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Option A uses construction ', + verb ing' which indicates cause effect relation / verb ing will modify preceding verb, so reducing can modify suffered and it is also correct to look at it in the light of cause - effect relation. Why are we saying it means that ancestors reduced themselves. Why don't we apply , + verbing rules over here ?
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Option A uses construction ', + verb ing' which indicates cause effect relation / verb ing will modify preceding verb, so reducing can modify suffered and it is also correct to look at it in the light of cause - effect relation. Why are we saying it means that ancestors reduced themselves. Why don't we apply , + verbing rules over here ?

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We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, the "comma + present participle" construction actually modifies the entirety of the preceding clause; thus, it implies that the subject of the preceding clause ("ancestors") in this case took the action that the present participle refers to.

We hope this helps.
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Hello experts,
I eliminated A and C, on the basis of "-that", As far as I knew, when we use dash (-), It explains any part of a sentence, for ex, a single word or verb or complete clause etc.

but this is new, If author wanted to maintain a parallelism between believe and at some time, he could've done so by simply using only "that". why is he being so fancy with -?

Hence I thought its simple is explaining the term "population bottleneck"(which makes sense), SO I liked D , but it fails to maintain parallelism in the end, then finally I chose A, knowing that ,ing is modifying subject and is wrong.

So why exactly the need of -That??

How to know weather "-" is explaining a part of a sentence or its maintaing a parallelism with clause or a verb?
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I eliminated A and C, on the basis of "-that", As far as I knew, when we use dash (-), It explains any part of a sentence, for ex, a single word or verb or complete clause etc.

but this is new, If author wanted to maintain a parallelism between believe and at some time, he could've done so by simply using only "that". why is he being so fancy with -?

Hence I thought its simple is explaining the term "population bottleneck"(which makes sense), SO I liked D , but it fails to maintain parallelism in the end, then finally I chose A, knowing that ,ing is modifying subject and is wrong.

So why exactly the need of -That??

How to know weather "-" is explaining a part of a sentence or its maintaing a parallelism with clause or a verb?
The author was fancy with the dash to make the question confusing, but here's what the dash does.

The portion of the sentence that follows the dash is an appositive that renames and expands on what precedes the dash.

So, in the correct version we have the following:

Some anthropologists believe

that the genetic homogeneity evident in the world's people is the result of a "population bottleneck"



that at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event that greatly reduced their numbers.


We see that the second "that" clause renames what the anthropologists believe and, in so doing, expands on it.
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What does the role of "the first THAT" in choice (B)?
Why do we have to put "that" in (B)?

The em-dash used to provide more info about a "population bottleneck". Thus, What does the role of "the first THAT" in choice (B)?
Why do we have to put "that" in (B)?
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Dear Experts,

What does the role of "the first THAT" in choice (B)?
Why do we have to put "that" in (B)?

The em-dash used to provide more info about a "population bottleneck". Thus, What does the role of "the first THAT" in choice (B)?
Why do we have to put "that" in (B)?

Importantly, the stuff after the dash is ••NOT•• an explanation of just the phrase 'population bottleneck'! It's an explanation of the entire preceding sentence. I.e., it explains more specifically why/how "the genetic homogeneity evident in the world's people is the result of a 'population bottleneck'".

We can make a relative judgment between the choices with only one "that" (A, D, E) and those with a second "that" in front of the explanation (B and C).
In B and C, this relationship is clear and unambiguous.
In ADE, on the other hand, this rl is not at all clear. In those versions of the sentence, a typical reader will FIRST try the simplest, more straightforward, and most compactly contained interpretation—meaning that a typical reader will first misinterpret the stuff after the dash as explaining only the phrase 'population bottleneck', and will have to go back and re-read the sentence in order to understand it.
So, the version with two "that"s is definitely OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR to the version with only one "that". eliminate ADE.
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Dear Experts,

What does the role of "the first THAT" in choice (B)?
Why do we have to put "that" in (B)?

The em-dash used to provide more info about a "population bottleneck". Thus, What does the role of "the first THAT" in choice (B)?
Why do we have to put "that" in (B)?

Importantly, the stuff after the dash is ••NOT•• an explanation of just the phrase 'population bottleneck'! It's an explanation of the entire preceding sentence. I.e., it explains more specifically why/how "the genetic homogeneity evident in the world's people is the result of a 'population bottleneck'".

We can make a relative judgment between the choices with only one "that" (A, D, E) and those with a second "that" in front of the explanation (B and C).
In B and C, this relationship is clear and unambiguous.
In ADE, on the other hand, this rl is not at all clear. In those versions of the sentence, a typical reader will FIRST try the simplest, more straightforward, and most compactly contained interpretation—meaning that a typical reader will first misinterpret the stuff after the dash as explaining only the phrase 'population bottleneck', and will have to go back and re-read the sentence in order to understand it.
So, the version with two "that"s is definitely OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR to the version with only one "that". eliminate ADE.

Thank you for your explanation RonTargetTestPrep!

Now I understand that : the stuff after the dash is ••NOT•• an explanation of just the phrase 'population bottleneck'!

However, what is the role or "that" after the em-dash? I mainly used the last that to eliminate others choices, especially the choices containing -ing.
I don't understand what "that" after the em-dash does. I thought "that" after the em-dash acts as a pronoun but it doesn't (If I correctly understand your explanation).
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Dear Experts,

What does the role of "the first THAT" in choice (B)?
Why do we have to put "that" in (B)?

The em-dash used to provide more info about a "population bottleneck". Thus, What does the role of "the first THAT" in choice (B)?
Why do we have to put "that" in (B)?

Importantly, the stuff after the dash is ••NOT•• an explanation of just the phrase 'population bottleneck'! It's an explanation of the entire preceding sentence. I.e., it explains more specifically why/how "the genetic homogeneity evident in the world's people is the result of a 'population bottleneck'".

We can make a relative judgment between the choices with only one "that" (A, D, E) and those with a second "that" in front of the explanation (B and C).
In B and C, this relationship is clear and unambiguous.
In ADE, on the other hand, this rl is not at all clear. In those versions of the sentence, a typical reader will FIRST try the simplest, more straightforward, and most compactly contained interpretation—meaning that a typical reader will first misinterpret the stuff after the dash as explaining only the phrase 'population bottleneck', and will have to go back and re-read the sentence in order to understand it.
So, the version with two "that"s is definitely OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR to the version with only one "that". eliminate ADE.

Thank you for your explanation RonTargetTestPrep!

Now I understand that : the stuff after the dash is ••NOT•• an explanation of just the phrase 'population bottleneck'!

However, what is the role or "that" after the em-dash? I mainly used the last that to eliminate others choices, especially the choices containing -ing.
I don't understand what "that" after the em-dash does. I thought "that" after the em-dash acts as a pronoun but it doesn't (If I correctly understand your explanation).

If you are looking for a “formal grammar term,” the following link may help.

https://www.thoughtco.com/resumptive-mo ... ar-1692049

Even if the structures aren’t exactly the same, I believe you can find enough examples by typing the grammar term into google.

Furthermore, you should notice several examples that employ a “dash,” along with several examples that employ a comma.

NOTE: I’m not an expert.

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Option A : at sometime in the past our ancestors suffered an event, greatly reducing their numbers

??? greatly reducing their numbers??? : will this not act as modifier for the suffering?
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Option A : at sometime in the past our ancestors suffered an event, greatly reducing their numbers

??? greatly reducing their numbers??? : will this not act as modifier for the suffering?
As mentioned in this post, the act of suffering isn't what reduced their numbers. It was the event that reduced their numbers, so (B) makes more sense.

For more on (A) vs (B), check out this post: https://gmatclub.com/forum/some-anthrop ... l#p2677943.
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Some anthropologists believe that the genetic homogeneity evident in the world's people is the result of a "population bottleneck"—at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event, greatly reducing their numbers and thus our genetic variation.

(A) at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event, greatly reducing their numbers
(B) that at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event that greatly reduced their numbers
(C) that some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event so that their numbers were greatly reduced,
(D) some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event from which their numbers were greatly reduced
(E) some time in the past, that our ancestors suffered an event so as to reduce their numbers greatly,

Meaning: Some anthropologists believe that the genetic homogeneity evident in the world's people is the result of a "population bottleneck". Population bottleneck – an event that occurred sometime back in the past which greatly reduced their numbers and thus our genetic variation.

Option A) “greatly reducing their numbers” – Verb-ing modifier comma separated, so presenting (modifying) more information about the preceding clause “at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event” which is incorrect as the event reduced their numbers.

Option C) so that presents reason which is incorrect.

Option D) “from which” is incorrect. The correct sentence would be “some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event that greatly reduced their numbers”.

Option E) “so as” provides an intent.

My confusion is “that” in Option B)
that should replace “population bottleneck”
So the sentence becomes “population bottleneck at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event that greatly reduced their numbers” – doesn’t look correct to me.

I know after the hyphen “-” the modifier comes which provides more information about the preceding noun.

Can you please clarify about the usage of hyphen?

Dear Kinjal,

Thank you for your query. :)

The punctuation mark referred to by you is technically called a “dash”. Yes, it has a slightly less fancy name than the “hyphen”. :)

Moving on, the dash can be used in multiple ways. In the sentence at hand, it has been used to elaborate on what the author has mentioned before the dash. If you observe, the portion after the dash not only expands on the “bottleneck” bit but also on how the genetic homogeneity is the result of the mentioned bottleneck. Accordingly, if I were to draw a parallel structure it would be something on the following lines:

Mariana believes that altruism exists even in today’s day and age — that people can help others without any selfish motives is not an idea that is too unrealistic to exist in a society that thrives on rewarding individualism.

In the example sentence above, the portion after the dash reiterates the point stated earlier while elaborating a bit more on the same. Not only does it tell you more about the concept of altruism, as perceived by the author, but also about the whole statement made earlier. This is very similar to how the dash has been used in the correct choice of the question referred to by you in your post.

Of course, the above question does not limit the universe of the uses of this punctuation mark. You can also use the dash in various other forms, but the idea remains the same: to separate parts of the sentence while adding information. To enhance your understanding, you could refer to some other OG questions in your research - OG 13: Q#98 & Q#132.

Hope that helps! :)

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Thank you for this. I am still confused on why the "that" is required here following the dash.
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Thank you for this. I am still confused on why the "that" is required here following the dash.

Hey woohoo921

Thank you for this interesting question.

I'd like to start by saying that it's perfectly alright if such segments separated by "dashes" (formally known as "ASIDES") are in the form of independent clauses. In fact, there is no hard and fast rule. Such segments could be words, phrases, dependent clauses, and even independent clauses. What matters is that they provide information about a clearly identifiable preceding identity. This preceding entity could be the immediately preceding noun, phrase, dependent clause, or even independent clause.

What's important to note is that the structure of this segment (Aside) is made to match the structure of the entity about which it provides additional information only when it helps reduce ambiguity.

This is the case in this particular official question:

Some anthropologists believe that the genetic homogeneity evident in the world's people is the result of a "population bottleneck" - that at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event that greatly reduced their numbers and thus our genetic variation.

Meaning Analysis:
    1. Some anthropologists believe something.
    2. Their belief is that the genetic homogeneity evident in the world's people is the result of a "population bottleneck".
    3. In other words, they believe that at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event that greatly reduced their numbers and thus our genetic variation.

As you can see from the above, the segment set aside by the dash is a paraphrase of the belief of the anthropologists mentioned in the preceding clause. Hence, repeating "that" at the start of this segment (aside) helps the reader identify that this segments explains that belief further.

If we remove "that", although we'd still be able to make logical sense of this segment (aside), we'd lose the clarity that this current version of choice B provides.


Now, here's an official example in which such a segment (aside) is an independent clause and manages to describe the preceding dependent clause with ease and without ambiguity.


Another important observation is that none of the choices without "that" are error free. Hence, we cannot say for certain that the absence of "that" is a deterministic error, at least not from this question.


To conclude: Placing "that" makes the sentence better - more elegant and easier to comprehend. However, not placing "that" need not be a deterministic error in this question. There could be a case wherein a choice without "that" could be the best of the given choices, and hence the best answer to this same question. So, I'd say "keep an open mind about this".


I hope this helps.

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Some anthropologists believe that the genetic homogeneity evident in the world's people is the result of a "population bottleneck"-at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event, greatly reducing their numbers and thus our genetic variation.

I still dont get why A is not correct ?
"ing" plays 2 role first is describing the action with subject and second it can be an effect of a cause mentioned earlier in the clause.
here why cant "greatly reducing their numbers and thus our genetic variation" be an effect of " ancestors suffering from event "
It can mean " ancestors suffered from event and thus suffering from that event led to reducing their....blabla " clear cause and effect.
if "ing" can play second role clearly why one has to check for the first role "ing" plays( i.e. describing with subject) ??
If option A is incorrect it has to be some other reason.
thanks


I have the same question. the ing modifier is modifying the entire clause - ancestors suffering an event, and that suffering led to reduction
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I have the same question. the ing modifier is modifying the entire clause - ancestors suffering an event, and that suffering led to reduction
We attempted to explain this one earlier in the thread, so check out this post if you haven't already. And if that doesn't help, just let us know.
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I have the same question. the ing modifier is modifying the entire clause - ancestors suffering an event, and that suffering led to reduction

Hey akritigpi46

Happy to help.

Let's take a closer look at choice A.

Some anthropologists believe that the genetic homogeneity evident in the world's people is the result of a "population bottleneck"—at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event, greatly reducing their numbers and thus our genetic variation.

Sentence Structure:
  • Some anthropologists believe
    • that the genetic homogeneity evident in the world's people
      • is the result of a "population bottleneck"—
        • at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event,
          • greatly reducing
            • their numbers and thus
            • our genetic variation.

The issue with choice A is that the verb-ing modifier "reducing" modifies the preceding clause. That is, it modifies the action "suffered" and tells us the reason, the manner, or the consequence of "our ancestors' action of 'suffering'".

Of the three possible meanings, the most logical interpretation of the verb-ing modifier is that "reducing" is the result or consequence of "ancestors' suffering".

Now, this is incorrect.

By putting it this way, the sentence illogically implies that our ancestors intentionally suffered an event to greatly reduce their numbers. Clearly, that wasn't the case. We wish to say that our ancestors suffered an event. And that event greatly reduced their numbers.

This is why choice B is the best of the given choices: it clearly conveys that the event reduced the ancestors' numbers and our genetic variation and not our ancestors themselves.

I hope this helps improve your understanding.


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Some anthropologists believe that the genetic homogeneity evident in the world's people is the result of a "population bottleneck"-at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event, greatly reducing their numbers and thus our genetic variation.

I still dont get why A is not correct ?
"ing" plays 2 role first is describing the action with subject and second it can be an effect of a cause mentioned earlier in the clause.
here why cant "greatly reducing their numbers and thus our genetic variation" be an effect of " ancestors suffering from event "
It can mean " ancestors suffered from event and thus suffering from that event led to reducing their....blabla " clear cause and effect.
if "ing" can play second role clearly why one has to check for the first role "ing" plays( i.e. describing with subject) ??
If option A is incorrect it has to be some other reason.
thanks


I have the same question. the ing modifier is modifying the entire clause - ancestors suffering an event, and that suffering led to reduction

Hello akritigpi46,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, in modifying a clause, the "comma + present participle ("verb+ing" - "reducing" in this sentence)" implies that the subject of the clause took the action referred to by the participle; thus, here, the phrase "greatly reducing their numbers" illogically implies that our ancestors reduced their own numbers; the intended meaning is that the event reduced their numbers.

We hope this helps.
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Some anthropologists believe that the genetic homogeneity evident in the world's people is the result of a "population bottleneck"—at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event, greatly reducing their numbers and thus our genetic variation.


(A) at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event, greatly reducing their numbers

(B) that at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event that greatly reduced their numbers

(C) that sometime in the past our ancestors suffered an event so that their numbers were greatly reduced

(D) some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event from which their numbers were greatly reduced

(E) some time in the past, that our ancestors suffered an event so as to reduce their numbers greatly,


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Meaning is crucial to solving this problem:
Understanding the intended meaning is key to solving this question; the intended meaning of the crucial part of this sentence is that at some time in the past our ancestors suffered an event that greatly reduced their numbers.

Concepts tested here: Meaning + Grammatical Construction

A: This answer choice alters the meaning of the sentence through the phrase "greatly reducing their numbers"; the construction of this phrase illogically implies that our ancestors suffered an event, and as a result, they greatly reduced their own numbers; the intended meaning is that our ancestors suffered an event, and that event greatly reduced their numbers.

B: Correct. This answer choice uses the phrase "event that greatly reduced their numbers", conveying the intended meaning - that our ancestors suffered an event, and that event greatly reduced their numbers.

C: This answer choice alters the meaning of the sentence through the phrase "so that their numbers were greatly reduced"; the construction of this phrase illogically implies that our ancestors suffered an event for the purpose of greatly reducing their numbers; the intended meaning is that our ancestors suffered an event, and that event greatly reduced their numbers.

D: This answer choice alters the meaning of the sentence through the phrase "from which their numbers were greatly reduced"; the construction of this phrase leads to an incoherent meaning; the intended meaning is that our ancestors suffered an event, and that event greatly reduced their numbers.

E: This answer choice alters the meaning of the sentence through the phrase "so as to reduce their numbers greatly"; the construction of this phrase illogically implies that our ancestors suffered an event for the purpose of greatly reducing their numbers; the intended meaning is that our ancestors suffered an event, and that event greatly reduced their numbers.

Hence, B is the best answer choice.

Additional Note: Some students may believe that Options A, D, and E are incorrect because they use a dash to join independent clauses, however, a dash can be used to carry out the roles of a colon, one of which is introducing an independent clause that explains a preceding independent clause, as is the case here. The independent clauses that follow "Some anthropologists believe that the genetic homogeneity evident in the world's people is the result of a "population bottleneck" are meant to explain what is meant by a "population bottleneck".

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Experts' Global Team

In option B, isn't there a parallelism issue, in the end, reduced + thus our genetic variation? Does the sentence lose meaning in the end?
Kindly clear my doubt.
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