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I don't agree with the explanation. I am still not convinced why it is not E. C says "in many", not 'mostly', or 'all'. Whereas E says the single patron was "rare"- I feel like that is a better indicator of what was more common and therefore E should be the answer.

  1. This is a MOST UNDERMINE question. This is not ultimate complete, therefore "all" or "many" is not a reason to rule out a choice.
  2. How does having a single patron commissioning the artwork is undermining the signatures? Why is it different from having multiple patrons? We have to assume that the Patron has somehow requested the works to be signed, and perhaps this was the case but we are told this was RARE for the single patron to request the artwork from the same artist. This does not tell us anything about other artists and if they were signing or not signing their works, we are just told that this is was a weird situation in this one case and it may or may not reflect the general trend.
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I did not quite understand the solution. I didn't understand the difference between C and D, can you explain the reason to rule out D.
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I did not quite understand the solution. I didn't understand the difference between C and D, can you explain the reason to rule out D.


Sure. Happy to help.

Answer choice D) Some of the Maya sculptures that have been discovered are not signed, even when they depict important rulers and ceremonies.

This answer choice is neutral. It seems it is telling us something but in reality, it simply tells us that not all Maya works were signed. This fact does not prove either fact, that signing never happened or was very common. Since many traditions can coexist (some works signed, others not), we cannot use this information for any specific purpose.

P.S. Also keep in mind that the question asks "most undermine" so even if 5 answer choices undermine the conclusion (not realistic of course to happen on the GMAT) but if you feel something may undermine and something undermines with more certainty or degree, then the answer that undermines the most/with more certainty is going to be the answer.
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I like the solution - it’s helpful.
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Why not the answer to this question is A, if we want to undermine the signature, wouldn't it help to say that other artists followed the same practise but their's just faded. This option makes the practise look common and irrelevant
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Why not the answer to this question is A, if we want to undermine the signature, wouldn't it help to say that other artists followed the same practise but their's just faded. This option makes the practise look common and irrelevant

Hi. A) is actually the opposite - it strengthens the concept that artworks were always signed or mostly signed basically.
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I did not quite understand the question and I did not quite understand the solution. Kindly provide the explanation of Q2
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Hello KarishmaB unraveled MartyMurray

Can you please clarify why is the correct answer Option C, and not Option E? I did not quite understand the explanation in the above replies.

Thanks in Advance!!
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Hello KarishmaB unraveled MartyMurray

Can you please clarify why is the correct answer Option C, and not Option E? I did not quite understand the explanation in the above replies.

Thanks in Advance!!

Hi Feb2024, In short, Option E is not relevant. It tells us that this was a special case scenario but we lack knowledge if there was a cause and effect between the two, and therefore, it is not conclusive/convincing as evidence of the practice of Maya artists signing their works

"Chakalte's signed works were commissioned by a single royal patron, which was a rare practice among Maya rulers" - that tells us that this was a unique case/situation and may or may not potentially apply to other situations. It does not impact the signing, it just happens to be another piece of data, and thus, this is not helpful in evaluating the significance of signatures. We don't know if the signed works were signed because they were commissioned by a single patron or that was the practice and they just happened to be signed while also commissioned by a single patron.

Answer choice E) is weaker than C)
C) gives us a clear answer that the general custom was against signing work, making Chakalte's work an outlier rather than evidence of a common practice. If individual attribution was typically omitted because art was seen as a community effort, then Chakalte signing his name would be unusual and therefore less indicative of a widespread "practice of Maya artists signing their works."
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The passage says - "Royal courts employed full-time painters and sculptors, some of whom signed their creations." Which means some of them did sign but acc. to q, we have to undermine the significance of "Chakalte’s signed artwork as evidence" of the practice of Maya artists signing their works - i.e. - Chakalte’s work is not an evidence of signed Mayan artist's work. Which could mean that signed painting might have been a fake or an artwork created much later or a fictional work. Option B points to that!

Is it a wrong thinking?
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Thanks for clarifying. I was confused between C and E
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I got this question right because C did make clear cut sense to me.

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I think the structuring and implication of E is quite ambiguous I feel. I wonder if its because I am from India and english being not my first language..


Chakalte's signed works were commissioned by a single royal patron, which was a rare practice among Maya rulers during the Classic Period.

This can imply that signed work by a single royal patron maybe rare practice but signed work by multiple patron might not be so rare. So clearly implying works being signed a general practice.


Ah but this strengthens and not weakens.

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That's an interesting twist. I would say that on the GMAT CR (RC is sort of related), you have to be careful about assuming that if something happens, then the opposite will not happen, unless it is a clearly mutually exclusive situation. In this case, you cannot assume that if the practice was rare for a single patron, it was not rare for multiple. We just do not know. These are not mutually exclusive or binary in any way unfortunately.

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I got this question right because C did make clear cut sense to me.

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I think the structuring and implication of E is quite ambiguous I feel. I wonder if its because I am from India and english being not my first language..


Chakalte's signed works were commissioned by a single royal patron, which was a rare practice among Maya rulers during the Classic Period.

This can imply that signed work by a single royal patron maybe rare practice but signed work by multiple patron might not be so rare. So clearly implying works being signed a general practice.


Ah but this strengthens and not weakens.

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I am making a list / structure of patterns of logic and fallacy list so I can detect/process things quickly and I missed this one. It is quite important one, I wonder why I never came across it. I will add it.

Thank you bb.


I actually was talking about option D and E of the 500 Electrician passed and 500 electrician failed question.
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But the passage itself says: " Royal courts employed full-time painters and sculptors, some of whom signed their creations". So how can we choose a choice that undermines a statement given in the passage itself?
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Hi Feb2024, In short, Option E is not relevant. It tells us that this was a special case scenario but we lack knowledge if there was a cause and effect between the two, and therefore, it is not conclusive/convincing as evidence of the practice of Maya artists signing their works

"Chakalte's signed works were commissioned by a single royal patron, which was a rare practice among Maya rulers" - that tells us that this was a unique case/situation and may or may not potentially apply to other situations. It does not impact the signing, it just happens to be another piece of data, and thus, this is not helpful in evaluating the significance of signatures. We don't know if the signed works were signed because they were commissioned by a single patron or that was the practice and they just happened to be signed while also commissioned by a single patron.

Answer choice E) is weaker than C)
C) gives us a clear answer that the general custom was against signing work, making Chakalte's work an outlier rather than evidence of a common practice. If individual attribution was typically omitted because art was seen as a community effort, then Chakalte signing his name would be unusual and therefore less indicative of a widespread "practice of Maya artists signing their works."
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Hi arushi118,

The key idea here is that the passage notes Chakalte signed his works, which aligns with the earlier mention that some Maya artists signed their creations. But the real question is whether that can be taken as evidence that signing was a standard practice among most Maya artists of that time. What the question is really testing is whether this assumption can be weakened, that is, whether signing may have been limited to a few individuals rather than being a widespread norm. It's important to note that neither the passage, the question, nor the answer choices deny that some artists signed their work. The debate is about whether this was common or exceptional.
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But the passage itself says: " Royal courts employed full-time painters and sculptors, some of whom signed their creations". So how can we choose a choice that undermines a statement given in the passage itself?

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