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Six married couples are standing in a room.
If 4 people are chosen at random, find the prob. that exactly one married couple is there among the 4 people.
how dyo solve this? id say:
we have to select only one couple so:
1c6*2c10/4c12=6/11... here i would have, however, combinations with
2 couples, so i have to substract these
2 couples=2c6/4c12=1/33
so answer=6/111/33=17/33...
but the official answer is 16/33 (in fact if i try to solve it by 1. finding the prob that 0 couples are among the 4 people: 12*10*8*6/4!/(4c12)=16/33; 2. finding the prob that 2 couples are among the 4 people: 2c6/4c12=1/33; and 3. prob 1 couple=1prob 0 couples  prob 2 couples=116/331/33=16/33; i get the right anwer) ...
aaargh!!!... what am i missing???... pls help. thx, j



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my approach
FAVORABLE: a fourposition group _ _ _ _
1. take any pair and fill two places (6 ways)
2. take another person to fill the third place (5 pairs=10 ways)
3. take the last person (8 ways, for we cannot take a spose of the foregoing person)
TOTAL: 12C4
(6*10*8)/(9*5*11)=32/33
I also made a mistake, but where?



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another way i tried to solve this problem was the following:
for the first person i have 12 possibilities
for the second (assuming first two people form couple), only 1
for the third, i have 10 possibilities
for the fourth, i have 8 possibilities
so number of arrangement with one couple=(12*1*10*8)/4!
this yields ((12*1*10*8)/4!)/(12c4/4!)=8/99
aaargh



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i think i know where the problem is:
((12*1)/2!)*((10*8)/2!)/12c4=16/33 (right answer)
note the difference with ((12*1*10*8)/4!)/12c4?
however, i cant figure out why is the first approach right...



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Re: probability problem [#permalink]
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javropu wrote: Six married couples are standing in a room. If 4 people are chosen at random, find the prob. that exactly one married couple is there among the 4 people.
how dyo solve this? id say: we have to select only one couple so: 1c6*2c10/4c12=6/11... here i would have, however, combinations with 2 couples, so i have to substract these 2 couples=2c6/4c12=1/33
so answer=6/111/33=17/33...
but the official answer is 16/33 (in fact if i try to solve it by 1. finding the prob that 0 couples are among the 4 people: 12*10*8*6/4!/(4c12)=16/33; 2. finding the prob that 2 couples are among the 4 people: 2c6/4c12=1/33; and 3. prob 1 couple=1prob 0 couples  prob 2 couples=116/331/33=16/33; i get the right anwer) ... aaargh!!!... what am i missing???... pls help. thx, j
There are 12C4 = 495 ways to pick 4 people.
There are 6 ways to pick one couple, and 10C2 = 45 ways to pick the other two people, 5 of which are couples.
Hence, there are 6*(455)=240 ways to pick one couple in 4 people.
Hence the prob is 240/495 = 16/33
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thx akamay... you make it look so easy... its embarrasing... but ive learned a lot, thx... i discussed this problem with another smart guy and he told me this other way:
1c6*2c5*1c2*1c2/4c12
you pick a couple among the 6, then you pick 2 more couples among the other 5 and then you pick a member of each couple... cheers, javi



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stolyar wrote: my approach
FAVORABLE: a fourposition group _ _ _ _
1. take any pair and fill two places (6 ways) 2. take another person to fill the third place (5 pairs=10 ways) 3. take the last person (8 ways, for we cannot take a spose of the foregoing person)
TOTAL: 12C4
(6*10*8)/(9*5*11)=32/33
I also made a mistake, but where?
You double count in steps 2 and 3.
consider step #1. If you counted it the same way you would say:
1a: pick any person (12 ways)
1b: pick the spouse (1 way)
but there are only 6 pairs! If you pick the husband first then the wife, it is the same combination as if you pick the wife first, then the husband.
Similarly, you pair up each noncouple twice in steps 2 and 3 so you have exactly twice as many combinantions as you need.
Do you get it?
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mmmmm... ive double checked my numbers
1c6*2c5*1c2*1c2/4c12=16/33
this doesnt prove anything, i admit it...
i get your point about the first pair... however, im still missing how does that relate to my approach... ive picked one pair... 6 ways... then i pick 2 pairs out of the 5 left (to make sure i dont pick two people from the same pair)... 10 ways (not 20)... then i pick one different member of each pair... 4 ways (not 6)... so total=6*10*4=240... i just dont see where im double counting... help me see it please, as i cannot see it myself... thk u very much



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javropu wrote: mmmmm... ive double checked my numbers 1c6*2c5*1c2*1c2/4c12=16/33 this doesnt prove anything, i admit it... i get your point about the first pair... however, im still missing how does that relate to my approach... ive picked one pair... 6 ways... then i pick 2 pairs out of the 5 left (to make sure i dont pick two people from the same pair)... 10 ways (not 20)... then i pick one different member of each pair... 4 ways (not 6)... so total=6*10*4=240... i just dont see where im double counting... help me see it please, as i cannot see it myself... thk u very much
You are fine. I was responding to Stolyar.
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