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Is “in that” always wrong?
What does “in that” actually mean?
Also, when can “in that” be correctly used in GMAT?

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Public service announcement: trying to memorize which constructions are not allowed on SC questions will be a very painful and not terribly helpful exercise. :)

"In that," may feel like a goofy construction, but it isn't always wrong. For instance:

    "The kids asked Tim which toilet he preferred, and then proceeded to dunk his head in that one."

There's nothing wrong with this sentence. It's not the type of construction you were probably thinking about, but it's completely fine.

Also, the phrase "in that" could be used to convey "in the sense that." My ear doesn't like it, but I'm certainly not comfortable declaring that it's a definitive error.

The takeaway: do not blindly eliminate answer choices that contain "in that." If you're not sure whether it's acceptable in a given context, try not to use it as a decision point.

If you do find yourself evaluating "in that," treat it the same way you would anything else you encounter in an SC question: if it creates a confusing meaning, and there's an alternative that's better/clearer, go for the alternative. If it seems to make sense in context, don't treat it as an error, and look for other decision points. Simple as that.

I hope that helps!
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Pablo Picasso, the late Spanish painter, credited African art with having had a strong influence on his work.

(A) with having had
(B) for its having
(C) to have had
(D) for having
(E) in that it had

This question solely tests you on idioms. (GMAT no longer does so)

The sentence is saying that African art has had a strong influence on Picasso’s work.
Picasso is giving credit to African art.

When “credited” is used as a verb, it cannot be followed by “for”.

“Credit” can be followed by “for” when it is used as a noun. Look at the sentence below-
Picasso gave (verb) credit (noun) to African art for having had a strong influence on his work.

Credited (someone/ something) with something is the correct idiom to be used in this context.

Picasso credited African art with having had a strong influence on his work.
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Pablo Picasso, the late Spanish painter, credited African art with having had a strong influence on his work.
(A) with having had
THe addition of with is right along with having had therefore let us hang on to it

(B) for its having
it's usage is not required therefore out

(C) to have had
having should be the right usage therefore out

(D) for having
with is the right usage therefore out

(E) in that it had
that usage is unnecessary therefore out

Therefore IMO A
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Pablo Picasso, the late Spanish painter, credited African art with having had a strong influence on his work.

(A) with having had
(B) for its having
(C) to have had
(D) for having
(E) in that it had

A : seem not very good but let's test the others ones first
B : as in the original sentence it seems we talking about african art "having", so could be plural right ? therefore use of its is inapropriate as it seems to refer african art and "its" is singular so B is wrong. Plus the tense here seems messy, we talking about the "late" pablo picasso, why the underlined portion is in the present tense ? B is out.
C : idiom is simply wrong
D : for having is ok but again the tense used here is wrong, should use the past tense
D : in that it had : the construction is not very clear + credited in is simply wrong

The least worse is A by elimination, plus A use the past tense to refer to the last Picasso no longer around
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Pablo Picasso, the late Spanish painter, credited African art with having had a strong influence on his work.

(A) with having had
(B) for its having
(C) to have had
(D) for having
(E) in that it had

Choice A is the best. In this sentence, where credit(ed) is used as a verb, the idiom in English is to credit something with having had some effect. Thus only choice A is idiomatic. Both for (in B and D) and to (in C) can be used idiomatically when credit is a noun, as in “Picasso gave credit to African art for having had a strong influence on his work.” The verb from having had is used appropriately in choice A to indicate action that occurred prior to action expressed in the simple past tense – that is, to indicate that African art had influenced Picasso before he credited it with having done so.

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credited with is the right idiom
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Pablo Picasso, the late Spanish painter, credited African art with having had a strong influence on his work.
(A) with having had
The correct usage in this case when a noun is being credited and credit is used as a verb is credited X with Y. So this choice looks good!

(B) for its having
Credit for is when a person, situation, object is assigned credit for something - Verb + Credit for + noun/gerund - ex: John took credit for bringing back the good times. In this question credit itself is used as a verb so this is the incorrect usage.

(C) to have had
Since credit is used as a verb, this construction is incorrect. Credit + to is used when credit is being assigned to a noun - A noun or X credit to Y - ex: John’s recovery is a credit to the fabulous healthcare team at the children’s hospital.

(D) for having
Same issue as B.

(E) in that it had

Credit in is never the correct construction.
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GMATNinja GMATNinja2 daagh sir please share your explanation on this question. Thanks

Whoa, I haven't seen this one in a while. If I'm not mistaken, this one didn't appear in any editions after the 10th, and my bet is that GMAC removed this question for a reason: it tests a pretty arbitrary idiom, and that's not cool. While idioms certainly still appear on the test, it's rare that they'd be pretty much the only thing tested. Again, there are 25,000 idioms in English, and they aren't fun to memorize. More on that here: https://gmatclub.com/forum/experts-topi ... 41848.html.

Anyway, our choice is between credited with/for/to/in.

"Credited + in + that" is never a valid construction. Eliminate E.

"Credit + for" would only be valid if "credit" were used as a noun: "Amy received credit for her insightful presentation on the mating habits of Australian bowerbirds." In our example, "credited" is used as a verb, so we can eliminate B and D.

"Credit + to" would only be valid if a noun follows. "Management gave credit to Dan for his indispensable contributions." Or: "The improvement in productivity was credited to Melissa." In C, "credited" is followed by the verb phrase, "have had," so "to" is incorrect. C is dead.

That would leave us with A. "Credited + with" is appropriate if an action follows.

And for what it's worth, I would devote very little brain space to this, since the question is arguably obsolete. :) And in general, if you're unsure about an idiom, look for other issues!

Hi GMATNinja, Can you please help with my doubt:

While I understand that credited for is used for a noun - isnt art also a noun? Here pablo also credits African art for influencing..." In that case how can we eliminate options D?

TIA
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GMATNinja GMATNinja2 daagh sir please share your explanation on this question. Thanks

Whoa, I haven't seen this one in a while. If I'm not mistaken, this one didn't appear in any editions after the 10th, and my bet is that GMAC removed this question for a reason: it tests a pretty arbitrary idiom, and that's not cool. While idioms certainly still appear on the test, it's rare that they'd be pretty much the only thing tested. Again, there are 25,000 idioms in English, and they aren't fun to memorize. More on that here: https://gmatclub.com/forum/experts-topi ... 41848.html.

Anyway, our choice is between credited with/for/to/in.

"Credited + in + that" is never a valid construction. Eliminate E.

"Credit + for" would only be valid if "credit" were used as a noun: "Amy received credit for her insightful presentation on the mating habits of Australian bowerbirds." In our example, "credited" is used as a verb, so we can eliminate B and D.

"Credit + to" would only be valid if a noun follows. "Management gave credit to Dan for his indispensable contributions." Or: "The improvement in productivity was credited to Melissa." In C, "credited" is followed by the verb phrase, "have had," so "to" is incorrect. C is dead.

That would leave us with A. "Credited + with" is appropriate if an action follows.

And for what it's worth, I would devote very little brain space to this, since the question is arguably obsolete. :) And in general, if you're unsure about an idiom, look for other issues!

Hi GMATNinja, Can you please help with my doubt:

While I understand that credited for is used for a noun - isnt art also a noun? Here pablo also credits African art for influencing..." In that case how can we eliminate options D?

TIA
What we meant in our earlier post about (D) is that "credit for" would be okay (where credit is a noun), but "credited for" is not okay (where credited is a verb).

In other words, we were talking about credit vs credited, not the thing being credited.

And again, this question is super old and doesn't test anything useful, so you probably shouldn't spend much time on it. :)
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