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The positive integers r, s, and t are such that r is divisible by s
and s is divisible by t. Is r even?
(1) st is odd.
(2) rt is even.


(1) \(st=odd\), clearly not sufficient as no info about \(r\), for example if \(r=6\), \(s=1\) and \(t=1\) then answer is YES but if \(r=3\), \(s=1\) and \(t=1\) then the answer is NO.

(2) \(rt=even\). For product of 2 integers to be even either one or both must be even. Can \(r\) not to be even? The only chance would be if \(t\) is even and \(r\) is odd. Let's check if this scenario is possible: if \(t\) is even, so must be \(s\), as \(s\) is divisible by \(t\) (if an integer is divisible by even it's even too). Now, if \(s\) is even so must be \(r\) by the very same reasoning. So scenario when \(r\) is not even is not possible --> \(r=even\). Sufficient.

Answer: B.

many thanks looks easy after the explanation :)

Do you have an idea about the level of this question ?


Not very hard (600+) but tricky, as it's C-trap question: the question which is obviously sufficient if we take statements together. When we see such questions we should become very suspicious.
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Re: pretty hard one [#permalink]
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(1) \(st=odd\), clearly not sufficient as no info about \(r\), for example if \(r=6\), \(s=1\) and \(t=1\) then answer is YES but if \(r=3\), \(s=1\) and \(t=1\) then the answer is NO.
Answer: B.

thanks...i was able to get to B but may be in 3 minutes.....
i complicated the question thinking like 2 4 8 and not thinking infact one can be one number or 2 numbers can be same 8 2 2 and so on...
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Re: Even or Odd [#permalink]
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The positive integers r, s, and t are such that r is divisible by s and s is divisible by t. Is r even?
(1) st is odd.
(2) rt is even.


r/s->Integer
s/t->Integer

(1) st is odd.
Both s and t are odd.

r=9; s=3; t=1
r=6; s=3; t=1
Not Sufficient.

(2) rt is even.
Either r or t or both are even.
r=even. Fantastic.
t=Even; s becomes even; t has to be even.

See this:
s/t=Integer; t=Even; s=Even*Integer=Even;
r/s=Integer; s=Even; r=Even*Integer=Even;

So, r is definitely even.
Sufficient.

Ans: "B"
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Re: Even or Odd [#permalink]
(1)

st is odd means that s and t are odd, but r can be even or odd

e.g r = 10, s = 5, t = 1

r = 15, s = 5, t = 1

Insufficient

(2)

If rt is even then at least one of t or r is even

So r = k*s

s = m*t

=> r = k*m*t (where k and m are positive integers)


=> rt = r * r/(km) = r^2/km is an even integer (as per question)

=> r^2 is even

=> r is even

Sufficient

Answer - B
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Re: pretty hard one [#permalink]
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mehdiov wrote:
The positive integers r, s, and t are such that r is divisible by s
and s is divisible by t. Is r even?
(1) st is odd.
(2) rt is even.


(1) \(st=odd\), clearly not sufficient as no info about \(r\), for example if \(r=6\), \(s=1\) and \(t=1\) then answer is YES but if \(r=3\), \(s=1\) and \(t=1\) then the answer is NO.

(2) \(rt=even\). For product of 2 integers to be even either one or both must be even. Can \(r\) not to be even? The only chance would be if \(t\) is even and \(r\) is odd. Let's check if this scenario is possible: if \(t\) is even, so must be \(s\), as \(s\) is divisible by \(t\) (if an integer is divisible by even it's even too). Now, if \(s\) is even so must be \(r\) by the very same reasoning. So scenario when \(r\) is not even is not possible --> \(r=even\). Sufficient.

Answer: B.


HI Bunnel,

I have a doubt on this.

Generally we treat both the statements as seprate statements. then why are you mixing them.

If I will go with st2 i can r can be even or odd because rt = even ( r and t both can be even or one of them is even) now if we refer even to r and t then st1 will contradict.

is this the reason you are not considering both r and t as even?

Please clarify

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Bunuel wrote:
mehdiov wrote:
The positive integers r, s, and t are such that r is divisible by s
and s is divisible by t. Is r even?
(1) st is odd.
(2) rt is even.


(1) \(st=odd\), clearly not sufficient as no info about \(r\), for example if \(r=6\), \(s=1\) and \(t=1\) then answer is YES but if \(r=3\), \(s=1\) and \(t=1\) then the answer is NO.

(2) \(rt=even\). For product of 2 integers to be even either one or both must be even. Can \(r\) not to be even? The only chance would be if \(t\) is even and \(r\) is odd. Let's check if this scenario is possible: if \(t\) is even, so must be \(s\), as \(s\) is divisible by \(t\) (if an integer is divisible by even it's even too). Now, if \(s\) is even so must be \(r\) by the very same reasoning. So scenario when \(r\) is not even is not possible --> \(r=even\). Sufficient.

Answer: B.


HI Bunnel,

I have a doubt on this.

Generally we treat both the statements as seprate statements. then why are you mixing them.

If I will go with st2 i can r can be even or odd because rt = even ( r and t both can be even or one of them is even) now if we refer even to r and t then st1 will contradict.

is this the reason you are not considering both r and t as even?

Please clarify

Thanks.


The statements do not contradict: st is odd and rt is even is possible when r is even and both s and t are odd.
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Re: The positive integers r, s, and t are such that r is [#permalink]
This is how I solved it:

Is r even?

r is divisible by s, hence r = ns
s is divisible by t, hence s = mt
combining, r = nmt

1-> st = odd. This implies, both s and t are odd. no impact on r. insuff.
2 -> rt = even
Hence, r = even or t = even or both = even
If t = even, then r = nmt = even
If r = odd, then r is even for rt = even
Suff.
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Re: The positive integers r, s, and t are such that r is [#permalink]
The positive integers r, s, and t are such that r is divisible by s and s is divisible by t. Is r even?

(1) st is odd.
(2) rt is even.

Solution:

The Tricky part in this question is to remember that r,s and t are integers.

Statement 1: No information about r is given. r can be either even or odd. Insufficient.

Statement 2: r has to be even as Odd number divided by odd will never yield a even number and Odd number divided by even will not yield a integer.
Therefore r must be even.

Answer :Option B.
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Re: The positive integers r, s, and t are such that r is [#permalink]
r = sx
s = ty

r = tyx

1. st is odd
O = O*y ==> y = odd
r = O*O*x.. we don't know x. Therefore, not sufficient

2. rt = even
r = tyx
O=E*y*x or
E = O*y*x

evaluate whether both outcomes are possible.
when r is odd
t, y, and x must be odd which is not possible since t is even in this case.

thus, r is even

Ans. B
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Re: The positive integers r, s, and t are such that r is [#permalink]
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The positive integers r, s, and t are such that r is divisible by s and s is divisible by t. Is r even?

(1) st is odd.
(2) rt is even.


The thing about these problems is that even though they appear to be very simple math they are designed to be very misleading

Statement 1

you could have 12 3 1 or 9 3 1

insuff

Statement 2

R cannot be odd because t has to be a multiple of 2- - because t has to be a factor of r

suff

B
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Re: The positive integers r, s, and t are such that r is [#permalink]
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mehdiov wrote:
The positive integers r, s, and t are such that r is divisible by s and s is divisible by t. Is r even?

(1) st is odd.
(2) rt is even.


(1) \(st=odd\), clearly not sufficient as no info about \(r\), for example if \(r=6\), \(s=1\) and \(t=1\) then answer is YES but if \(r=3\), \(s=1\) and \(t=1\) then the answer is NO.

(2) \(rt=even\). For product of 2 integers to be even either one or both must be even. Can \(r\) not to be even? The only chance would be if \(t\) is even and \(r\) is odd. Let's check if this scenario is possible: if \(t\) is even, so must be \(s\), as \(s\) is divisible by \(t\) (if an integer is divisible by even it's even too). Now, if \(s\) is even so must be \(r\) by the very same reasoning. So scenario when \(r\) is not even is not possible --> \(r=even\). Sufficient.

Answer: B.



What happens when t is odd?
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Bunuel wrote:
mehdiov wrote:
The positive integers r, s, and t are such that r is divisible by s and s is divisible by t. Is r even?

(1) st is odd.
(2) rt is even.


(1) \(st=odd\), clearly not sufficient as no info about \(r\), for example if \(r=6\), \(s=1\) and \(t=1\) then answer is YES but if \(r=3\), \(s=1\) and \(t=1\) then the answer is NO.

(2) \(rt=even\). For product of 2 integers to be even either one or both must be even. Can \(r\) not to be even? The only chance would be if \(t\) is even and \(r\) is odd. Let's check if this scenario is possible: if \(t\) is even, so must be \(s\), as \(s\) is divisible by \(t\) (if an integer is divisible by even it's even too). Now, if \(s\) is even so must be \(r\) by the very same reasoning. So scenario when \(r\) is not even is not possible --> \(r=even\). Sufficient.

Answer: B.



What happens when t is odd?


For (2) if t is odd then r must be even right away, because rt=even.
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mehdiov wrote:
The positive integers r, s, and t are such that r is divisible by s and s is divisible by t. Is r even?

(1) st is odd.
(2) rt is even.


Rule:
EVEN/EVEN = anything {not defined (divisibility by 0), even, odd, proper fraction}
ODD/ODD = odd or proper fraction
EVEN/ODD = even or proper fraction
ODD/EVEN = not defined or proper fraction

Given: if r/s=integer and s/t=integer, then r/t=integer.

(1) st is odd: then, s and t are both odd, only ODD*ODD=ODD; from this, we have two cases,
r/ODD=integer, then r=ODD/ODD, or r=EVEN/ODD, different answers insufficient.

(2) rt is even: then, r and t cannot be both odd; however, r=ODD/t=EVEN is not an integer,
so the only valid cases are r=EVEN/t=EVEN, and r=EVEN/t=ODD, sufficient.

Answer (B).
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