
Y = cost of of other non hospital services

verb-ing is not needed - it will relate back to the subject so Medicare is not making them to pay the cost - so creates nonsensical meaning

Hence C
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New post 03 Sep 2017, 02:10
can you please help with option D. Grammatically the options seems fine to me.And though Payal has mentioned that there is an error of meaning in this, I am unable to find one.
What I understand from option D is - Medicare covers full cost of home health. Home health is unlike other services in that ( READ- BECAUSE) 20 % of the costs must be paid by beneficiaries.

Please correct me- What I understand from Payal's comment is that in this sentence we dont know is medicare responsible for the beneficiaries paying 20% for services other than Home health. But I was thinking that since we are talking about the beneficiaries of the medicare- it becomes implicit that Meicare covers only 80% of cost for other services? NO? IS there any grammar error ??
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can you please help with option D. Grammatically the options seems fine to me.And though Payal has mentioned that there is an error of meaning in this, I am unable to find one.
What I understand from option D is - Medicare covers full cost of home health. Home health is unlike other services in that ( READ- BECAUSE) 20 % of the costs must be paid by beneficiaries.

Please correct me- What I understand from Payal's comment is that in this sentence we dont know is medicare responsible for the beneficiaries paying 20% for services other than Home health. But I was thinking that since we are talking about the beneficiaries of the medicare- it becomes implicit that Meicare covers only 80% of cost for other services? NO? IS there any grammar error ??



Hello pulkitaggi1,

I think the question was directed towards the experts but let me try my hand here (not an expert though, but a far cry from that :sad:)

I think you misunderstood. The meaning of sentence is that - medicare covers full cost of home health care. In this case (home health care), the beneficiaries don't have to pay anything. Everything is covered and cost to beneficiaries is 0% since the plan covers everything. Now this case (payment <--> home health care) is unlike other non hospital services. Why? Because in non-hospital services, beneficiaries have to pay some amount. How much? 20% of all the costs.

Hence there is a distinction between home health care and other non hospital services, the way in which cost is covered by the plan.

The ideal structure in C makes it clear - Medicare (singular subject) covers (singular verb) the full cost of X, but not of Y, for Y beneficiaries must pay 20 percent of the costs.

In option D, the contrast is not clear and the meaning is not understood. The contrast should be in the plan's way of payment in 2 ways. 100% in one v/s 80% in other.

if which refers to home health care, then we have --> home health care is unlike other non-hospital services in that 20 percent of the costs must be paid by beneficiaries.

How is home health care different? in that 20 percent of the costs must be paid by beneficiaries.

For me it states that in home health care, 20% is paid by beneficiaries. This is absurd considering first part of the sentence.
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New post 27 Dec 2018, 03:21
Okay. Lets be honest , three very easy eliminations straight away, focusing on grammar rules.
Option A,D and E out.
A. but not with other nonhospital services where 20 percent of the costs must be paid by beneficiaries.
where is incorrect , modifying services - > out.

B. but not of other nonhospital services, making beneficiaries pay 20 percent of the costs.
correct comparison. However, making is actually modifying the whole clause which doesn't make sense.

C . but not of other nonhospital services, for which beneficiaries must pay 20 percent of the costs.
correct comparison . for which usage is clear and concise, making it clear that for non hospital services beneficiaries have to pay 20 percent of the costs.

D. which is unlike other nonhospital services in that 20 percent of the costs must be paid by beneficiaries.
which is referring to health care , wait a minute , health care is unlike other non - hospital services . totally wrong. ->out.

E. which is unlike other nonhospital services that make beneficiaries pay 20 percent of the costs.
Same reason mentioned in choice D
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New post 03 Jan 2019, 12:51
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Medicare, the United States government’s health insurance program for the elderly and disabled, covers the full cost of home health care, but not with other nonhospital services where 20 percent of the costs must be paid by beneficiaries.


A. but not with other nonhospital services where 20 percent of the costs must be paid by beneficiaries.

B. but not of other nonhospital services, making beneficiaries pay 20 percent of the costs.

C . but not of other nonhospital services, for which beneficiaries must pay 20 percent of the costs.

D. which is unlike other nonhospital services in that 20 percent of the costs must be paid by beneficiaries.

E. which is unlike other nonhospital services that make beneficiaries pay 20 percent of the costs.


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Hi, I watched your videos on SC and they got me thinking ... whether in B, D, and E "the costs" relate the costs that are really intended here. I think "the costs" refer back to "the full cost of home health care" - are they? I mean that such a meaning doesn't make sense, but to me the structure seems to imply that. You may also wonder why I don't think that the same is true for A and C. Honestly, I don't have a strong case. For C, I guess that that modifier "for which" connects the idea that we're talking about the costs for nonhospital services. As for A, not sure.

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Hi, I watched your videos on SC and they got me thinking ... whether in B, D, and E "the costs" relate the costs that are really intended here. I think "the costs" refer back to "the full cost of home health care" - are they? I mean that such a meaning doesn't make sense, but to me the structure seems to imply that. You may also wonder why I don't think that the same is true for A and C. Honestly, I don't have a strong case. For C, I guess that that modifier "for which" connects the idea that we're talking about the costs for nonhospital services. As for A, not sure.

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You answered your own question, jawele! In (B) and (D), "the costs" aren't specified. Do they refer to to the total costs? Just the costs of nonhospital services? There's no way to know, and the ambiguity is problematic - we can't be expected to read the writer's mind.

As you noted, in (C) the phrase "for which" must refer to the nonhospital services, so we know precisely what costs we're talking about.

In (A), the phrase "nonhospital services where 20 percent of the costs must be paid by beneficiaries" is incoherent. It sounds as though "nonhospital services" is a physical location where patients go to pay their bills! That doesn't make any sense. So (C) is the only option with a clear, logical meaning.

I hope that helps!
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New post 18 Jan 2019, 13:15
I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned that there's a problem with choice C) too:

The first two times that cost occurs in the sentence, it's followed by of. But at the end of choice C), we're now talking about costs for. In other words, if we rearrange the relative clause, we have:

Beneficiaries must pay 20 percent of the costs for nonhospital services.

Clearly of would be preferable here, along with the singular cost, especially in light of what came before. Anyway, I can still agree that C) is the best answer, but it's not without fault either. This question is just another case of picking the least bad answer. I don't really think it's such a great question myself.
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