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# Need General Study and Application Advice

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13 Aug 2018, 16:53
Good evening,

I just purchased the Veritas self-study course and took their first CAS without any prepwork. I wanted to get a good baseline to track my improvement so figured this was the best course of action. I scored a Q: 38, V: 36, Overall: 610. I'm shooting to get a 730 and submit Round 2 applications to HBS, Wharton, Kellogg, Booth, CBS, Sloan, and Darden. I am currently accepted at UVA Law with all my tuition covered from 60% of the GI Bill and a scholarship from the school. I am considering doing the joint JD/MBA at UVA Law/Darden, or just going to business school. If I somehow got into HBS or Wharton, I would more than likely go that route over law school. The other schools would depend on the total out of pocket cost of attendance.

My background:
Bachelor of Science in History from U.S. Air Force Academy (3.03 GPA)
Master of Public Policy from George Mason University (3.82 GPA)
Captain in U.S. Air Force, will have 6 years of work experience as a contracting officer by the time I matriculate.

It took me about 6-7 months of total prep time to go from a 151 on my first LSAT practice test to a 173 on my 2nd actual attempt. Given all of this information, is it reasonable to think I could improve enough by the time Round 2 applications are due to be competitive for admission at these schools? If so, when would be the best time to schedule the actual test? (I ask because there is typically a 1 month delay on the LSAT before getting the official score and I am not too familiar with the GMAT at this point). Finally, what is the best way to utilize the GMAT Official Guide and the Veritas self-study course for those who went that route?

I appreciate any insight provided.
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13 Aug 2018, 17:59
AFSeminole wrote:
Good evening,

I just purchased the Veritas self-study course and took their first CAS without any prepwork. I wanted to get a good baseline to track my improvement so figured this was the best course of action. I scored a Q: 38, V: 36, Overall: 610. I'm shooting to get a 730 and submit Round 2 applications to HBS, Wharton, Kellogg, Booth, CBS, Sloan, and Darden. I am currently accepted at UVA Law with all my tuition covered from 60% of the GI Bill and a scholarship from the school. I am considering doing the joint JD/MBA at UVA Law/Darden, or just going to business school. If I somehow got into HBS or Wharton, I would more than likely go that route over law school. The other schools would depend on the total out of pocket cost of attendance.

My background:
Bachelor of Science in History from U.S. Air Force Academy (3.03 GPA)
Master of Public Policy from George Mason University (3.82 GPA)
Captain in U.S. Air Force, will have 6 years of work experience as a contracting officer by the time I matriculate.

It took me about 6-7 months of total prep time to go from a 151 on my first LSAT practice test to a 173 on my 2nd actual attempt. Given all of this information, is it reasonable to think I could improve enough by the time Round 2 applications are due to be competitive for admission at these schools? If so, when would be the best time to schedule the actual test? (I ask because there is typically a 1 month delay on the LSAT before getting the official score and I am not too familiar with the GMAT at this point). Finally, what is the best way to utilize the GMAT Official Guide and the Veritas self-study course for those who went that route?

I appreciate any insight provided.

Well a 100 point improvement is not very uncommon. But the time you would need would depend a lot on how much time you can put in and on using the right material and approach.

But generally speaking, you should look to wrap up the GMAT latest by middle of November. And then you can work on your applications in the next 1.5 months. GMAT scores are available within 14 days of the exam. So that isn't really a concern.

The one concern is that if you leave your GMAT too late and you do not hit your target score, you will not have time left for a retake. So do take this into consideration too.

I am not really a fan of setting a target date months in advance for the test. I rather prefer continuous study and then register whenever you feel you are ready for it.

Good luck!!!
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16 Aug 2018, 08:12
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Given all of this information, is it reasonable to think I could improve enough by the time Round 2 applications are due to be competitive for admission at these schools? If so, when would be the best time to schedule the actual test?

100+ point improvements happen quite frequently with GMAT Pill students. You can see some of the distributions and stories at:

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You'll see some didn't quite make the 100 whereas many did. Of course, the lower you start off, the easier it is to actually make that leap. That said, we have had students come in at 690 --- and still improve all the way to 760. So it's definitely possible and more common than you might think.

If you feel you are stuck, it may help to open your eyes to see how someone else thinks through GMAT questions so you can subconsciously compare your thought process with others.

At GMAT Pill, that's what we provide - a different perspective that often opens up new doors for mental approaches to the same questions you are answering.

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16 Aug 2018, 08:44
AFSeminole wrote:
Good evening,

I just purchased the Veritas self-study course and took their first CAS without any prepwork. I wanted to get a good baseline to track my improvement so figured this was the best course of action. I scored a Q: 38, V: 36, Overall: 610. I'm shooting to get a 730 and submit Round 2 applications to HBS, Wharton, Kellogg, Booth, CBS, Sloan, and Darden. I am currently accepted at UVA Law with all my tuition covered from 60% of the GI Bill and a scholarship from the school. I am considering doing the joint JD/MBA at UVA Law/Darden, or just going to business school. If I somehow got into HBS or Wharton, I would more than likely go that route over law school. The other schools would depend on the total out of pocket cost of attendance.

My background:
Bachelor of Science in History from U.S. Air Force Academy (3.03 GPA)
Master of Public Policy from George Mason University (3.82 GPA)
Captain in U.S. Air Force, will have 6 years of work experience as a contracting officer by the time I matriculate.

It took me about 6-7 months of total prep time to go from a 151 on my first LSAT practice test to a 173 on my 2nd actual attempt. Given all of this information, is it reasonable to think I could improve enough by the time Round 2 applications are due to be competitive for admission at these schools? If so, when would be the best time to schedule the actual test? (I ask because there is typically a 1 month delay on the LSAT before getting the official score and I am not too familiar with the GMAT at this point). Finally, what is the best way to utilize the GMAT Official Guide and the Veritas self-study course for those who went that route?

I appreciate any insight provided.

Hi,

1. https://blog.targettestprep.com/how-to- ... -on-gmat/#

2. https://www.veritasprep.com/blog/tag/qu ... -wisdom-2/

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17 Aug 2018, 18:57
Hi AFSeminole,

I’m glad you reached out, and I’m happy to help. A 610, without any prep, is a great start. As I’m sure you know, improving from a 610 to a 730 will take a lot of time and effort. That being said, if you are motivated and ready to work hard you probably can improve your GMAT score by round 2 applications. To make such an improvement you will want to follow a study plan that allows you to learn linearly, such that you can slowly build GMAT mastery of one topic prior to moving forward to the next. Within each topic, begin with the foundations and progress toward more advanced concepts.

Follow a similar process for verbal. Let’s say you’re studying Critical Reasoning. Your first goal is to master the individual Critical Reasoning topics: strengthen the argument, weaken the argument, resolve the paradox, etc. As you learn each Critical Reasoning problem type, do focused practice so you can track your knowledge in the topic. As you go through the questions, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get correct. If you missed a weaken question, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not recognize what the question was asking? Did you skip over a key detail in an answer choice? Getting GMAT verbal questions right is a matter of what you know, what you see, and what you do. So, any time that you don't get a question right, you can seek to identify what, if anything, you would have needed to know in order to get the right answer, what you had to see that you didn't see, and what you could have done differently to arrive at the correct answer.

When you do dozens of questions of the same type one after the other, you learn just what it takes to get questions of that type correct consistently. If you aren't getting close to 90 percent of questions of a certain type correct, go back and seek to better understand how that type of question works, and then do more questions of that type until you get to around at least 90 percent accuracy in your training. If you get 100 percent of some sets correct, even better.

So, work on accuracy and generally finding correct answers, work on specific weaker areas one by one to make them strong areas, and when you take a practice GMAT or the real thing, take all the time per question available to do your absolute best to get right answers consistently. The GMAT is essentially a game of seeing how many right answers you can get in the time allotted. Approach the test with that conception in mind, and focus intently on the question in front of you with one goal in mind: getting a CORRECT answer.

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Please reach out with any further questions.
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