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Of all the vast tides of migration that have swept through history, maybe none is more concentrated as
the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto American shores in little more than three decades.
(A) maybe none is more concentrated as
(B) it may be that none is more concentrated as
(C) perhaps it is none that is more concentrated
than
(D) maybe it is none that was more concentrated
than
(E) perhaps none was more concentrated than

OGs explanation that "C" is wrong is that the comparison should be made in the past tense because the later part of the sentence is in the past tense.

Can someone please clarify the following...
1. The event of migration to American shores has happened in the past.
2. But this event is being compared to the events until now.
3. The fact that the American migration is the most concentrated is still valid now..
If the above facts are trues then shouldn't the comparison be in the present tense. In other words the comparison is valid even now ?


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I agree with you that the comparison is at present and present tense can be correct.
tense problem is usualy hard

however "it is none that..." is not idiomatic in c and d and "as" in a and b is incorrect. I can quickly go to E.
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Of all the vast tides of migration that have swept through history, maybe none is more concentrated as
the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto American shores in little more than three decades.
(A) maybe none is more concentrated as
(B) it may be that none is more concentrated as
(C) perhaps it is none that is more concentrated
than
(D) maybe it is none that was more concentrated
than
(E) perhaps none was more concentrated than

OGs explanation that "C" is wrong is that the comparison should be made in the past tense because the later part of the sentence is in the past tense.

Can someone please clarify the following...
1. The event of migration to American shores has happened in the past.
2. But this event is being compared to the events until now.
3. The fact that the American migration is the most concentrated is still valid now..
If the above facts are trues then shouldn't the comparison be in the present tense. In other words the comparison is valid even now ?
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Always be sure to identify the substantive clauses.
Here in our sentence "that" introduces substantive clause.
Look into the question in the following manner .
Of all the vast tides of migration (that have swept through history), maybe none is more concentrated as
the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto American shores in little more than three decades..

I think the question is not present Vs Past , but it is comparing the waves with the wave that brought 12 million americans ......
If you omit the "that" part , you surely will identify that the correct answer is E as it is the only choice which makes correct comparison.

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I agree with you that the comparison is at present and present tense can be correct.
tense problem is usualy hard

however "it is none that..." is not idiomatic in c and d and "as" in a and b is incorrect. I can quickly go to E.
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I agree wid what you said .Bu my ques was that wud it be right is ...can we reject C on the basis of Is present tense because the OG says the use of present tense is wrong.I dont see y.
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I agree with you that the comparison is at present and present tense can be correct.
tense problem is usualy hard

however "it is none that..." is not idiomatic in c and d and "as" in a and b is incorrect. I can quickly go to E.





I agree wid what you said .Bu my ques was that wud it be right is ...can we reject C on the basis of Is present tense because the OG says the use of present tense is wrong.I dont see y.
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Aside the formal and informal aspects of the term ‘maybe’, C and D is so off the mark on grammar in that you can’t have a present tense for an event that occurred in the past, unless it is a recurring and a universal phenomenon.

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I agree with you that the comparison is at present and present tense can be correct.
tense problem is usualy hard

however "it is none that..." is not idiomatic in c and d and "as" in a and b is incorrect. I can quickly go to E.





I agree wid what you said .Bu my ques was that wud it be right is ...can we reject C on the basis of Is present tense because the OG says the use of present tense is wrong.I dont see y.
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Aside the formal and informal aspects of the term ‘maybe’, C and D is so off the mark on grammar in that you can’t have a present tense for an event that occurred in the past, unless it is a recurring and a universal phenomenon.



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Is doesnt not pertain to the tense of the event ...it is a verb used for the comparison that is very much valid at present if u consider the original for the meaning\\
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Of all the vast tides of migration that have swept through history, maybe none is more concentrated as
the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto American shores in little more than three decades.
(A) maybe none is more concentrated as
(B) it may be that none is more concentrated as
(C) perhaps it is none that is more concentrated
than
(D) maybe it is none that was more concentrated
than
(E) perhaps none was more concentrated than

OGs explanation that "C" is wrong is that the comparison should be made in the past tense because the later part of the sentence is in the past tense.

Can someone please clarify the following...
1. The event of migration to American shores has happened in the past.
2. But this event is being compared to the events until now.
3. The fact that the American migration is the most concentrated is still valid now..
If the above facts are trues then shouldn't the comparison be in the present tense. In other words the comparison is valid even now ?
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But "American migration" "is" not most concentrated; "American migration" "was" most concentrated. Clearly "American migration" is a thing of the past.
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Of all the vast tides of migration that have swept through history, maybe none is more concentrated as
the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto American shores in little more than three decades.
(A) maybe none is more concentrated as
(B) it may be that none is more concentrated as
(C) perhaps it is none that is more concentrated
than
(D) maybe it is none that was more concentrated
than
(E) perhaps none was more concentrated than

OGs explanation that "C" is wrong is that the comparison should be made in the past tense because the later part of the sentence is in the past tense.

Can someone please clarify the following...
1. The event of migration to American shores has happened in the past.
2. But this event is being compared to the events until now.
3. The fact that the American migration is the most concentrated is still valid now..
If the above facts are trues then shouldn't the comparison be in the present tense. In other words the comparison is valid even now ?
But "American migration" "is" not most concentrated; "American migration" "was" most concentrated. Clearly "American migration" is a thing of the past.
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American migration is a thing in the past but it can be still the most concentrated ....a comparision true today
For eg Jaliawala Bagh is the most insane event in indian history
Of all the batsman that have played for India,Gavaskar is the best batsman .(Gavaskar played in the past)
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I think we can either say:

i) Of all Indian batsman that have played for India, Gavaskar was the best batsman...or we can say:
ii) Of all Indian batsman that have played for India, Gavaskar has been the best batsman.

If we say "Gavaskar is the best batsman", this would suggest that he still plays.

Here, since we are saying: "Of all the batsman that have played for India", this automatically suggests that we are considering all the batsmen up to the present (since "have played" is present perfect); however, to show that Gavaskar is no longer playing, we need to use simple past ("was the best").
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Of all the batsman that have played for India, Gavaskar is the best batsman .(Gavaskar played in the past)
I think we can either say:

i) Of all Indian batsman that have played for India, Gavaskar was the best batsman...or we can say:
ii) Of all Indian batsman that have played for India, Gavaskar has been the best batsman.

If we say "Gavaskar is the best batsman", this would suggest that he still plays.

Here, since we are saying: "Of all the batsman that have played for India", this automatically suggests that we are considering all the batsmen up to the present (since "have played" is present perfect); however, to show that Gavaskar is no longer playing, we need to use simple past ("was the best").
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I do understand the point you are making but I still doubt that .Will saying that gavaskar was the best batsman in India ..wouldnt mean now he is not the best batsman.
eg when we say MJ is the best dancer in the world .....we mean he is ..dancers have cum aftr him also...but hes still d best/
n wen we say MJ was the best dancer in the world ...we dnt know anything abt present ...may b dere are bettr dancers dan him nw
(P.S. MJ is dead)
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I do understand the point you are making but I still doubt that .Will saying that gavaskar was the best batsman in India ..wouldnt mean now he is not the best batsman.
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As I said, if we use present perfect, it automatically means that we are comparing him with all batsmen (including batsmen of today). So, "gavaskar was OR gavaskar is" is not doing that function.

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eg when we say MJ is the best dancer in the world .....we mean he is ..dancers have cum aftr him also...but hes still d best/
n wen we say MJ was the best dancer in the world ...we dnt know anything abt present ...may b dere are bettr dancers dan him nw
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I think if we say:

Of all dancers, MJ is the best: Not correct, because it obviously is talking only about present dancers..and incorrectly tells us that MJ is still there

If we say:

Of all dancers that the world has seen, MJ is the best: Not correct, because while here we are talking about "all" dancers (present and past, because of use of present perfect "has seen"), this is still incorrect because it tells us that MJ is still there

If we say:

Of all dancers that the world has seen, MJ was the best: Correct, because here we are talking about "all" dancers (present and past, because of use of present perfect "has seen"), and also telling that MJ is no more.
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Of all the vast tides of migration that have swept through history, maybe none is more concentrated as
the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto American shores in little more than three decades.
(A) maybe none is more concentrated as
(B) it may be that none is more concentrated as
(C) perhaps it is none that is more concentrated
than
(D) maybe it is none that was more concentrated
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(E) perhaps none was more concentrated than

OGs explanation that "C" is wrong is that the comparison should be made in the past tense because the later part of the sentence is in the past tense.

Can someone please clarify the following...
1. The event of migration to American shores has happened in the past.
2. But this event is being compared to the events until now.
3. The fact that the American migration is the most concentrated is still valid now..
If the above facts are trues then shouldn't the comparison be in the present tense. In other words the comparison is valid even now ?

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