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The city industrialists have demanded the state government to meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
The city industrialists have demanded that the state government meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
Could someone please explain what THE CORRECT IDIOM STRUCTURE is for each of the above and why it's incorrect (if incorrect)
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy to be generally expanding.
A reading above 50 percent indicates that the manufacturing economy is generally expanding.
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy is generally expanding.
Determined by vs Determined from
The city industrialists have demanded that the state government meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
Could someone please explain what THE CORRECT IDIOM STRUCTURE is for each of the above and why it's incorrect (if incorrect)
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy to be generally expanding.
A reading above 50 percent indicates that the manufacturing economy is generally expanding.
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy is generally expanding.
Determined by vs Determined from
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The city industrialists have demanded the state government to meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
-- Wrong: Demand is command subjunctive ONLY verb. Infinitive form "to meet" is not allowed.
The city industrialists have demanded that the state government meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
-- Correct. This sentence correctly uses the simple tense form for verb "meet".
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Command subjunctive ONLY verbs: (indicates desire): Demand, Dictate, Insist, Mandate, Propose, Recommend, Stipulate
e.g. We mandate (demand) that he be there.
Infinitive ONLY verbs: Advice, Allow, Forbid, Persuade, Want
e.g. We allow (want) him to be here.
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A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy to be generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.
A reading above 50 percent indicates that the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Correct. 'that' is followed by indicate.
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.
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Always Keep 'that' after a reporting verb
Common reporting verbs: agree, claim, contend, declare, find, indicate, reveal, rule, show
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Determined by vs Determined from
Below explains it (courtesy Mitch Hunt)
X was determined by Y means that X RESULTED from Y.
X was determined from Y means that X was DEDUCED from Y.
X was determined through Y means that Y was the METHOD through which X was deduced.
-- Wrong: Demand is command subjunctive ONLY verb. Infinitive form "to meet" is not allowed.
The city industrialists have demanded that the state government meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
-- Correct. This sentence correctly uses the simple tense form for verb "meet".
Concept -
Command subjunctive ONLY verbs: (indicates desire): Demand, Dictate, Insist, Mandate, Propose, Recommend, Stipulate
e.g. We mandate (demand) that he be there.
Infinitive ONLY verbs: Advice, Allow, Forbid, Persuade, Want
e.g. We allow (want) him to be here.
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A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy to be generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.
A reading above 50 percent indicates that the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Correct. 'that' is followed by indicate.
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.
Concept -
Always Keep 'that' after a reporting verb
Common reporting verbs: agree, claim, contend, declare, find, indicate, reveal, rule, show
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Determined by vs Determined from
Below explains it (courtesy Mitch Hunt)
X was determined by Y means that X RESULTED from Y.
X was determined from Y means that X was DEDUCED from Y.
X was determined through Y means that Y was the METHOD through which X was deduced.
General Discussion
31 Dec 2012, 10:01
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The city industrialists have demanded the state government to meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
-- Wrong: Demand is command subjunctive ONLY verb. Infinitive form "to meet" is not allowed.
The city industrialists have demanded that the state government meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
-- Correct. This sentence correctly uses the simple tense form for verb "meet".
Concept -
Command subjunctive ONLY verbs: (indicates desire): Demand, Dictate, Insist, Mandate, Propose, Recommend, Stipulate
e.g. We mandate (demand) that he be there.
Infinitive ONLY verbs: Advice, Allow, Forbid, Persuade, Want
e.g. We allow (want) him to be here.
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A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy to be generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.
A reading above 50 percent indicates that the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Correct. 'that' is followed by indicate.
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.
Concept -
Always Keep 'that' after a reporting verb
Common reporting verbs: agree, claim, contend, declare, find, indicate, reveal, rule, show
------------------------------------------
Determined by vs Determined from
Below explains it (courtesy Mitch Hunt)
X was determined by Y means that X RESULTED from Y.
X was determined from Y means that X was DEDUCED from Y.
X was determined through Y means that Y was the METHOD through which X was deduced.
-- Wrong: Demand is command subjunctive ONLY verb. Infinitive form "to meet" is not allowed.
The city industrialists have demanded that the state government meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
-- Correct. This sentence correctly uses the simple tense form for verb "meet".
Concept -
Command subjunctive ONLY verbs: (indicates desire): Demand, Dictate, Insist, Mandate, Propose, Recommend, Stipulate
e.g. We mandate (demand) that he be there.
Infinitive ONLY verbs: Advice, Allow, Forbid, Persuade, Want
e.g. We allow (want) him to be here.
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A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy to be generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.
A reading above 50 percent indicates that the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Correct. 'that' is followed by indicate.
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.
Concept -
Always Keep 'that' after a reporting verb
Common reporting verbs: agree, claim, contend, declare, find, indicate, reveal, rule, show
------------------------------------------
Determined by vs Determined from
Below explains it (courtesy Mitch Hunt)
X was determined by Y means that X RESULTED from Y.
X was determined from Y means that X was DEDUCED from Y.
X was determined through Y means that Y was the METHOD through which X was deduced.
I demand to see the person in charge!
You stated that demand is only and always followed by that. So the above construction is incorrect?
