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Sanjana jogged uphill for a while at an average speed of 3 miles per hour, then jogged downhill for a while at an average speed of 8 miles per hour. If Sanjana jogged the uphill and downhill stretches in a total of 40 minutes at an average speed of 4 miles per hour, how far did she jog uphill?

A. 1 mile
B. 1 1/3 miles
C. 1 1/2 miles
D. 1 3/5 miles
E. 1 2/3 miles

my question is in such problems why cant we use the formula for average speed s1*s2/s1+s2
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piyush272 wrote:
Sanjana jogged uphill for a while at an average speed of 3 miles per hour, then jogged downhill for a while at an average speed of 8 miles per hour. If Sanjana jogged the uphill and downhill stretches in a total of 40 minutes at an average speed of 4 miles per hour, how far did she jog uphill?

a. 1 mile
b. 1 1/3 miles
c. 1 1/2 miles
d. 1 3/5 miles
e. 1 2/3 miles

my question is in such problems why cant we use the formula for average speed s1*s2/s1+s2

Let the uphill distance be D1 with speed S1=3miles/hr and downhill distance be D2 with speed 8 miles/hr

D1/3+D2/8=40/60 hrs
=>8D1+3D2=16------Eq(1)

also given she travelled uphill and downhill at an avg of 4 miles/hr
=>total distance/Avg speed=40/60hrs
=>(D1+D2)/4=2/3
=>3D1+3D2=8-------Eq(2)
solving equations 1 and 2
D1=8/5 mile and D2=16/15 miles
=>D1=1 3/5 miles

the formula for average speed s1*s2/s1+s2........can be used only when uphill distance and downhill distances are same which is not in this case..

Hope it is helpful
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06 Oct 2013, 06:49
piyush272 wrote:
Sanjana jogged uphill for a while at an average speed of 3 miles per hour, then jogged downhill for a while at an average speed of 8 miles per hour. If Sanjana jogged the uphill and downhill stretches in a total of 40 minutes at an average speed of 4 miles per hour, how far did she jog uphill?

a. 1 mile
b. 1 1/3 miles
c. 1 1/2 miles
d. 1 3/5 miles
e. 1 2/3 miles

my question is in such problems why cant we use the formula for average speed s1*s2/s1+s2

Here we can't use the S1*S2/ (S1+S2) formula because the uphill and downhill distances are not same.
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piyush272 wrote:
Sanjana jogged uphill for a while at an average speed of 3 miles per hour, then jogged downhill for a while at an average speed of 8 miles per hour. If Sanjana jogged the uphill and downhill stretches in a total of 40 minutes at an average speed of 4 miles per hour, how far did she jog uphill?

a. 1 mile
b. 1 1/3 miles
c. 1 1/2 miles
d. 1 3/5 miles
e. 1 2/3 miles

my question is in such problems why cant we use the formula for average speed s1*s2/s1+s2

Let the uphill distance be D1 with speed S1=3miles/hr and downhill distance be D2 with speed 8 miles/hr

D1/3+D2/8=40/60 hrs
=>8D1+3D2=16------Eq(1)

also given she travelled uphill and downhill at an avg of 4 miles/hr
=>total distance/Avg speed=40/60hrs
=>(D1+D2)/4=2/3
=>3D1+3D2=8-------Eq(2)
solving equations 1 and 2
D1=8/5 mile and D2=16/15 miles
=>D1=1 3/5 miles

the formula for average speed s1*s2/s1+s2........can be used only when uphill distance and downhill distances are same which is not in this case..

Hope it is helpful

But aren't the uphill and downhill distances actually the same?
Are we assuming is the same hill no?

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27 Nov 2013, 00:45
jlgdr wrote:
kusena wrote:
piyush272 wrote:
Sanjana jogged uphill for a while at an average speed of 3 miles per hour, then jogged downhill for a while at an average speed of 8 miles per hour. If Sanjana jogged the uphill and downhill stretches in a total of 40 minutes at an average speed of 4 miles per hour, how far did she jog uphill?

a. 1 mile
b. 1 1/3 miles
c. 1 1/2 miles
d. 1 3/5 miles
e. 1 2/3 miles

my question is in such problems why cant we use the formula for average speed s1*s2/s1+s2

Let the uphill distance be D1 with speed S1=3miles/hr and downhill distance be D2 with speed 8 miles/hr

D1/3+D2/8=40/60 hrs
=>8D1+3D2=16------Eq(1)

also given she travelled uphill and downhill at an avg of 4 miles/hr
=>total distance/Avg speed=40/60hrs
=>(D1+D2)/4=2/3
=>3D1+3D2=8-------Eq(2)
solving equations 1 and 2
D1=8/5 mile and D2=16/15 miles
=>D1=1 3/5 miles

the formula for average speed s1*s2/s1+s2........can be used only when uphill distance and downhill distances are same which is not in this case..

Hope it is helpful

But aren't the uphill and downhill distances actually the same?
Are we assuming is the same hill no?

Cheers
J

Question says average speed of both the journeys is 4 miles/hr
Where as uphill speed 3miles/hr and downhill speed 8 miles/hr
If both uphill and down hill distances are same then the avg speed will be (v1*v2)/(v1+v2)=8*3/(8+3)=24/11 miles/hr
which is not equal to 4 miles/hr.hence the the distances traveled uphill and downhill aren't the same.
Hope its clear
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piyush272 wrote:
Sanjana jogged uphill for a while at an average speed of 3 miles per hour, then jogged downhill for a while at an average speed of 8 miles per hour. If Sanjana jogged the uphill and downhill stretches in a total of 40 minutes at an average speed of 4 miles per hour, how far did she jog uphill?

A. 1 mile
B. 1 1/3 miles
C. 1 1/2 miles
D. 1 3/5 miles
E. 1 2/3 miles

my question is in such problems why cant we use the formula for average speed s1*s2/s1+s2

Easy question

3x + 8y / x+y = 4
x + y = 40

So solving y = 8
x = 32

So D is out correct answer choice

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jlgdr wrote:
piyush272 wrote:
Sanjana jogged uphill for a while at an average speed of 3 miles per hour, then jogged downhill for a while at an average speed of 8 miles per hour. If Sanjana jogged the uphill and downhill stretches in a total of 40 minutes at an average speed of 4 miles per hour, how far did she jog uphill?

A. 1 mile
B. 1 1/3 miles
C. 1 1/2 miles
D. 1 3/5 miles
E. 1 2/3 miles

my question is in such problems why cant we use the formula for average speed s1*s2/s1+s2

Easy question

3x + 8y / x+y = 4
x + y = 40

So solving y = 8
x = 32

So D is out correct answer choice

Hope it helps
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Just found another way of doing it with weighted average.

Let's call x the uphill distance and y the downhill distance

Also we know that average speed is 4mph.

So x is at 3mph and y is at 8mph. By differentials

x = 4y. So if total time is 40 minutes then the time spent uphill must be 4 times that spend downhill

Therefore x = 32 min. Now, (3)(32/60)=1 3/5

Hope you enjoyed
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I used weighted avg to get uphill to downhill ratio. U/D = 4/1. i.e. U = 4D.
Uphill to total will be 4/5.

Does 4/5 ratio only apply to the total time OR does it also apply to the total distance.
I mean, can the total distance also be split in this ratio?

I got total dist as 8/3 miles. (total time 40/60 * avg speed 4mph)
will the uphill distance be 4/5 of 8/3...It does not seem so...

Could somebody pls clarify whether 4/5 ratio applies only to the time and why should it not be applied to the total distance?

Thanks

PS - In the above post we have "if total time is 40 minutes then the time spent uphill must be 4 times that spend downhill".
I would like to know whether the same ratio applies to total distance also or just the time.
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03 Oct 2015, 01:15
add times to get 2/3 hours (40min.) and consider full distance (2/3)*4=8/3:

x/3 + (8/3)-x)/8=2/3

5x=8

x=8/5 => 1+3/5

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let D=uphill distance
D/3 hours=uphill time
(4 mph avge speed)(2/3 hour total time)=8/3 miles total distance
8/3-D=downhill miles
(8/3-D)/8=downhill time
D/3+(8/3-D)/8=2/3
D=8/5➡1+3/5 miles
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i used only 1 variable to solve this question...
uphill 3mph - time 2/3-x - distance 2-3x
downhill 8mph - time x - distance 8x

total distance 8/3 miles

so 2-3x+8x=8/3
5x=8/3 - 6/3
5x = 2/3
x=2/15

now, distance uphill is 2-3x
2-2/5 = 1 and 3/5

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let t=uphill time
3t+8(2/3-t)=8/3 total miles
t=8/15 hours
(3 mph)(8/15 hours)=1 3/5 uphill miles
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Apply mixture and alligation method.
Please refer the attached diagram.
time spent at the rate of 3 miles/hr: time spent at the rate of 8 miles/hr = 4:1
So reqd time = 4/5*40 = 32 minutes

So distance traveled = 32/60 * 3 = 8/5 = 1 3/5 miles.
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D=Distance
R=Rate
T=Time
T1= Time 1 = Uphill
T2 = Time 2 = Downtown
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chetan2u, VeritasKarishma, Why can we not apply weighted average ratio of 4/5 on total distance traveled (ie-8/3 miles) directly instead of applying it on total time taken of 40 minutes and then multiplying it to the uphill speed?
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Sanjana jogged uphill for a while at an average speed of 3 miles per hour, then jogged downhill for a while at an average speed of 8 miles per hour. If Sanjana jogged the uphill and downhill stretches in a total of 40 minutes at an average speed of 4 miles per hour, how far did she jog uphill?

A. 1 mile
B. 1 1/3 miles
C. 1 1/2 miles
D. 1 3/5 miles
E. 1 2/3 miles

Let's start with a "Word Equation"
(distance traveled uphill) + (distance traveled downhill) = TOTAL DISTANCE

Let t = the time spent jogging UPHILL (in hours)
The total travel time = 40 minutes = 2/3 HOURS
So, 2/3 - t = the time spent jogging DOWNHILL (in hours)

Distance = (speed)(time)
So, we can rewrite our word equation as: 3t + 8(2/3 - t) = (4)(2/3)
Expand to get: 3t + 16/3 - 8t = 8/3
Subtract 16/3 from both sides to get: 3t - 8t = -8/3
Simplify to get: -5t = -8/3
Solve: t = (-8/3)/(-5) = 8/15
So, Sanjana spent 8/15 hours traveling UPHILL

How far did Sanjana jog uphill?
Distance = (speed)(time)
So distance = (3)(8/15) = 8/5 = 1 3/5 miles

Answer: D

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piyush272 wrote:
Sanjana jogged uphill for a while at an average speed of 3 miles per hour, then jogged downhill for a while at an average speed of 8 miles per hour. If Sanjana jogged the uphill and downhill stretches in a total of 40 minutes at an average speed of 4 miles per hour, how far did she jog uphill?

A. 1 mile
B. 1 1/3 miles
C. 1 1/2 miles
D. 1 3/5 miles
E. 1 2/3 miles

We can let t = the number of hours Sanjana jogged uphill. Since 40 minutes = 2/3 of an hour, the time she jogged downhill was (2/3 - t) hours. We can create the equation:

3t + 8(2/3 - t) = 4(2/3)

3t + 16/3 - 8t = 8/3

-5t = -8/3

t = 8/15

Since she jogged 8/15 of an hour uphill at an average speed of 3 mph, she jogged 8/15 x 3 = 8/5 = 1 3/5 miles.

Answer: D
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kusena wrote:
piyush272 wrote:
Sanjana jogged uphill for a while at an average speed of 3 miles per hour, then jogged downhill for a while at an average speed of 8 miles per hour. If Sanjana jogged the uphill and downhill stretches in a total of 40 minutes at an average speed of 4 miles per hour, how far did she jog uphill?

a. 1 mile
b. 1 1/3 miles
c. 1 1/2 miles
d. 1 3/5 miles
e. 1 2/3 miles

my question is in such problems why cant we use the formula for average speed s1*s2/s1+s2

Let the uphill distance be D1 with speed S1=3miles/hr and downhill distance be D2 with speed 8 miles/hr

D1/3+D2/8=40/60 hrs
=>8D1+3D2=16------Eq(1)

also given she travelled uphill and downhill at an avg of 4 miles/hr
=>total distance/Avg speed=40/60hrs
=>(D1+D2)/4=2/3
=>3D1+3D2=8-------Eq(2)
solving equations 1 and 2
D1=8/5 mile and D2=16/15 miles
=>D1=1 3/5 miles

the formula for average speed s1*s2/s1+s2........can be used only when uphill distance and downhill distances are same which is not in this case..

Hope it is helpful

How did you get 8D1+2D2=16? Wouldn't 40/60 simplify just to 2/3?
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