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# The Neanderthals, once considered dull-witted brutes, are

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The Neanderthals, once considered dull-witted brutes, are now known to have had brains fully as large as our own.

(B) as having brains that are
(C) to have brains that were
(D) that their brains were
(E) that they had brains that were

I googled this question and found out that the reason why C wasn't the answer was that "were" was inconsistent with other verb tense. According to what I found, "were" should be "are", which is present tense.

So if "were" were "are", could C be the answer?

Also, I am confused why we need present perfect tense instead of simple present tense ?( I am talking about A)
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04 Mar 2012, 02:31
I also marked C.

The reason for had in A --it is not past perfect tense because we don't have verb with it(had + past participle=Past perfect) but Past participle modifying brain

Pls comment if m wrong...
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04 Mar 2012, 02:33
It's A. It can't be C because neanderthals are dead, as are their brains.
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i am happy to help here

For most of you the contender s would be A and C

A is right here

look at the non-underlined portion carefully:

once considered dull-witted brutes this suggests that Neanderthals existed .they don't now

So have had would be correct here to show that the effect is still true now,but they are not existing.

C would have been correct of this modifier was not there >once considered dull-witted brutes

So this question is just about looking at non-underlined portion and marking the correct choice.

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look at the non-underlined portion carefully:

once considered dull-witted brutes this suggests that Neanderthals existed .they don't now

So have had would be correct here to show that the effect is still true now,but they are not existing.

Hi hsbinfy, it's slightly more complex than this. The usage here is not have had, but to have had. This usage is called perfect infinitive and is quite sophisticated in its application.

The perfect infinitive indicates that its action happened before the action of the main verb of the clause. Perfect infinitives can act as present perfect, past perfect, or simple past tense. In this case, the perfect infinitive is acting as simple past (because clearly, the brains of Neanderthals existed in the past).

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C would have been correct of this modifier was not there >once considered dull-witted brutes

Not really; the presence of were in option C continues to suggest that the sentence is talking about something in the past. So, Neanderthals cannot have brains (simple present) that were (simple past) as large as our own.

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17 Dec 2016, 20:33
How can we use have had when we don't have two events happening in the past simultaneously and one is happening after the other I would go with C in this case.

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AmritaSarkar89 wrote:
How can we use have had when we don't have two events happening in the past simultaneously and one is happening after the other I would go with C in this case.

Thats Human evolution Theory
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Neanderthals lived prior to Modern Human Beings..

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this question deals with perfect infinitives.

Perfect infinitive = to + have + participle

This is used when mentioning the event happened before the main verb of the sentence.

COming back to this question, "considered" is the main verb and the underlined part talk about an event that was previously considered.

So "to have had brains" used as is correct.
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20 Feb 2017, 12:55
Why cannot we use the construction with 'that', e.g. D)?
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23 Feb 2017, 03:29
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Why cannot we use the construction with 'that', e.g. D)?

they are known to help internationally --correct

they are known that they help internationally -- awkward

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30 Dec 2017, 00:53
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The Neanderthals, once considered dull-witted brutes, are now known to have had brains fully as large as our own.

(B) as having brains that are
(C) to have brains that were
(D) that their brains were
(E) that they had brains that were

I googled this question and found out that the reason why C wasn't the answer was that "were" was inconsistent with other verb tense. According to what I found, "were" should be "are", which is present tense.

So if "were" were "are", could C be the answer?

Also, I am confused why we need present perfect tense instead of simple present tense ?( I am talking about A)

there is one hard and fast rule here.
"known that " is appear only if there is a fake subject .

it is knows that they are good.
"it " here is fake subject. if we use real subject we need "to do"
I am known to be excellent at gmat.
so, E and D are gone
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