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rishabhmishra Not every noun is the subject of a verb. At its core (stripped of most modifiers), the sentence looks like this: Scientists have discovered the organism, a fungus. "A fungus" is just modifying "organism" and does not take a verb. This is common. Notice that none of the italicized nouns in the sentences below are the subjects of verbs. They are all objects (something acts on them) or modifiers of other nouns.

I just got my first dog, a beagle.
I want cookies, ice cream, and pie.
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Shraddha - Hi egmat - could you please confirm, why the initial part in bold below is not a initial modifier that can be removed ?

I believe the big issue i found was -- I thought the bold could be stripped away from the core of the sentence ...Turns out, the bold is indeed part of the core of the sentence ...Once i realized that, then I could get the right answer

Is it because, the initial sentence is a clause (has a subject /verb)

Can i infer that initial modifiers that are clauses (have a sub/verb) and dont have words like (although / because of / even though .....) == those are always part of the core of the sentence ?


Scientists have recently discovered what could be the largest and oldest living organism on Earth, a giant
fungus that is an interwoven filigree of mushrooms and rootlike tentacles spawned by a single fertilized
spore some 10,000 years ago and extending for more than 30 acres in the soil of a Michigan forest.

(A) extending
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jabhatta@umail.iu.edu It's more than that. Because the first part is an independent clause (it doesn't start with something like "While" or "Because"), it isn't a modifier at all. It contains the main subject and verb of the sentence. Notice that it could stand alone by itself if we placed a period after "Earth." That's never true of modifiers. The part after the comma is all one long noun phrase describing the fungus. After the word "fungus," it's all modifiers. There's no verb there at all.

So the underlined part is actually the essential part of the sentence, and the non-underlined part is one long stretch of disposable modifiers!
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A is the correct answer. This question is about the use of present vs past participle.
present participle is used to denote a present condition that still prevails
past participle is used to denote a completed action, usually in a passive mood

The sentence is definitely talking about the filigree:

filigree [of mushrooms and rootlike tentacles] spawned by a single fertilized spore some 10,000 years ago and extending for more than 30 acres in the soil of a Michigan forest

What is b/w brackets is a prepositional phrase and remove it to make the sentence less cumbersome:

filigree spawned by a single fertilized spore some 10,000 years ago and extending for more than 30 acres in the soil of a Michigan forest

As you can see, the filigree spawned by X some 10,000 years ago. This warrants the use of past participle. Also, "spawned by" denotes passive voice which justifies the use of past participle.
As for the "extending", it is still prevailing today in the Michigan forest so you cannot use past participle "extended".

The present and past participles are used to describe the "filigree", they act as adjectives.
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How do you know it is still prevailing today? You do not have any reason to believe that except your general knowledge.
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manishk30 What do you mean? The sentence indicates that it is a currently living organism.

In any case, even if we imagined that the fungus used to extend further than it does now, there's no option for that in the answer choices. We'd need something like "which extended." Otherwise we are saying that someone or something "extended" it, and that doesn't make sense.
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Hi Manish, extending does not mean that it is still extending.

extending is a participle. Participles do not have a tense of their own. So,

i) Present participle does not mean present tense
ii) Past participle does not mean past tense

Participles derive their tense from the main verb of the sentence. For example:

i) Michael is extending his leave - Present participle extending in a sentence that is in present
ii) Michael was extending his leave - Present participle extending in a sentence that is in past

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana explicitly mentions this aspect of participles. Have attached the corresponding section of the book, for your reference.
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EducationAisle Well, that's true as a generality, but in this case it is still extending. The sentence is set in the present: the fungus is alive now, and its network currently extends through the soil of the forest.
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Hello DmitryFarber, indeed and if you read my post, I mention that the participles derive their tense from the main verb of the sentence or the clause that the participle is a part of (which is is in this sentence).
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I got this one wrong.
As pointed out by other members we are paralleling modifiers here ie -ed and -ing. Hence, A is correct.
The issue with B is that it parallel's a clause (that is...) with a modifier (extending) which is incorrect.
Please correct me if i am mistaken.
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shahMeet As you say, we want "spawned" and "extending" (two modifiers). Therefore, we don't want "spawned" and "extends" (a modifier and a verb). There's no need to go looking for other items ("that is") to match "extends" with.
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Hi egmat

Thank you for your insightful explanation.

Nevertheless, I still cannot see why are we eliminating b)

In your explanation you said "Choice B: extends: Incorrect. This is a verb and a verb cannot be parallel to a modifier." but the verb is parallel to another verb that is placed earlier in the sentence:

"A giant fungus that is"

So, in my opinion, b) would be a correct parallelism as it is logical that the two verbs are referring back to the subject Giant Fungus

What is the the giant fungus? An interwoven filigree of mushrooms and rootlike tentacles spawned by a single fertilized spore some 10,000 years ago

To what extent does it extent? It extends for more than 30 acres in the soil of a Michigan forest

In my humble opinion, it is perfectly logical that the fungus extends for more than 30 acres as it is the largest organism in Earth and that way of understanding it does not change the original meaning of the sentence (or at least creates a confusion as both the interwoven filigree and the giant fungus extend for more than 30 acres).
Therefore, I would say that b) is an answer as correct as a) is, that it fits in the original sentence as well and that, in consequence, this question should be deemed void.

What do you think? Am i missing something?
Thanks in advance for your help!
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Nevertheless, I still cannot see why are we eliminating b)

In your explanation you said "Choice B: extends: Incorrect. This is a verb and a verb cannot be parallel to a modifier." but the verb is parallel to another verb that is placed earlier in the sentence:

"A giant fungus that is"

So, in my opinion, b) would be a correct parallelism as it is logical that the two verbs are referring back to the subject Giant Fungus
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Hi BunuelWannabe, you ask a good question.

Couple of reasons that tilt the balance against B:

i) The original sentence uses extending as a modifier, deploying the following parallelism:

..an interwoven filigree of mushrooms and rootlike tentacles spawned....and extending....

So, in the original sentence, spawned and extending modify interwoven filigree of mushrooms and rootlike tentacles.

Since this seem to be a very reasonable meaning, we can interpret this as the intended meaning of the sentence. That being the case, option B is changing the intended meaning of the sentence.

ii) Option B depicts parallelism between extends and is. However, notice how far these two verbs are, from each other. Hence, if the intent indeed was for these two verbs to be parallel, then a better sentence construct would be:

...a giant fungus that is an interwoven....and that extends for ...

The repetition of that (second that in the above sentence) would have made it very clear that both that are referring to a giant fungus.
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Could someone help to explain why B is wrong?
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Hi Leonaann , please re-read this answer on the first page of the thread that explains why A is correct, as well as EducationAisle 's answer immediately above that explains why B is wrong. (I am assuming that you read the topic thread.)

Although the construction is relatively rare, it is fine for a noun [the filigree] to be described with a
-- past participle [spawned by a single fertilized spore some 10,000 years ago]
and
-- present participle [extending for more than 30 acres in the soil of a Michigan forest]

Both participles are adjectives.

If you are still confused (as are many people when they answer the question -- see the stats), please state why you think that B should be correct. Many issues that involve B have been discussed, so it's hard to know what you do not understand. If I know what confuses you, it's easier for me to answer.
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Hi Leonaann , please re-read this answer on the first page of the thread that explains why A is correct, as well as EducationAisle 's answer immediately above that explains why B is wrong. (I am assuming that you read the topic thread.)

Although the construction is relatively rare, it is fine for a noun [the filigree] to be described with a
-- past participle [spawned by a single fertilized spore some 10,000 years ago]
and
-- present participle [extending for more than 30 acres in the soil of a Michigan forest]

Both participles are adjectives.

If you are still confused (as are many people when they answer the question -- see the stats), please state why you think that B should be correct. Many issues that involve B have been discussed, so it's hard to know what you do not understand. If I know what confuses you, it's easier for me to answer.
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Please correct if I am wrong.

'Spawned' is modifying tenacles (it is acting as an adjective) and extending modifies tenacles (acting as an adjective).

The reason why extends is wrong is because this would mean that 'giant fungus is...' is parallel to 'extends' . So, here it is trying to modify the fungus instead. This parallel structure basically changes the intended meaning of the sentence right? We are supposed to modify the tenacles. That is why 'extending' is correct. Please clarify.
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Hi Leonaann , please re-read this answer on the first page of the thread that explains why A is correct, as well as EducationAisle 's answer immediately above that explains why B is wrong. (I am assuming that you read the topic thread.)

Although the construction is relatively rare, it is fine for a noun [the filigree] to be described with a
-- past participle [spawned by a single fertilized spore some 10,000 years ago]
and
-- present participle [extending for more than 30 acres in the soil of a Michigan forest]

Both participles are adjectives.

If you are still confused (as are many people when they answer the question -- see the stats), please state why you think that B should be correct. Many issues that involve B have been discussed, so it's hard to know what you do not understand. If I know what confuses you, it's easier for me to answer.
Please correct if I am wrong.

'Spawned' is modifying tenacles (it is acting as an adjective) and extending modifies tenacles (acting as an adjective).

The reason why extends is wrong is because this would mean that 'giant fungus is...' is parallel to 'extends' . So, here it is trying to modify the fungus instead. This parallel structure basically changes the intended meaning of the sentence right? We are supposed to modify the tenacles. That is why 'extending' is correct. Please clarify.
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Leonaann , you are very close! :)

• the modified noun is filigree
The sentence is in the footnote.
Both spawned and extending modify the noun filigree.

Filigree is used as a metaphor; filigree usually refers to an ornamental design in jewelry.
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There is a giant fungus. The fungus is composed of mushrooms and tentacles that are interwoven.
The interweaving looks like a filigree.

This organic filigree is both ancient (spawned by a single spore some 10,000 years ago)
and huge (extending for more than 30 acres).

• Why filigree and not tentacles?

We are taught that a past participle (a verbED) such as spawned modifies the noun immediately before it.

But spawned and extending do not modify tentacles (or more correctly, "mushrooms and . . . tentacles")
because those two things are not the main noun at which those modifiers are targeted.
Mushrooms and tentacles themselves are modifiers of the main noun, filigree.

The two participles can "reach back" over the phrase of mushrooms and rootlike tentacles
because that phrase is an essential modifier of filigree,
and essential modifiers can come between a noun and another modifier.

The "of mushrooms and tentacles" phrase tells us what this filigree thing is made of.

Even a past participle can be separated from its preceding noun by an essential modifier.
So spawned and extending modify filigree

• EXTENDS?

(1) No. The word extends is a present tense verb that cannot be matched with a past participle. :x

(2) No. The only other present tense verb is IS.
extends would have to be parallel to is (the verb for the subject "giant fungus"),
I think my previous sentence is what you meant. A verb (extends) can't be parallel to a noun (giant fungus).

If extends and is were paired as verbs, we would not have real parallelism.
We would also have a hot mess of a sentence.*

Nice work. +1 Your analysis is good, and the confusion about tentacles is a small error.


*We don't have the sentence on this page of the thread. Here it is:
Scientists have recently discovered what could be the largest and oldest living organism on Earth, a giant fungus that is an interwoven filigree of mushrooms and rootlike tentacles spawned by a single fertilized spore some 10,000 years ago and extending for more than 30 acres in the soil of a Michigan forest.
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I have a doubt..where is the Verb for the subject "a giant fungus"...isn't verb missing for this subject
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You're absolutely right: there is no verb for a giant fungus. We don't want one either, as that would lead to an error (comma splice).

Scientists have recently discovered what could be the largest and oldest living organism on Earth, a giant fungus that...

A giant fungus lets us know what the largest and oldest living organism mentioned in the first half is. If we give it a verb, there would be only a comma joining two subject-verb pairs (scientists have discovered and a giant fungus + its verb).
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My answer is B.



I have always had an issue with this type of question. What i have found in GMAt questions is that in most cases like the one here, the question talks about many properties of a single item. In the process they mix the verb tense thereby confusing the subject.



This Q is a classic example of that. The scientists discovered the Fungi, the next 2 are properties of the fungi. hence extends is correct and not extending



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Hi,

Scientists have recently discovered what could be the largest and oldest living organism on Earth, a giant fungus that is an interwoven filigree of mushrooms and rootlike tentacles spawned by a single fertilized spore some 10,000 years ago and extending for more than 30 acres in the soil of a Michigan forest.



It is imperative to understand the meaning of the sentence in order to get the correct answer. So let’s do that first. Scientists have recently discovered something that could be the largest and oldest organism on Earth. So what have they discovered? They have a discovered a giant fungus which has qualities that make the scientists believe that this fungus could be the largest and oldest living organism. What are these qualities? This giant fungus is an interwoven filigree of mushrooms and rootlike tentacles. This fungus has been spawned by a single fertilized spore some 10,000 years ago. So this is why the scientists think that this fungus is the oldest living organism. The other quality that the fungus has is that it extends for more than 30 acres. This is the reason why the scientists think this fungus to be the largest living organism



After we have understood the meaning, let us evaluate the errors in the sentence. Now notice “spawned” is not verb here. It is verb-ed modifier that is presenting the quality of the giant fungus. In the very same way, “extending” is a verb-ing modifier that is also presenting another quality of the fungus. Hence, verb-ed modifier “spawned” and the verb-ing modifier “extending” are parallel to each other. Hence this sentence is correct as it is.

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Choice A: extending: Correct.

Choice B: extends: Incorrect. This is a verb and a verb cannot be parallel to a modifier.

Choice C: extended: Incorrect. We again have a verb in the past tense that cannot be parallel to a modifier. Also the fungus is still extending. It is still there. So use of past tense is wrong anyway.

Choice D: it extended: Incorrect. Same error as in Choice D.

Choice E: is extending: Incorrect. This is a verb and a verb cannot be parallel to a modifier.

Hope this helps to understand why choice A is the correct answer.
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Hi Shraddha,

Thanks for the explanation. A small doubt though.
Verb-ed modifiers normally modify the preceding noun, right? So it should ideally modify the noun 'tentacles' but it seems to be modifying filigree. Is it correct to assume in cases like these that the verb-ed modifier ignores the preceding noun if it's part of a prepositional phrase and goes back referring to the actual noun(tentacles)

Please help me understand this.

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dyogendrarao That's correct. As generis discusses above, noun modifiers can sometimes jump over other modifiers to refer to a previous noun as long as the meaning is very clear.
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