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The thing that bothers me with question like the third one, is when they ask, "was about the same".

What qualifies as "about the same"? 10% 20%?

How should we approach the subjective and ambiguous term, "about the same"? Or something simliar like, " slighty more/less"?
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Hi Hitman,

It's actually a clue that the answer is likely to be false... as you say it's hard to work out exactly what that means...

In this instance read the question carefully. It's asking about 'unadjusted' prices - but all the monthly data we ahve is for 'adjusted' so we can;t have enough info.

So in this instance, we don't need to stress about what counts as about the same...

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I hope below explanation will help:
1) I observed the number of time values was constant (no change in % of CPI(U), for ALL Item it was only 1 instance between July & Aug for the given period however for other item it was 2 (Mar-apr, aug-sep): Hence Answer => True
2) Straight forwards, whatever be the value of %, the value has decreased from 0.5 to .3, so regardless, what ever may be the case. It couldn't have increased in any universe. - FALSE
3) May (CPI-U) = 0.1% Sep Value: 0%: Clearly value much have decreased for CPI -U to be Zero.: - FALSE

I am open to learn, if there is better way to solve it.
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A bit late with the reply. In this case, Question 2 is fairly straightforward. you just to look at the 0.1 in the very first cell (A1), which indicates the prices have gone up by 0.1 since the previous month. Thus it was higher.
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Posting a reply to this- agree with previous users that the meaning of something being "inferable" is confusing and still trying to wrap my head around 1. I'm trying to figure out whether something being inferable means it's TRUE/FALSE or that we have the data to figure out if it's TRUE/FALSE. I think it has to do with having the data to figure out if it's true or false, given the answer to #3.

OAs are 1) No 2) Yes 3) No.

2's answer makes sense because you can infer that information from the chart- March 2010 is positive which means it increased from Feb 2010. 3's answer makes sense because we don't have the unadjusted for individual items- we cannot say if it is even true or false.

Now 1 didn't make sense until I thought about the specific wordings for magnitude- we don't have the absolute values of changes in seasonally adjusted prices (just percentage changes), hence we cannot determine magnitude.
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1)No,since the overall change changes in seasonally adjusted prices for transportation services between March 2010 and September 2010 were, on average is +ve while l the changes in seasonally adjusted prices of energy services for the same period is negative.

2)Yes,The seasonally adjusted price for used cars and trucks was higher in Sep 2010 than it was in Mar 2010.
Since in March it has only seen an increment of 0.5% while in September the overall increment is higher.

3)Yes,The magnitude of the seasonally unadjusted price change of apparel in Sep 2010 over the previous year was more than the combined seasonally adjusted price changes in Mar 2010 and Apr 2010 over their respective previous month. Since in September it is -0.6 while in March and April it is -1.1

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Official Explanation

1. For each of the following, select Yes if the statement is inferable from the given information. Otherwise select No.

In the table, the absolute values of the numbers in the "Seasonally adjusted changes from preceding month" columns represent the magnitudes of seasonally adjusted changes. In each of the seven columns representing the months from March 2010 through September 2010, the absolute value of the number in the "Used cars and trucks" row exceeds that of the number in the "New vehicles" row. Thus, in every month shown during this period, the magnitude of the change in seasonally adjusted prices for used cars and trucks is greater, not less, than that of the change in seasonally adjusted prices for new vehicles.

The correct answer is No.

The number at the intersection of the "Mar 2010" column and the "All items" row is 0.1. As the table title and the multicolumn header indicate, this means the seasonally adjusted CPI-U for all items collectively was 0.1% higher in March 2010 than it was in the preceding month.

The correct answer is Yes.

The only seasonally unadjusted changes in prices shown in the table are those in the final column, which are for the whole 12-month period ending September 2010. The table contains no information about seasonally unadjusted changes in prices between any specific month and the preceding month.

The correct answer is No.
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VeritasKarishma - focussing on the question stem specifically
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1. For each of the following, select Yes if the statement is inferable from the given information. Otherwise select No.

Yes.................No...................
The changes in seasonally adjusted prices for used cars and trucks between March 2010 and September 2010 were in most cases less in magnitude than the changes in seasonally adjusted prices of new vehicles for the same period.
The seasonally adjusted CPI-U for all items was higher in March 2010 than in the previous month.
The seasonally unadjusted change in the price of new vehicles in August 2010 over the previous month was about the same as the seasonally unadjusted change in the price of food away from home over the same period.

What is the accurate re-wording of the blue above in your view ? Is it

Rewording attempt I) "Is the statement true or false" ? Select "Yes" if true or select "No" if false.
OR
Rewording attempt II) "Is the information given in the table sufficient to answer the question" ?


If it is rewording attempt # 1 then the OA solution to the 3rd question doesnt make sense in my view.

The solution given to the 3rd question is "NO", not because statement 3 is "FALSE" but because data from the table is just not available to confirm if the 3rd statement is True OR false to begin with

What are your thoughts
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VeritasKarishma - focussing on the question stem specifically
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1. For each of the following, select Yes if the statement is inferable from the given information. Otherwise select No.

Yes.................No...................
The changes in seasonally adjusted prices for used cars and trucks between March 2010 and September 2010 were in most cases less in magnitude than the changes in seasonally adjusted prices of new vehicles for the same period.
The seasonally adjusted CPI-U for all items was higher in March 2010 than in the previous month.
The seasonally unadjusted change in the price of new vehicles in August 2010 over the previous month was about the same as the seasonally unadjusted change in the price of food away from home over the same period.

What is the accurate re-wording of the blue above in your view ? Is it

Rewording attempt I) "Is the statement true or false" ? Select "Yes" if true or select "No" if false.
OR
Rewording attempt II) "Is the information given in the table sufficient to answer the question" ?


If it is rewording attempt # 1 then the OA solution to the 3rd question doesnt make sense in my view.

The solution given to the 3rd question is "NO", not because statement 3 is "FALSE" but because data from the table is just not available to confirm if the 3rd statement is True OR false to begin with

What are your thoughts

"Inferable" means "Can I say that it is true?"

So to know whether you can infer a statement, select "Yes" if you can say that it is true and select "No" if it is not true or you don't know enough.
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For Prompt 1, Magnitude means absolute size of the change, ignoring whether it’s an increase or decrease.

Example: a change from +0.1 to -0.2 means a magnitude of 0.3. So, -0.7 means a magnitude of 0.7.

Don't confuse it with the absolute value of change. In that case you might assume we need the base amount for finding the magnitude i.e. 0.1% of X. (X = Base)
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I got this wrong initially, but I think this is really a classic "read carefully" question.

First, the instructions: "For each of the following, select Yes if the statement is inferable from the given information." Notice it doesn't ask for whether the statement is true. So, similar to a DS question, you have to just be able to prove the answer is right.

1. I got this question wrong because of misreading. Notice the statement says: "The changes in seasonally adjusted prices...were in most cases less in magnitude than." Two things this should tell you. First, the direction (positive or negative) doesn't matter, just the magnitude (almost like an absolute value). Second, you would need to know the actual average price of the good because the questions is asking about changes in price. Because we don't have the actual average price for any of these goods / services, this statement cannot be inferred. So, No.
2. This can be inferred since March contains a month-over-month comparison.
3. Because we don't know the exact mechanism for seasonality adjustment, we cannot infer that statement.
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"The changes in seasonally adjusted prices for used cars and trucks between March 2010 and September 2010 were in most cases less in magnitude than the changes in seasonally adjusted prices of new vehicles for the same period."
bb first statement asks for the change in the magnitude however the table deals with the percentage change. More percentage change in one category doesn't mean more magnitude change. I depends on the base values of that category, which is not given. On this basis, I chose "No" for the statement. Howevr no other post is talking about the base value. every post is dealing with the magnitude of the percentages only
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"The changes in seasonally adjusted prices for used cars and trucks between March 2010 and September 2010 were in most cases less in magnitude than the changes in seasonally adjusted prices of new vehicles for the same period."
bb first statement asks for the change in the magnitude however the table deals with the percentage change. More percentage change in one category doesn't mean more magnitude change. I depends on the base values of that category, which is not given. On this basis, I chose "No" for the statement. Howevr no other post is talking about the base value. every post is dealing with the magnitude of the percentages only
I see where you are coming from. However, in the statement the phrase “the changes in seasonally adjusted prices” uses the word “the” to refer back to the changes already defined in the table. The table header says “Percent Changes in CPI for All Urban Consumers”. So the statement is talking about the size of those percent changes, not dollar amounts based on unknown base values.
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hey @Bunel,
for Gasoline(all types) the change is -0.8
for Energy all the change is 0(means not higher),

Then how come second statement can be true?:
" The seasonally adjusted CPI-U for all items was higher in March 2010 than in the previous month. "

I get it rest of them are positive but as the statement mentioned all, then in my opinion, it should be false no?
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A bit late with the reply. In this case, Question 2 is fairly straightforward. you just to look at the 0.1 in the very first cell (A1), which indicates the prices have gone up by 0.1 since the previous month. Thus it was higher.
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hey @Bunel,
for Gasoline(all types) the change is -0.8
for Energy all the change is 0(means not higher),

Then how come second statement can be true?:
" The seasonally adjusted CPI-U for all items was higher in March 2010 than in the previous month. "

I get it rest of them are positive but as the statement mentioned all, then in my opinion, it should be false no?


The seasonally adjusted CPI-U for all items was higher in March 2010 than in the previous month.

"All items" there is a category, the first one in the table, not all the categories together.



P.S. This is discussed in the solutions of the thread. Please review.
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Hi,

I can relate to your doubt, meaning of something being "inferable" is whether we can successfully infer the answer or not! However, looking at the Official Solution, I finally conclude that the question asks us to determine if the statement can be inferred as True or False.
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Posting a reply to this- agree with previous users that the meaning of something being "inferable" is confusing and still trying to wrap my head around 1. I'm trying to figure out whether something being inferable means it's TRUE/FALSE or that we have the data to figure out if it's TRUE/FALSE. I think it has to do with having the data to figure out if it's true or false, given the answer to #3.

OAs are 1) No 2) Yes 3) No.

2's answer makes sense because you can infer that information from the chart- March 2010 is positive which means it increased from Feb 2010. 3's answer makes sense because we don't have the unadjusted for individual items- we cannot say if it is even true or false.

Now 1 didn't make sense until I thought about the specific wordings for magnitude- we don't have the absolute values of changes in seasonally adjusted prices (just percentage changes), hence we cannot determine magnitude.
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The Consumer Price Index (CPI) measures the average prices of goods and services purchased by consumers. In the United States, the CPI-U calculates the CPI for all urban consumers.

The CPI-U Is calculated based on prices of food, clothing, shelter, fuels, transportation fares, charges for doctors' and dentists' services, drugs, and other goods and services that people buy for day-to-day living. All taxes directly associated with the purchase and use of items (such as, In the United States, sales taxes) are included in the index. An increase In CPI-U by a certain fractional amount means an increase by that fractional amount in overall prices within the relevant category.

For analyzing general price trends in the economy, seasonally adjusted prices are usually preferred over unadjusted prices because adjusting eliminates the effect of changes that normally occur at the same time and in about the same magnitude every year—such as price movements resulting from climatic conditions, production cycles, model changeovers, and holidays.

Percent Changes in CPI for All Urban Consumers (CPI-U), US City Average

______________________________Seasonally adjusted changes from preceding month______________
CategoryMar
2010
Apr
2010
May
2010
Jun
2010
Jul
2010
Aug
2010
Sep
2010
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ended Sep 2010
All items0.1-0.1-0.2-0.10.30.30.11.1
Food (all)0.20.200-0.10.20.31.4
Food (at home)0.50.20-0.1-0.100.31.4
Food (away from home)00.10.10.100.30.31.4
Energy (all)0-1.4-2.9-2.92.62.30.73.8
Gasoline (all types)-0.8-2.4-5.2-4.54.63.91.65.1
Fuel oil0.72.3-1.4-3.2-1.60.90.811.8
Energy services1.4-0.5-0.5-1.60.80.4-0.81.5
Electricity2.10.7-0.4-2.20.50.2-0.31.1
All items less food and energy000.10.20.1000.8
New vehicles0.100.10.10.10.30.12.1
Used cars and trucks0.50.20.60.90.80.7-0.712.9
Apparel-0.4-0.70.20.80.6-0.1-0.6-1.2
Services less energy services (all)0.10.20.10.10.100.10.8
Shelter-0.100.10.10.100-0.4
Transportation services0.40.40.4000.10.33
Medical care services0.30.300.400.20.83.7

For each of the following, select Yes if the statement is inferable from the given information. Otherwise select No.

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The changes in seasonally adjusted prices for used cars and trucks between March 2010 and September 2010 were in most cases less in magnitude than the changes in seasonally adjusted prices of new vehicles for the same period.
No

You can see that the values of new vehicles fluctuates b/w 0 to 0.3 and in most cases its 0.1
but Used cars and trucks fluctuates heavily from -0.7 to 0.9

The seasonally adjusted CPI-U for all items was higher in March 2010 than in the previous month.
Yes

0.1 is positive, So yes March has a higher adjusted CPI-U

The seasonally unadjusted change in the price of new vehicles in August 2010 over the previous month was about the same as the seasonally unadjusted change in the price of food away from home over the same period.
No

We have no data to answer this because unadjusted data is given in last column only which is for the whole year.
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