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TOTAL = A + B + C - ( SUM OF 2 - GROUP OVERLAPS ) + ( ALL 3 ) + NEITHER... WHEN U FILL ALL THESE QUANTITIES.. I SUPPOSE U DO NOT HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT IS REMAINING TO BE FILLED.. HENCE IMO E CAN NOT BE DETERMINED...
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Students who wore hat \(= 8\)

Students who wore gloves \(= 15\)

Students who wore scarves \(= 10\)

All the students who wore scarves wore gloves. Students who wore both gloves and scarves \(= 10\)

Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves. Students who wore a hat also wore gloves \(= 4\)

Students wore a hat, gloves, and a scarf \(= 4\)

Out of \(10\) Students who wore both gloves and scarves, \(4\) of them wore hat, gloves and scarves.

Students who wore only gloves and scarves \(= 6\)

Therefore;

Students who wore only hat = 4

Students who wore only gloves \(= 5\)

Students who wore hat, gloves and scarves \(= 4\)

Students who wore only gloves and scarves \(= 6\)

Total number of students \(= 4 + 5 + 4+6 = 19\)

Answer (C)...

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Hello bro,

I have a doubt your reasoning .... look at the highlighted part.

Students who wear hat as per the ques = 8 ( this includes people with only Hat, hat and scarf, hat and glove and hat scarf glove)

4 wear hats + glove+ scarf.

that leaves us with 4 people with hat ( this includes people with only Hat, hat and scarf, hat and glove). However, its given half of the people who wore hat also wore gloves. Thus 2 should wear Hat + Gloves and only 2 should remain with ONLY hat.

Although I shouldn't assume anything in GMAT, I can assume given the ques that hat and scarf =0 ----> Though I wouldn't assume that in exam.

I don't think this is a very GMAT like question.
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Students who wore hat \(= 8\)

Students who wore gloves \(= 15\)

Students who wore scarves \(= 10\)

All the students who wore scarves wore gloves. Students who wore both gloves and scarves \(= 10\)

Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves. Students who wore a hat also wore gloves \(= 4\)

Students wore a hat, gloves, and a scarf \(= 4\)

Out of \(10\) Students who wore both gloves and scarves, \(4\) of them wore hat, gloves and scarves.

Students who wore only gloves and scarves \(= 6\)

Therefore;

Students who wore only hat = 4

Students who wore only gloves \(= 5\)

Students who wore hat, gloves and scarves \(= 4\)

Students who wore only gloves and scarves \(= 6\)

Total number of students \(= 4 + 5 + 4+6 = 19\)

Answer (C)...

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Hello bro,

I have a doubt your reasoning .... look at the highlighted part.

Students who wear hat as per the ques = 8 ( this includes people with only Hat, hat and scarf, hat and glove and hat scarf glove)

4 wear hats + glove+ scarf.

that leaves us with 4 people with hat ( this includes people with only Hat, hat and scarf, hat and glove). However, its given half of the people who wore hat also wore gloves. Thus 2 should wear Hat + Gloves and only 2 should remain with ONLY hat.

Although I shouldn't assume anything in GMAT, I can assume given the ques that hat and scarf =0 ----> Though I wouldn't assume that in exam.

I don't think this is a very GMAT like question.

Hi gmatexam439,

Its not mentioned ONLY 4 students wear hats, gloves and scarves.

Given, 4 students wear hats, gloves and scarves. And half of students who wore hat also wore gloves (Which is = 4).

So 4 students who wear hats, gloves and scarves, also is included as students who wore hat and gloves.

Hence Students who wore only hat would be = 4.

Hope its clear now.
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Hi gmatexam439,

Its not mentioned ONLY 4 students wear hats, gloves and scarves.

Given, 4 students wear hats, gloves and scarves. And half of students who wore hat also wore gloves (Which is = 4).

So 4 students who wear hats, gloves and scarves, also is included as students who wore hat and gloves.

Hence Students who wore only hat would be = 4.

Hope its clear now.

Yup that makes sense. I thought this scenario as a second possibility; but since the ques says half of people who wear hat wear glove, its very ambiguous to divide 8 by 2 and say 4 wear only hat. Also, no info is given for hat + scarf.

I don't think such half baked ques will appear on gmat.

Thanks again for clearing my above doubt bro.
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Let students who wore hats be denoted by P(H)
Let students who wore gloves be denoted by P(G)
Let students who wore scarves be denoted by P(S)

P(Total) = P(H) + P(G) + P(S) - P(Only 2) - 2*P(All 3)

Given data:
P(H) = 8
P(G) = 15
P(S) = 10
P(All 3) = 4

We can get the following information from the question stem
None of the students wore a scarf without gloves
P(S & G) = 10 - 4(who have all 3) = 6
Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves
P(H & G) = \(\frac{P(H)}{2}\) - 4(who have all 3) = \(\frac{8}{2} - 4 = 0\)
Similarly P(S & H) = 0

P(Only 2) = P(S & G) + P(H & G) + P(S & H) = 6+0+0 = 6

Therefore, the number of students in Tanner's class :
P(Total) = 8 + 15 + 10 - 6 - 2*(4) = 33 - 14 = 19(Option C)
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Of the students in Tanner’s class, 8 wore a hat to school, 15 students wore gloves, and 10 wore scarves. None of the students wore a scarf without gloves. Four students wore a hat, gloves, and a scarf. Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves. How many students are in Tanner’s class?

A)33
B)23
C)19
D)15
E) Cannot be determined.
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I had to use this Venn diagram. Maybe it will help, because this problem is sneaky.

Hats = 8
Gloves = 15
Scarves = 10
H + G + S = 4

None of the students wore a scarf without gloves
Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves = 4

1. Start with most restrictive information, H + G + S = 4. Put 4 in the triple overlap (blue).

Next two most restrictive conditions, one at a time.

2. None of the students wore a scarf without gloves. If they had scarves on, they had gloves on, too.

So: ZERO students will wear scarves only. Put 0 in the yellow part.

ZERO of the students will wear scarves and hats only. Put 0 in H + S (purple)

And: if S, then G at least means S + G = 10. However, blue affects everything else. Blue is H + G + S.

S + G (green) looks very tempting in which to put S + G = 10 -- but the blue segment already has 4 of the 10 students who wore S and G.
10 - 4 = 6. Put 6 in S + G (green).

3. Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves, half = 4

Now G + H looks tempting. Check blue first. There are 4 students with H + G + S. This condition is covered.
Put 0 in G + H.

4. Final calculations: H only and G only

H only - every intersection around H only is filled with a number (white, blue, purple). Add them up. 0 + 0 + 4 = 4. Total H = 8.
8 - 4(in blue) = 4. Put 4 in H only.

G only - every intersection around G only is filled. Add the intersecting parts' (white, blue, green) numbers up: 0 + 4 + 6 = 10
Total G = 15. (15 - 10) = 5 in G only.

Now add every value (when you've diagrammed, it's different from the formula, because the diagram accounts for all the things you would have to add or subtract twice or whatever).

Leaving out zeros: 5 + 6 + 4 + 4 = 19

Answer C
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This is the most clear explanation. Thanks for sharing.
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This is the most clear explanation. Thanks for sharing.
It's nice to get feedback. You're very welcome.
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Of the students in Tanner’s class, 8 wore a hat to school, 15 students wore gloves, and 10 wore scarves. None of the students wore a scarf without gloves. Four students wore a hat, gloves, and a scarf. Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves. How many students are in Tanner’s class?

A)33
B)23
C)19
D)15
E) Cannot be determined.
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I had to use this Venn diagram. Maybe it will help, because this problem is sneaky.

Hats = 8
Gloves = 15
Scarves = 10
H + G + S = 4

None of the students wore a scarf without gloves
Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves = 4

1. Start with most restrictive information, H + G + S = 4. Put 4 in the triple overlap (blue).

Next two most restrictive conditions, one at a time.

2. None of the students wore a scarf without gloves. If they had scarves on, they had gloves on, too.

So: ZERO students will wear scarves only. Put 0 in the yellow part.

ZERO of the students will wear scarves and hats only. Put 0 in H + S (purple)

And: if S, then G at least means S + G = 10. However, blue affects everything else. Blue is H + G + S.

S + G (green) looks very tempting in which to put S + G = 10 -- but the blue segment already has 4 of the 10 students who wore S and G.
10 - 4 = 6. Put 6 in S + G (green).

3. Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves, half = 4

Now G + H looks tempting. Check blue first. There are 4 students with H + G + S. This condition is covered.
Put 0 in G + H.

4. Final calculations: H only and G only

H only - every intersection around H only is filled with a number (white, blue, purple). Add them up. 0 + 0 + 4 = 4. Total H = 8.
8 - 4(in blue) = 4. Put 4 in H only.

G only - every intersection around G only is filled. Add the intersecting parts' (white, blue, green) numbers up: 0 + 4 + 6 = 10
Total G = 15. (15 - 10) = 5 in G only.

Now add every value (when you've diagrammed, it's different from the formula, because the diagram accounts for all the things you would have to add or subtract twice or whatever).

Leaving out zeros: 5 + 6 + 4 + 4 = 19

Answer C
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Love the diagram but what about the bare headed bare handed and bare necked. The question should say all the students wore something. So E is the real answer while I do believe C is the intended answer. perhaps there are 1,000 kids who wore nothing. then the answer is 1019 right?
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Good explanation, I also understand how it came up to 19. My question, quite similar to what Stonely asked, how do we determine the number of students who wore neither gloves, scarves, and hats? The question never states that all students wore at least gloves, scarves, or hats. We cannot make our own assumptions. Hence, I think the answer is E.
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Of the students in Tanner’s class, 8 wore a hat to school, 15 students wore gloves, and 10 wore scarves. None of the students wore a scarf without gloves. Four students wore a hat, gloves, and a scarf. Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves. How many students are in Tanner’s class?

A)33
B)23
C)19
D)15
E) Cannot be determined.


Solution:

Since none of the students wore a scarf without gloves, every student falls into exactly one of the following groups: 1) those who wear only gloves, 2) those who wear only a hat, 3) those who wear gloves and a scarf, and 4) those who wear all three.

The number of students who wear a scarf is 10, thus the number of students in groups 3 and 4 combined is 10. We are told that 4 students wore all three, thus the number of students who wear gloves and a scarf is 10 - 4 = 6.

The number of students who wear gloves is 15, thus the number of students in groups 1, 3 and 4 combined is 15. We know from the above calculation that the number of students in groups 3 and 4 is 10, thus the number of students in group 1 (which is the number of students who wear only gloves) 15 - 10 = 5.

The number of students who wear a hat is 8, thus the number of students in groups 2 and 4 combined is 8. We know the number of students in group 4 is 4, thus, the number of students in group 2 is 8 - 4 = 4.

It follows that the total number of students is group 1 + group 2 + group 3 + group 4 = 5 + 4 + 6 + 4 = 19.

Notice that we didn’t have to use the information that half of the students who wore a hat also wore a scarf.

Answer: C
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Why did we ignore the fact that there could be some students who wore none of the three accessories? We shouldn't be assuming that, right?

Shouldn't the answer be E in that case? Experts, please help!
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Shouldn't the question have specified that there are no students who do not wear any of these?. Without that information shouldn't E be the answer?
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Shouldn't the question have specified that there are no students who do not wear any of these?. Without that information shouldn't E be the answer?

You are right. Edited the question by adding "If every student wore at least one of these items, how many students are in Tanner's class?" Thank you!
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When you make a Venn diagram, you need to include a box around the circles. Items that are in the box, but not in the circles, are in the "none of the above" category. In this problem that means the n students who ARE in the class but are NOT in the circles (because they are wearing no hat, no gloves, and no scarf). While it's true that there are a total of 19 students within the three circles, the total number of students in the class is 19 + n. MAYBE n=0, but the problem does not tell us, so we cannot say for sure how many students are in the class. See official GMAT problem PS07112 for an example where you need to use a box around the circles in a Venn diagram to account for the "none of the above" category - GMATClub won't allow me to post a URL or a picture, but if you search for KyronPrep PS07112 on YouTube you'll find it.

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Need help with one -->

Of the students in Tanner’s class, 8 wore a hat to school, 15 students wore gloves, and 10 wore scarves. None of the students wore a scarf without gloves. Four students wore a hat, gloves, and a scarf. Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves. How many students are in Tanner’s class?

A)33
B)23
C)19
D)15
E) Cannot be determined.
Attachment:
HGSVenn.jpg

I had to use this Venn diagram. Maybe it will help, because this problem is sneaky.

Hats = 8
Gloves = 15
Scarves = 10
H + G + S = 4

None of the students wore a scarf without gloves
Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves = 4

1. Start with most restrictive information, H + G + S = 4. Put 4 in the triple overlap (blue).

Next two most restrictive conditions, one at a time.

2. None of the students wore a scarf without gloves. If they had scarves on, they had gloves on, too.

So: ZERO students will wear scarves only. Put 0 in the yellow part.

ZERO of the students will wear scarves and hats only. Put 0 in H + S (purple)

And: if S, then G at least means S + G = 10. However, blue affects everything else. Blue is H + G + S.

S + G (green) looks very tempting in which to put S + G = 10 -- but the blue segment already has 4 of the 10 students who wore S and G.
10 - 4 = 6. Put 6 in S + G (green).

3. Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves, half = 4

Now G + H looks tempting. Check blue first. There are 4 students with H + G + S. This condition is covered.
Put 0 in G + H.

4. Final calculations: H only and G only

H only - every intersection around H only is filled with a number (white, blue, purple). Add them up. 0 + 0 + 4 = 4. Total H = 8.
8 - 4(in blue) = 4. Put 4 in H only.

G only - every intersection around G only is filled. Add the intersecting parts' (white, blue, green) numbers up: 0 + 4 + 6 = 10
Total G = 15. (15 - 10) = 5 in G only.

Now add every value (when you've diagrammed, it's different from the formula, because the diagram accounts for all the things you would have to add or subtract twice or whatever).

Leaving out zeros: 5 + 6 + 4 + 4 = 19

Answer C
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When you make a Venn diagram, you need to include a box around the circles. Items that are in the box, but not in the circles, are in the "none of the above" category. In this problem that means the n students who ARE in the class but are NOT in the circles (because they are wearing no hat, no gloves, and no scarf). While it's true that there are a total of 19 students within the three circles, the total number of students in the class is 19 + n. MAYBE n=0, but the problem does not tell us, so we cannot say for sure how many students are in the class. See official GMAT problem PS07112 for an example where you need to use a box around the circles in a Venn diagram to account for the "none of the above" category - GMATClub won't allow me to post a URL or a picture, but if you search for KyronPrep PS07112 on YouTube you'll find it.

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Of the students in Tanner’s class, 8 wore a hat to school, 15 students wore gloves, and 10 wore scarves. None of the students wore a scarf without gloves. Four students wore a hat, gloves, and a scarf. Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves. How many students are in Tanner’s class?

A)33
B)23
C)19
D)15
E) Cannot be determined.
Attachment:
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I had to use this Venn diagram. Maybe it will help, because this problem is sneaky.

Hats = 8
Gloves = 15
Scarves = 10
H + G + S = 4

None of the students wore a scarf without gloves
Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves = 4

1. Start with most restrictive information, H + G + S = 4. Put 4 in the triple overlap (blue).

Next two most restrictive conditions, one at a time.

2. None of the students wore a scarf without gloves. If they had scarves on, they had gloves on, too.

So: ZERO students will wear scarves only. Put 0 in the yellow part.

ZERO of the students will wear scarves and hats only. Put 0 in H + S (purple)

And: if S, then G at least means S + G = 10. However, blue affects everything else. Blue is H + G + S.

S + G (green) looks very tempting in which to put S + G = 10 -- but the blue segment already has 4 of the 10 students who wore S and G.
10 - 4 = 6. Put 6 in S + G (green).

3. Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves, half = 4

Now G + H looks tempting. Check blue first. There are 4 students with H + G + S. This condition is covered.
Put 0 in G + H.

4. Final calculations: H only and G only

H only - every intersection around H only is filled with a number (white, blue, purple). Add them up. 0 + 0 + 4 = 4. Total H = 8.
8 - 4(in blue) = 4. Put 4 in H only.

G only - every intersection around G only is filled. Add the intersecting parts' (white, blue, green) numbers up: 0 + 4 + 6 = 10
Total G = 15. (15 - 10) = 5 in G only.

Now add every value (when you've diagrammed, it's different from the formula, because the diagram accounts for all the things you would have to add or subtract twice or whatever).

Leaving out zeros: 5 + 6 + 4 + 4 = 19

Answer C
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Have you checked this part of the stem "If every student wore at least one of these items, ..."?
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Bunuel, if you check the question stem, you will see that it does not contain the words "If every student wore at least one of these items, ...". The question stem under discussion, as posted originally by stonecold, says "Of the students in Tanner’s class, 8 wore a hat to school, 15 students wore gloves, and 10 wore scarves. None of the students wore a scarf without gloves. Four students wore a hat, gloves, and a scarf. Half of the students who wore a hat also wore gloves. How many students are in Tanner’s class?"

By the way, the question stem is published in Manhattan Prep's "5 lb. Book of GRE Practice Problems, Fourth Edition" as a numeric entry problem (without the answer choices). Whoever originally wrote the problem for Kaplan / Manhattan simply forgot to state that every student wore at least one of these items.
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