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Here u go again. I did not say we can relegate meaning over grammar. I said "SC tests your grammar more than it tests anything else".
You are disproving your "perception" not what I said. read my lips.
Sentence correction primarily remains SC. "Oh mountain! come to the rivers" remains more correct than "Mr John come Oh! to me".

But the right one is meaningless.
Though meaningful in the context of the lexis n grammar.

A"I did say such cos such matters that I say such"
or
B " I did say that and it matters"

The first has more meaning but redundant and heavy.
the second has less meaning.
which is your answer in a GMAT SC?

my point: meaning is important and less confusing statements matter.
But which is the big guy in SC?
your confusion or the grammar?
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Mr. Nez,
If you thought so, be that as it may. But your confirmation that D is the correct answer in spite of it being the wrong meaning points to your altered intention. In any case, why did you have to repeat your last message twice? Are you confused?
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You presume a knowledge of the author's knowledge.
How do you know which has the wrong meaning?
*laughing*
in your question.
certainly I'm not. But I would have asked same of me if I were you. you threw the coin back to me:
believe me it's a good thing to do sometimes.
ensures some balance.
The repetition anyway suggests confusion really.
But if you look deeper you are certain to find there was a correction in the post.
I thought you are great critical thinker. sorry, I mean to say "I'm sure" not "think".
In veritas: I cannot say they are wrong. no way. they probably have insider in GMAC or Pearson. who knows.
But if you follow strict GMAT grammar lexis rules you'd be an SC assassin. but that's the hardest part really.
we try to boycott it with presumptuous understanding of the author's intention. but sometimes, it fails.. though it seems easier to do.
P.S. I haven't implied anyone is wrong pls. in fact sir you are more right than me.
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OK; Cool; I understand; I appreciate you thinking.
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What does 'it is' refers to in D?
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What does 'it is' refers to in D?


It refers to the computer making an action! :)

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Once the computer generates the financial reports, they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, so named because it demonstrates that every department’s accounting elements are in balance.


A. Once the computer generates the financial reports, they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, so named because it demonstrates that every department’s accounting elements balance.
B. Once the computer generates the financial reports, it is then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, named such because it demonstrated the balance of every department’s accounting elements.
C. Once the computer generates the financial reports they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, which demonstrates the balance of every department’s accounting elements.
D. Once the financial reports are generated by the computer, it is then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, so named because it demonstrates the balance of every department’s accounting elements.
E. Once the financial reports are generated by the computer, they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, named such because it demonstrates that every department’s accounting elements are in balance.


This question begs you to use common sense more so then advanced grammar rule- how can financial reports program a company-wide balance sheet? The pronoun should be correctly modifying "the computer." In B there is an ambiguous use of "it," so E is the answer.
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can you please correct the question- the choice A has an error in the end. It does not exactly replicate what we have in the question.
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akhil911 wrote:
Once the computer generates the financial reports, they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, so named because it demonstrates that every department’s accounting elements are in balance.


A. Once the computer generates the financial reports, they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, so named because it demonstrates that every department’s accounting elements balance.
B. Once the computer generates the financial reports, it is then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, named such because it demonstrated the balance of every department’s accounting elements.
C. Once the computer generates the financial reports they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, which demonstrates the balance of every department’s accounting elements.
D. Once the financial reports are generated by the computer, it is then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, so named because it demonstrates the balance of every department’s accounting elements.
E. Once the financial reports are generated by the computer, they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, named such because it demonstrates that every department’s accounting elements are in balance.


Responding to a pm:

Note that (A), (C) and (E) are wrong in their usage of 'they'.
'financial reports' cannot program a balance sheet and hence the pronoun used must refer back to the computer. Hence, we need to use 'it'.
In (B) and (D), we use 'it' (singular) which refers back to the computer (singular). It cannot refer back to financial reports (plural) and hence there is no ambiguity in pronoun-antecedent connection.

The problem with (B) is 'named such...'. The correct construct is 'so named ...'
We do prefer active over passive but that has no role to play here. Sentences in passive are not incorrect. It is just a preference we have for active because it is stronger. If there is an error in the sentence that uses active voice and the sentence using passive voice is error-free, you must choose the sentence using passive voice.


Hi Karishma,
in choice D, we have two it. One that refers to the compute and the other one to balance sheet. So,don't u think usage of it is ambiguous here. Kindly help
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
akhil911 wrote:
Once the computer generates the financial reports, they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, so named because it demonstrates that every department’s accounting elements are in balance.


A. Once the computer generates the financial reports, they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, so named because it demonstrates that every department’s accounting elements balance.
B. Once the computer generates the financial reports, it is then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, named such because it demonstrated the balance of every department’s accounting elements.
C. Once the computer generates the financial reports they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, which demonstrates the balance of every department’s accounting elements.
D. Once the financial reports are generated by the computer, it is then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, so named because it demonstrates the balance of every department’s accounting elements.
E. Once the financial reports are generated by the computer, they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, named such because it demonstrates that every department’s accounting elements are in balance.


Responding to a pm:

Note that (A), (C) and (E) are wrong in their usage of 'they'.
'financial reports' cannot program a balance sheet and hence the pronoun used must refer back to the computer. Hence, we need to use 'it'.
In (B) and (D), we use 'it' (singular) which refers back to the computer (singular). It cannot refer back to financial reports (plural) and hence there is no ambiguity in pronoun-antecedent connection.

The problem with (B) is 'named such...'. The correct construct is 'so named ...'
We do prefer active over passive but that has no role to play here. Sentences in passive are not incorrect. It is just a preference we have for active because it is stronger. If there is an error in the sentence that uses active voice and the sentence using passive voice is error-free, you must choose the sentence using passive voice.


Hi Karishma,
in choice D, we have two it. One that refers to the compute and the other one to balance sheet. So,don't u think usage of it is ambiguous here. Kindly help


Please check this post: https://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2014/1 ... -sc-myths/
It gives a detailed explanation of the point raised using this very question.
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A. Once the computer generates the financial reports, they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, so named because it demonstrates that every department’s accounting elements balance. Incorrect Usage of they is incorrect. Also financial reports cannot be used to program...changes the meaning completely
B. Once the computer generates the financial reports, it is then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, named such because it demonstrated the balance of every department’s accounting elements. Named such usage is awkward
C. Once the computer generates the financial reports they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, which demonstrates the balance of every department’s accounting elements. Incorrect Usage of they is incorrect
D. Once the financial reports are generated by the computer, it is then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, so named because it demonstrates the balance of every department’s accounting elements. Correct even though usage is passive but grammatically and logically the sentence is correct
E. Once the financial reports are generated by the computer, they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, named such because it demonstrates that every department’s accounting elements are in balance Incorrect Usage of they is incorrect
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VeritasKarishma wrote:
sunny91 wrote:
VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:

Responding to a pm:

Note that (A), (C) and (E) are wrong in their usage of 'they'.
'financial reports' cannot program a balance sheet and hence the pronoun used must refer back to the computer. Hence, we need to use 'it'.
In (B) and (D), we use 'it' (singular) which refers back to the computer (singular). It cannot refer back to financial reports (plural) and hence there is no ambiguity in pronoun-antecedent connection.

The problem with (B) is 'named such...'. The correct construct is 'so named ...'
We do prefer active over passive but that has no role to play here. Sentences in passive are not incorrect. It is just a preference we have for active because it is stronger. If there is an error in the sentence that uses active voice and the sentence using passive voice is error-free, you must choose the sentence using passive voice.


Hi Karishma,
in choice D, we have two it. One that refers to the compute and the other one to balance sheet. So,don't u think usage of it is ambiguous here. Kindly help


Please check this post: https://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2014/1 ... -sc-myths/
It gives a detailed explanation of the point raised using this very question.


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Following is an excerpt from Manhattan SC Chapter pronouns

In theory, every pronoun in a well-written sentence should clearly refer to one antecedent. In particular,
every it and its in one sentence must refer to the same singular antecedent. Likewise, every they, them,
and their must refer to the same plural antecedent. Otherwise, unacceptable confusion reigns.

Example: Researchers claim to have developed new "nano-papers" incorporating tiny cellulose fibers, which THEY allege give THEM the strength of cast iron.

What nouns do they and them refer to? You might assume that they refers to researchers (who claim
something) and that them refers to new “nano-papers? However, this confusing switch of reference is
not permitted by the GMAT.

Resolve the confusion by recasting the sentence. One solution is to eliminate they and them altogether.

Right: Researchers claim to have developed new "nano-papers" incorporating tiny cellulose fibers, which give THESE MATERIALS the strength of cast
iron, according to the researchers.

It seems veritas and Manhattan materials have some contradiction
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atulg14 wrote:
VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
akhil911 wrote:
Once the computer generates the financial reports, they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, so named because it demonstrates that every department’s accounting elements are in balance.


A. Once the computer generates the financial reports, they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, so named because it demonstrates that every department’s accounting elements balance.
B. Once the computer generates the financial reports, it is then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, named such because it demonstrated the balance of every department’s accounting elements.
C. Once the computer generates the financial reports they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, which demonstrates the balance of every department’s accounting elements.
D. Once the financial reports are generated by the computer, it is then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, so named because it demonstrates the balance of every department’s accounting elements.
E. Once the financial reports are generated by the computer, they are then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, named such because it demonstrates that every department’s accounting elements are in balance.


Responding to a pm:

Note that (A), (C) and (E) are wrong in their usage of 'they'.
'financial reports' cannot program a balance sheet and hence the pronoun used must refer back to the computer. Hence, we need to use 'it'.
In (B) and (D), we use 'it' (singular) which refers back to the computer (singular). It cannot refer back to financial reports (plural) and hence there is no ambiguity in pronoun-antecedent connection.

The problem with (B) is 'named such...'. The correct construct is 'so named ...'
We do prefer active over passive but that has no role to play here. Sentences in passive are not incorrect. It is just a preference we have for active because it is stronger. If there is an error in the sentence that uses active voice and the sentence using passive voice is error-free, you must choose the sentence using passive voice.



I have a doubt -

D. Once the financial reports are generated by the computer, it is then used to program a company-wide balance sheet, so named because it demonstrates the balance of every department’s accounting elements.

"D" uses the same pronoun "it" twice but each refers to different noun (computer & balance sheet). Isn't it a pronoun ambiguity mistake?



This is also my problem with D, every "it" should refer to the same antecedent in the sentence as far as I know. Can anyone from the verbal experts explain to me why this is not an issue here?
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Prateek176 wrote:
Following is an excerpt from Manhattan SC Chapter pronouns

In theory, every pronoun in a well-written sentence should clearly refer to one antecedent. In particular,
every it and its in one sentence must refer to the same singular antecedent. Likewise, every they, them,
and their must refer to the same plural antecedent. Otherwise, unacceptable confusion reigns.

Example: Researchers claim to have developed new "nano-papers" incorporating tiny cellulose fibers, which THEY allege give THEM the strength of cast iron.

What nouns do they and them refer to? You might assume that they refers to researchers (who claim
something) and that them refers to new “nano-papers? However, this confusing switch of reference is
not permitted by the GMAT.

Resolve the confusion by recasting the sentence. One solution is to eliminate they and them altogether.

Right: Researchers claim to have developed new "nano-papers" incorporating tiny cellulose fibers, which give THESE MATERIALS the strength of cast
iron, according to the researchers.

It seems veritas and Manhattan materials have some contradiction


Please note that there is no contradiction. This is what the post says:
"A pronoun, say ‘it’, can refer to two different objects in a single sentence, but it should not refer to two different objects in the same clause since that creates ambiguity."
In the original question, "it" refers to two different objects in two different clauses. This is fine.

The incorrect sentence you quoted above has the pronouns referring to different things in the same clause. That is a problem.
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