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Updated on: 13 Jan 2022, 02:33
Originally posted by thangvietnam on 17 Nov 2020, 09:08.
Last edited by thangvietnam on 13 Jan 2022, 02:33, edited 1 time in total.
Last edited by thangvietnam on 13 Jan 2022, 02:33, edited 1 time in total.
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I summarize.
prohibit+that-clause is wrong. choice d is wrong
"prohibit somebody from doing " is idiomatic. choice a is wrong. we dont need to know that "prohibit X from doing" require X is person.
"directive +that clause" require subjuctive, so, choice e is wrong
one more thing
"directive+that-clause" make "that-clause' a content clause. that-clause as content clause goes with relatively a few noun. most nouns with go with relative clause or doing. so, we have reason to suspect that " directive + that-clause" is wrong.
content that-clause reports a proposition. this mean we need an idea with subject and verb after noun. if the noun is subject of action, we dont use content that-clause.
here , "directive" prohibit and is subject of "prohibit'. so , "directive prohibiting" is correct.
if we use "directive that the chemical be prohibited from being sold" . we dont know what prohibit . the correct meaning is that the directive prohibit but not other thing prohibit. so, "directive that..." is wrong in choice E.
this process of analysing to realize whether content that-clause is correct is hard and can not be done in the test room. but if we see a split between noun+doing and noun+content that-clause, we ask ourself which perform action of doing, and we could realize that content that-clause is wrong. this is TAKEAWAY.
prohibit+that-clause is wrong. choice d is wrong
"prohibit somebody from doing " is idiomatic. choice a is wrong. we dont need to know that "prohibit X from doing" require X is person.
"directive +that clause" require subjuctive, so, choice e is wrong
one more thing
"directive+that-clause" make "that-clause' a content clause. that-clause as content clause goes with relatively a few noun. most nouns with go with relative clause or doing. so, we have reason to suspect that " directive + that-clause" is wrong.
content that-clause reports a proposition. this mean we need an idea with subject and verb after noun. if the noun is subject of action, we dont use content that-clause.
here , "directive" prohibit and is subject of "prohibit'. so , "directive prohibiting" is correct.
if we use "directive that the chemical be prohibited from being sold" . we dont know what prohibit . the correct meaning is that the directive prohibit but not other thing prohibit. so, "directive that..." is wrong in choice E.
this process of analysing to realize whether content that-clause is correct is hard and can not be done in the test room. but if we see a split between noun+doing and noun+content that-clause, we ask ourself which perform action of doing, and we could realize that content that-clause is wrong. this is TAKEAWAY.
09 Jan 2022, 09:09
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Dear GMAT expert - could you by any chance please help by giving a full walkthrough of this question? Conscious that there is a reply here already, but something more detailed would be extremely helpful!!
Q1: could you give any more color on whether the command subjunctive here is correct / incorrect? Answer choice A and B for example.
Q2: Answer choice C vs D. Could you give any more details on why "prohibit that any X is sold" is incorrect in D, but "prohibiting the sale of X" is correct in C? Any other material on this?
Q3: Even though "prohibiting" is the correct answer choice, could you share your viewpoint on, in general, if an "ing-verb" (prohibiting) or "that" as a restrictive clause would be preferred in such a case?
Big thank you!!
Best regards,
NorwayGMAT2020
Q1: could you give any more color on whether the command subjunctive here is correct / incorrect? Answer choice A and B for example.
Q2: Answer choice C vs D. Could you give any more details on why "prohibit that any X is sold" is incorrect in D, but "prohibiting the sale of X" is correct in C? Any other material on this?
Q3: Even though "prohibiting" is the correct answer choice, could you share your viewpoint on, in general, if an "ing-verb" (prohibiting) or "that" as a restrictive clause would be preferred in such a case?
Big thank you!!
Best regards,
NorwayGMAT2020
09 Jan 2022, 16:22
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NorwayGMAT2020
Hello!
I'm happy to answer these questions!
Q1
Command subjunctive is totally appropriate if you're going to use directive that. Usually if there's a "bossy" or transfer-of-will word (direct, mandate, demand, require, recommend, etc.) followed by a that, command subjunctive is the appropriate verb mood in the following clause. While I would question whether directive that is idiomatically correct here, without being sure, I would look for other reasons to eliminate (A) and (B), and I definitely wouldn't eliminate (A) and (B) due to their use of the command subjunctive.
In case it's helpful, I would eliminate (A) on the basis of prohibited from sale, as it represents a meaning issue: it's the sale that should be prohibited or the manufacturers that should be prohibited from selling the chemical, not the chemical that should itself be prohibited. I would eliminate (B) on the basis of the misplaced modifier that was banned on medical grounds in the United States, which for grammatical reasons must appear closer to chemical, its actual target, to work properly.
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Answer (D) has two problems:
- 1. Prohibiting that is not usually considered idiomatically correct by the GMAT--it strongly prefers some version of prohibit from.
2. Even if it weren't ruled out on idiomatic grounds, prohibit that would still require the command subjunctive, meaning that the is would have to change to be for it to work.
It's important to note that both prohibit from and the generally incorrect prohibit that get used when there's a person/entity that's being prohibited and an action from which that person/entity is being prohibited. For instance, an answer that gave us ...prohibiting manufacturers from selling any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States would be correct. Answer (C) dodges these idiomatic concerns by neither using that nor including a verb or verbal (such as selling) that would've required a from.
Q3
I know I answered this obliquely in Q1, but essentially, I'm not totally convinced that directive that is idiomatically correct. Direct or directing that, in which we have a verb/verbal rather than a noun before that, would be idiomatically acceptable (and would require the command subjunctive afterward). Because directive is a noun, though, you can use any noun modifier after it (such as the -ing verbal prohibiting). Practically speaking, though, my policy in dealing with SC questions is to avoid all idiom issues until there's no escape from them. The GMAT is not super consistent about idioms, and even as a native speaker, I don't trust myself to get idioms right all the time, so if I can rely on just about anything else, I'm happy to take it and ideally avoid the whole idiom issue (which you can almost always do).
I hope that helps!
So use other ways to eliminate options; try using idiom as a last resort.
