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Calling All Michigan Ross MBA Applicants: 2022 Intake (Class of 2024) Updated on: 24 Nov 2021, 02:09
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mpurvi, https://michiganross.umich.edu/graduate ... er-request

mpurvi, For Round 2 the deadline to submit the gmat/gre waiver request is 29th Nov. So please take a note on that!
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Yield last year was 37%, the previous year 46% which is a wide variance. That means we’re looking at 800 - 1100 acceptances over the full admissions cycle.

That being said, none of that matters at an individual level - if your app is not good enough, the school won’t accept you. They have no incentive to keep the same class size each year apart from collecting fees, and have incentive through rankings to in fact accept fewer applicants (makes the program more selective). You’ve done your bit, now its up to the school. If you’ve finished your interview, its time to sit back and relax :)
37% was in 2020 and not in 2021 due to obvious reasons of covid. The yield rate of Ross has hovered around 45-50% in any normal year. Having said that, I think if a school invites an applicant for the interview, they consider an applicant to be fit enough for their school. Agree that schools have the ranking game to play always, and the acceptance rate is one such metric they would want to keep control of, but I don’t think they will drastically change the class size by +/- 20% just to boost the rankings.
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Yes, that was 2020 but I mentioned it as a marker of variance. If Ross sees this year (and we really have no idea whether they do or not) as similar to last in terms of variability, then they can easily take in more people into the interview pool, to only waitlist more after interview to protect themselves.

I would argue though that a school granting an interview is their showing that they believe you will succeed in the program from an ability perspective - as evidenced by your GMAT, resume, recs, etc. - but the interview is the primary means of assessing fit. The interview is where they can assess personality, knowledge of the program, energy and excitement, etc. And I would argue further that Michigan Ross would place more weight on their interviews than other schools because their application is so light. 2x 100 word essays, 1x 200 word essay and no place for ECs or any of the usual 'extras' to an app provides very little space for personality to come through an app, the way a Fuqua app might (for example).

Regardless, the point of my post was to say that it all comes down to the individual - if the school doesn't like you, they aren't going to accept you into their program begrudgingly just to meet artificial benchmarks like acceptance rates or yield rates.
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mpurvi, Please see my previous responses on this thread regarding the gre/gmat waiver request. All the best!
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TWIC, what’s the guarantee of ECs coming out in the interview process as well? Whatever behavioral questions I was asked they all had to be answered from a professional work ex only and that is what is usually recommended by current students as well. What I’m saying basically is yes Ross’ application is really light but how do you think they are assessing fit (not passion, not excitement, not knowledge and research about the program) but fit for the school when the entire interview or the behavioural questions atleast are focused almost entirely (not completely) on the professional life
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In my case I introduced elements that demonstrated fit and EC readiness. I deliberately spoke to them after regular interview questions. Then I think the resume is another place to introduce those things or hint at them. At the end of the day, no one is sure.
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TWIC, what’s the guarantee of ECs coming out in the interview process as well? Whatever behavioral questions I was asked they all had to be answered from a professional work ex only and that is what is usually recommended by current students as well. What I’m saying basically is yes Ross’ application is really light but how do you think they are assessing fit (not passion, not excitement, not knowledge and research about the program) but fit for the school when the entire interview or the behavioural questions atleast are focused almost entirely (not completely) on the professional life
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In my case I introduced elements that demonstrated fit and EC readiness. I deliberately spoke to them after regular interview questions. Then I think the resume is another place to introduce those things or hint at them. At the end of the day, no one is sure.
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TWIC, what’s the guarantee of ECs coming out in the interview process as well? Whatever behavioral questions I was asked they all had to be answered from a professional work ex only and that is what is usually recommended by current students as well. What I’m saying basically is yes Ross’ application is really light but how do you think they are assessing fit (not passion, not excitement, not knowledge and research about the program) but fit for the school when the entire interview or the behavioural questions atleast are focused almost entirely (not completely) on the professional life

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I agree that resume is another place to talk about our ECs in a bit of detail. I've pinged you on personal chat about a related aspect.
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TWIC, what’s the guarantee of ECs coming out in the interview process as well? Whatever behavioral questions I was asked they all had to be answered from a professional work ex only and that is what is usually recommended by current students as well. What I’m saying basically is yes Ross’ application is really light but how do you think they are assessing fit (not passion, not excitement, not knowledge and research about the program) but fit for the school when the entire interview or the behavioural questions atleast are focused almost entirely (not completely) on the professional life
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You might be anchoring on the wrong aspect - EC's are a part of an applicant's profile that can demonstrate many aspects of personality such as being community-focused, pursuing your passions, highlighting commitment if you have longer term EC's. They add colour to a profile and show how you interact with your community outside of the workplace, i.e. outside of a more controlled, predictable environment. However, if you've managed to demonstrate that through your answers to professional questions then there is no need to worry. You might have started a work initiative, or be on committees, or help arrange social functions. All of that shows community engagement. Its just that most schools ask for ECs in the application itself, and so they get a sense of how you interact with your wider community and then infer how you would interact with the school's community outside of the classroom.

Bear in mind that this is just a hypothesis, but its telling that Michigan Ross has such a light application and is one of the few schools to not ask about ECs explicitly. So how can they assess your wider community engagement? Especially for a school driven by its 'Go Blue' culture, community engagement, fit, and personality are so important. Every person you ask about Ross will tell you that there culture permeates many aspects of the experience.

To answer your question directly though, there isn't a guarantee of ECs being explicitly asked but I've seen that questions vary a lot between different interviewers. In my Ross interview, after walking the interviewer through my resume, he and I spent 5 minutes chatting about my interest in sports because I mentioned that its something I'm quite passionate about. And there is also some responsibility on the interviewee to manage the information they present to the interviewer as well. For example, in my Haas interview I was asked "is there anything else you would like me to tell the adcom about you" and I mentioned specifically how I would contribute to the Haas community given my previous community engagement experiences.
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TWIC, what’s the guarantee of ECs coming out in the interview process as well? Whatever behavioral questions I was asked they all had to be answered from a professional work ex only and that is what is usually recommended by current students as well. What I’m saying basically is yes Ross’ application is really light but how do you think they are assessing fit (not passion, not excitement, not knowledge and research about the program) but fit for the school when the entire interview or the behavioural questions atleast are focused almost entirely (not completely) on the professional life
You might be anchoring on the wrong aspect - EC's are a part of an applicant's profile that can demonstrate many aspects of personality such as being community-focused, pursuing your passions, highlighting commitment if you have longer term EC's. They add colour to a profile and show how you interact with your community outside of the workplace, i.e. outside of a more controlled, predictable environment. However, if you've managed to demonstrate that through your answers to professional questions then there is no need to worry. You might have started a work initiative, or be on committees, or help arrange social functions. All of that shows community engagement. Its just that most schools ask for ECs in the application itself, and so they get a sense of how you interact with your wider community and then infer how you would interact with the school's community outside of the classroom.

Bear in mind that this is just a hypothesis, but its telling that Michigan Ross has such a light application and is one of the few schools to not ask about ECs explicitly. So how can they assess your wider community engagement? Especially for a school driven by its 'Go Blue' culture, community engagement, fit, and personality are so important. Every person you ask about Ross will tell you that there culture permeates many aspects of the experience.

To answer your question directly though, there isn't a guarantee of ECs being explicitly asked but I've seen that questions vary a lot between different interviewers. In my Ross interview, after walking the interviewer through my resume, he and I spent 5 minutes chatting about my interest in sports because I mentioned that its something I'm quite passionate about. And there is also some responsibility on the interviewee to manage the information they present to the interviewer as well. For example, in my Haas interview I was asked "is there anything else you would like me to tell the adcom about you" and I mentioned specifically how I would contribute to the Haas community given my previous community engagement experiences.
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That's a good way to put it and I agree with your points here. I did talk about my community initiatives, certain clubs that I had founded during my post graduation and couple of more pointers during Tell me about yourself and also during Why Ross. So I guess, I might be adequately covered on that front. Me and my interviewer connected on currency collection for a couple of minutes. But yes, after the interview, I still felt that the questions were as such that I couldn't talk about either some other critical work projects which I had in pipeline after the best ones or more ECs and all. That being said, I agree that Ross is a very culture fit sort of school and I hope they assess that by not just our answers to the behavioural questions, but perhaps also from the passion for the school, the kind of research done and what we said during Why MBA Why Ross etc.
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TWIC, what’s the guarantee of ECs coming out in the interview process as well? Whatever behavioral questions I was asked they all had to be answered from a professional work ex only and that is what is usually recommended by current students as well. What I’m saying basically is yes Ross’ application is really light but how do you think they are assessing fit (not passion, not excitement, not knowledge and research about the program) but fit for the school when the entire interview or the behavioural questions atleast are focused almost entirely (not completely) on the professional life
You might be anchoring on the wrong aspect - EC's are a part of an applicant's profile that can demonstrate many aspects of personality such as being community-focused, pursuing your passions, highlighting commitment if you have longer term EC's. They add colour to a profile and show how you interact with your community outside of the workplace, i.e. outside of a more controlled, predictable environment. However, if you've managed to demonstrate that through your answers to professional questions then there is no need to worry. You might have started a work initiative, or be on committees, or help arrange social functions. All of that shows community engagement. Its just that most schools ask for ECs in the application itself, and so they get a sense of how you interact with your wider community and then infer how you would interact with the school's community outside of the classroom.

Bear in mind that this is just a hypothesis, but its telling that Michigan Ross has such a light application and is one of the few schools to not ask about ECs explicitly. So how can they assess your wider community engagement? Especially for a school driven by its 'Go Blue' culture, community engagement, fit, and personality are so important. Every person you ask about Ross will tell you that there culture permeates many aspects of the experience.

To answer your question directly though, there isn't a guarantee of ECs being explicitly asked but I've seen that questions vary a lot between different interviewers. In my Ross interview, after walking the interviewer through my resume, he and I spent 5 minutes chatting about my interest in sports because I mentioned that its something I'm quite passionate about. And there is also some responsibility on the interviewee to manage the information they present to the interviewer as well. For example, in my Haas interview I was asked "is there anything else you would like me to tell the adcom about you" and I mentioned specifically how I would contribute to the Haas community given my previous community engagement experiences.
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I've just sent you a message on personal chat :)
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Do we need to send official score reports to Ross at the time of application?
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It is too quiet in here.

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Aptly put. 10 days to go. They will likely phone US students on the 6th, internationals on the 7th and portal update for all on the 8th.

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Given the timings, I wasnt able to attend the classes. Does this really matter when it comes to the decision ?
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if you have expressed your interactions with the community in the application and attended few networking events...not attending these events dont make you a bad candidate
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What mock class?

I was never invited to any mock classes
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if you have expressed your interactions with the community in the application and attended few networking events...not attending these events dont make you a bad candidate
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Agreed. I think at this stage, it's very unlikely that you'd be denied purely because you didn't attend a mock class.

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Calling All Michigan Ross MBA Applicants: 2022 Intake (Class of 2024) 27 Nov 2021, 06:23
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oh actually I signed up for two mock classes, that was too long ago, I don’t even remember if I showed up
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Calling All Michigan Ross MBA Applicants: 2022 Intake (Class of 2024) 27 Nov 2021, 06:26
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Yup there were 5 classes in total plus some other events
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