It is currently 19 Nov 2017, 15:16

### GMAT Club Daily Prep

#### Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized
for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track
Your Progress

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice
Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

# Events & Promotions

###### Events & Promotions in June
Open Detailed Calendar

# The city industrialists have demanded the state government

 new topic post reply Question banks Downloads My Bookmarks Reviews Important topics
Author Message
TAGS:

### Hide Tags

Manager
Joined: 24 Mar 2010
Posts: 78

Kudos [?]: 80 [0], given: 134

The city industrialists have demanded the state government [#permalink]

### Show Tags

31 Dec 2012, 04:14
1
This post was
BOOKMARKED
00:00

Difficulty:

(N/A)

Question Stats:

100% (00:09) correct 0% (00:00) wrong based on 19 sessions

### HideShow timer Statistics

The city industrialists have demanded the state government to meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
The city industrialists have demanded that the state government meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.

Could someone please explain what THE CORRECT IDIOM STRUCTURE is for each of the above and why it's incorrect (if incorrect)

A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy to be generally expanding.
A reading above 50 percent indicates that the manufacturing economy is generally expanding.
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy is generally expanding.

Determined by vs Determined from
_________________

- Stay Hungry, stay Foolish -

Kudos [?]: 80 [0], given: 134

Current Student
Joined: 27 Jun 2012
Posts: 405

Kudos [?]: 947 [2], given: 184

Concentration: Strategy, Finance
Re: Idiom Clarification [#permalink]

### Show Tags

31 Dec 2012, 05:13
2
This post received
KUDOS
7
This post was
BOOKMARKED
The city industrialists have demanded the state government to meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
-- Wrong: Demand is command subjunctive ONLY verb. Infinitive form "to meet" is not allowed.
The city industrialists have demanded that the state government meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
-- Correct. This sentence correctly uses the simple tense form for verb "meet".

Concept -
Command subjunctive ONLY verbs: (indicates desire): Demand, Dictate, Insist, Mandate, Propose, Recommend, Stipulate
e.g. We mandate (demand) that he be there.
Infinitive ONLY verbs: Advice, Allow, Forbid, Persuade, Want
e.g. We allow (want) him to be here.

------------------------------------------
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy to be generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.
A reading above 50 percent indicates that the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Correct. 'that' is followed by indicate.
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.

Concept -
Always Keep 'that' after a reporting verb
Common reporting verbs: agree, claim, contend, declare, find, indicate, reveal, rule, show

------------------------------------------
Determined by vs Determined from

Below explains it (courtesy Mitch Hunt)
X was determined by Y means that X RESULTED from Y.
X was determined from Y means that X was DEDUCED from Y.
X was determined through Y means that Y was the METHOD through which X was deduced.

_________________

Thanks,
Prashant Ponde

Tough 700+ Level RCs: Passage1 | Passage2 | Passage3 | Passage4 | Passage5 | Passage6 | Passage7
Reading Comprehension notes: Click here
VOTE GMAT Practice Tests: Vote Here
PowerScore CR Bible - Official Guide 13 Questions Set Mapped: Click here
Looking to finance your tuition: Click here

Kudos [?]: 947 [2], given: 184

Manager
Joined: 24 Mar 2010
Posts: 78

Kudos [?]: 80 [0], given: 134

Re: Idiom Clarification [#permalink]

### Show Tags

31 Dec 2012, 10:01
PraPon wrote:
The city industrialists have demanded the state government to meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
-- Wrong: Demand is command subjunctive ONLY verb. Infinitive form "to meet" is not allowed.
The city industrialists have demanded that the state government meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
-- Correct. This sentence correctly uses the simple tense form for verb "meet".

Concept -
Command subjunctive ONLY verbs: (indicates desire): Demand, Dictate, Insist, Mandate, Propose, Recommend, Stipulate
e.g. We mandate (demand) that he be there.
Infinitive ONLY verbs: Advice, Allow, Forbid, Persuade, Want
e.g. We allow (want) him to be here.

------------------------------------------
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy to be generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.
A reading above 50 percent indicates that the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Correct. 'that' is followed by indicate.
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.

Concept -
Always Keep 'that' after a reporting verb
Common reporting verbs: agree, claim, contend, declare, find, indicate, reveal, rule, show

------------------------------------------
Determined by vs Determined from

Below explains it (courtesy Mitch Hunt)
X was determined by Y means that X RESULTED from Y.
X was determined from Y means that X was DEDUCED from Y.
X was determined through Y means that Y was the METHOD through which X was deduced.

I demand to see the person in charge!

You stated that demand is only and always followed by that. So the above construction is incorrect?
_________________

- Stay Hungry, stay Foolish -

Kudos [?]: 80 [0], given: 134

VP
Status: Been a long time guys...
Joined: 03 Feb 2011
Posts: 1378

Kudos [?]: 1703 [0], given: 62

Location: United States (NY)
Concentration: Finance, Marketing
GPA: 3.75
Re: Idiom Clarification [#permalink]

### Show Tags

31 Dec 2012, 10:11
Perhaps, the sentence written by you is out of the scope of the GMAT.
As per MGMAT SC and e-GMAT, demand can ONLY take "that", in GMAT. In outer world, it is possible to write sentences in a way that doesn't follows GMAT standard.
_________________

Kudos [?]: 1703 [0], given: 62

MBA Section Director
Joined: 19 Mar 2012
Posts: 4684

Kudos [?]: 17624 [0], given: 1986

Location: India
GMAT 1: 760 Q50 V42
GPA: 3.8
WE: Marketing (Non-Profit and Government)
Re: Idiom Clarification [#permalink]

### Show Tags

31 Dec 2012, 11:48
I demand to see the person in charge.
I find this a little awkward.
de·mand
/diˈmand/
Noun
An insistent and peremptory request, made as if by right.
Verb
Ask authoritatively or brusquely.
Synonyms
noun. request - claim - requirement - requisition - call - want
verb. require - claim - ask - request - call for - postulate

It would be better to put it like "I wish to see the person in charge"
Keeping in mind that "wish" in no way means subtle. Wish has pretty strong intentions too.
_________________

Kudos [?]: 17624 [0], given: 1986

Current Student
Joined: 27 Jun 2012
Posts: 405

Kudos [?]: 947 [0], given: 184

Concentration: Strategy, Finance
Re: Idiom Clarification [#permalink]

### Show Tags

31 Dec 2012, 11:55
2
This post was
BOOKMARKED
Eaakbari, once you read the Verb tense chapter of MGMAT SC guide (Command subjunctive mood topic) or other equivalent source then you will be lot more clearer on this concept. They have detailed explanations with examples there.

In summay:
 Command subjunctive – used with certain bossy verbs, which tell people to do things
o E.g., The agency demanded that Gary be ready before noon.
 Same form that you would use to command Gary directly
o Be ready before noon, Gary!

Basic rules:
 Bare form of verb – infinitive without the "to"
 Use simple present tense
 No –s on the end for third person singular
 Verb "to be" is always just "be", but never use is, are, or am

Subjunctive construction with “bossy verb”:
Bossy verb + THAT + subject + command subjunctive
 Correct: We propose that the school board disband.
 Wrong: We propose the school board disband. --That is not optional
Command Subjunctive ONLY (indicates desire): Demand, Dictate, Insist, Mandate, Propose, Recommend, Request, Stipulate, and Suggest
_________________

Thanks,
Prashant Ponde

Tough 700+ Level RCs: Passage1 | Passage2 | Passage3 | Passage4 | Passage5 | Passage6 | Passage7
Reading Comprehension notes: Click here
VOTE GMAT Practice Tests: Vote Here
PowerScore CR Bible - Official Guide 13 Questions Set Mapped: Click here
Looking to finance your tuition: Click here

Kudos [?]: 947 [0], given: 184

Non-Human User
Joined: 01 Oct 2013
Posts: 10132

Kudos [?]: 270 [0], given: 0

Re: The city industrialists have demanded the state government [#permalink]

### Show Tags

22 Jul 2014, 23:38
Hello from the GMAT Club VerbalBot!

Thanks to another GMAT Club member, I have just discovered this valuable topic, yet it had no discussion for over a year. I am now bumping it up - doing my job. I think you may find it valuable (esp those replies with Kudos).

Want to see all other topics I dig out? Follow me (click follow button on profile). You will receive a summary of all topics I bump in your profile area as well as via email.

Kudos [?]: 270 [0], given: 0

Non-Human User
Joined: 01 Oct 2013
Posts: 10132

Kudos [?]: 270 [0], given: 0

Re: The city industrialists have demanded the state government [#permalink]

### Show Tags

06 Mar 2016, 22:48
Hello from the GMAT Club VerbalBot!

Thanks to another GMAT Club member, I have just discovered this valuable topic, yet it had no discussion for over a year. I am now bumping it up - doing my job. I think you may find it valuable (esp those replies with Kudos).

Want to see all other topics I dig out? Follow me (click follow button on profile). You will receive a summary of all topics I bump in your profile area as well as via email.

Kudos [?]: 270 [0], given: 0

Re: The city industrialists have demanded the state government   [#permalink] 06 Mar 2016, 22:48
Display posts from previous: Sort by

# The city industrialists have demanded the state government

 new topic post reply Question banks Downloads My Bookmarks Reviews Important topics

 Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group | Emoji artwork provided by EmojiOne Kindly note that the GMAT® test is a registered trademark of the Graduate Management Admission Council®, and this site has neither been reviewed nor endorsed by GMAC®.