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05 Mar 2009, 10:55
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Long time lurker (original member from 2006ish but changed names because my original name was a little too obvious to who I was), looking for some assistance in developing an application strategy.
Brief overview: From a small rural southern town, went to large public university (enrollment approx 5-6 times population of town I grew up in
). Graduated in political science and economics spring 2006, and have worked for banks since graduating, supporting derivatives trading. I want to get an MBA to make the move into research. Short term goal would be to work in fixed income research for a sell side firm (I believe there will be a reduction in reliance on the ratings agencies for fixed income products). Long term goal would be either to move into in house investment strategy or portfolio management, or maybe moving to a buy side firm for portfolio management.
Program: Full-time MBA
Area of interest: Finance – Investment Management/Research
GMAT: 710 (92%ile), 48q 40v, AWA : 5.5
GPA: ~3.0 overall (+/- .05, took courses at community colleges that would be factored)
-I made A-A+ in precalc, calc, business statistics, intro to finite math, and some econ courses…taking this into account with my 48Q I believe my low GPA is alittle different than some (my lower grades are in non-quant courses
Major: Doubled in Political Science and Economics (relatively well-known state school)
Work experience:
- Either 4 (c/o 2012) or 5 (c/o 2013) years at matriculation.
- Current – greater than 2 years experience, well known commercial bank that had grown into investment banking, role was analyst in middle office, still operational, but more risk/p&l type work. Supported a structured credit trading desk, on trading floor with daily interaction with traders. Also, no one directly reported to me, but I should be able to pull some leadership type story out of project leadership type work, and should be able to make it sound decent.
- First job – 7 months, well known investment bank, operations analyst in trade support for credit and interest rate derivatives (off site), it was a new group and the job was a little too mind numbing, I should be able to make it sound better in essays and make it sound like a stepping stone.
- Actively searching for next role, targeting either a supervisory role in operations or maybe a move to a more front office role.
- I plan to get a solid recommendation from a supervisor at current job.
Nationality: US (Caucasian)
Age: 25 (current)
Gender: Male (married)
Extra-curricular/community:
- In college, my EC activities were pretty minor, worked some and maybe a member of a few clubs, no leadership.
- While at the first company, I participated in Habitat, I also played on the company softball team.
- While at my current company, continue with Habitat (different city). Soon, I hope to gain either leadership in a habitat role. I have also been in discussion with an established group’s national director to possibly get a chapter started in my city that helps homeless children, if this works out it could be very good for essays.
-Habitat in the city I live in also runs a work trip to El Salvadore for a few weeks that I am hoping to be a part of this summer to add alittle international experience.
- Also, member of alumni association and homeowners association; may try to get more active in these
- If I apply this fall, I will get recommendation from an EC
- Taking CFA1 in Dec.
Schools: targeting Michigan, Duke, Cornell, UVA but have Columbia and Dartmouth as a dream
I believe I can come up with a good story for my career moves and my motivation for an MBA. Also, hoping to use my rural upbringing (poor area, not many people going to school, few southerners at big MBA programs etc.) to at least capture a little diversity points.
I have thought of executing a reapplication strategy, and wanted your opinion. I was thinking of applying to only Dartmouth EA, Columbia ED, and Duke in fall of 2009 (c/o 2012) with low/no expectations. I think I should be able to significantly increase my profile over the next year (possible new role/job with more responsibility and leadership, more EC involvement/stories, CFA1 maybe 2) and then in fall of 2010 (c/o 2013) apply to Dartmouth EA, Columbia ED (djhouse81 re-applicant admit is too inspiring), Duke, and two other schools from my target list. All three of the re-application schools seem to be extremely favorable to re-applicants (Columbia accepts 25% of re-applicants, Dartmouth is the same or more, and Duke seems to have yield issues) and also make it easy for re-applicants (only one new recommender, etc.).
1. As I mentioned, I feel my chances at Tuck and Columbia are very low for this fall. I am planning to apply so that I can: get application “practice” and also show those 3 programs that I am fully committed to them. Is this a bad idea (i.e. is reapplication ever looked upon negatively)? Should I just wait and apply next fall for class of 2013?
2. If I do the reapplication strategy, what are my chances at the schools that I noted for entrance fall 2011 (Columbia ED, Tuck EA, Duke after reapplication and Cornell, Michigan, Darden)?
Any help would be appreciated.
Brief overview: From a small rural southern town, went to large public university (enrollment approx 5-6 times population of town I grew up in
). Graduated in political science and economics spring 2006, and have worked for banks since graduating, supporting derivatives trading. I want to get an MBA to make the move into research. Short term goal would be to work in fixed income research for a sell side firm (I believe there will be a reduction in reliance on the ratings agencies for fixed income products). Long term goal would be either to move into in house investment strategy or portfolio management, or maybe moving to a buy side firm for portfolio management.Program: Full-time MBA
Area of interest: Finance – Investment Management/Research
GMAT: 710 (92%ile), 48q 40v, AWA : 5.5
GPA: ~3.0 overall (+/- .05, took courses at community colleges that would be factored)
-I made A-A+ in precalc, calc, business statistics, intro to finite math, and some econ courses…taking this into account with my 48Q I believe my low GPA is alittle different than some (my lower grades are in non-quant courses
Major: Doubled in Political Science and Economics (relatively well-known state school)
Work experience:
- Either 4 (c/o 2012) or 5 (c/o 2013) years at matriculation.
- Current – greater than 2 years experience, well known commercial bank that had grown into investment banking, role was analyst in middle office, still operational, but more risk/p&l type work. Supported a structured credit trading desk, on trading floor with daily interaction with traders. Also, no one directly reported to me, but I should be able to pull some leadership type story out of project leadership type work, and should be able to make it sound decent.
- First job – 7 months, well known investment bank, operations analyst in trade support for credit and interest rate derivatives (off site), it was a new group and the job was a little too mind numbing, I should be able to make it sound better in essays and make it sound like a stepping stone.
- Actively searching for next role, targeting either a supervisory role in operations or maybe a move to a more front office role.
- I plan to get a solid recommendation from a supervisor at current job.
Nationality: US (Caucasian)
Age: 25 (current)
Gender: Male (married)
Extra-curricular/community:
- In college, my EC activities were pretty minor, worked some and maybe a member of a few clubs, no leadership.
- While at the first company, I participated in Habitat, I also played on the company softball team.
- While at my current company, continue with Habitat (different city). Soon, I hope to gain either leadership in a habitat role. I have also been in discussion with an established group’s national director to possibly get a chapter started in my city that helps homeless children, if this works out it could be very good for essays.
-Habitat in the city I live in also runs a work trip to El Salvadore for a few weeks that I am hoping to be a part of this summer to add alittle international experience.
- Also, member of alumni association and homeowners association; may try to get more active in these
- If I apply this fall, I will get recommendation from an EC
- Taking CFA1 in Dec.
Schools: targeting Michigan, Duke, Cornell, UVA but have Columbia and Dartmouth as a dream
I believe I can come up with a good story for my career moves and my motivation for an MBA. Also, hoping to use my rural upbringing (poor area, not many people going to school, few southerners at big MBA programs etc.) to at least capture a little diversity points.
I have thought of executing a reapplication strategy, and wanted your opinion. I was thinking of applying to only Dartmouth EA, Columbia ED, and Duke in fall of 2009 (c/o 2012) with low/no expectations. I think I should be able to significantly increase my profile over the next year (possible new role/job with more responsibility and leadership, more EC involvement/stories, CFA1 maybe 2) and then in fall of 2010 (c/o 2013) apply to Dartmouth EA, Columbia ED (djhouse81 re-applicant admit is too inspiring), Duke, and two other schools from my target list. All three of the re-application schools seem to be extremely favorable to re-applicants (Columbia accepts 25% of re-applicants, Dartmouth is the same or more, and Duke seems to have yield issues) and also make it easy for re-applicants (only one new recommender, etc.).
1. As I mentioned, I feel my chances at Tuck and Columbia are very low for this fall. I am planning to apply so that I can: get application “practice” and also show those 3 programs that I am fully committed to them. Is this a bad idea (i.e. is reapplication ever looked upon negatively)? Should I just wait and apply next fall for class of 2013?
2. If I do the reapplication strategy, what are my chances at the schools that I noted for entrance fall 2011 (Columbia ED, Tuck EA, Duke after reapplication and Cornell, Michigan, Darden)?
Any help would be appreciated.
10 Mar 2009, 14:12
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Thanks for your questions:
1) Unless you do something really foolish in in this fall's application, reapplication won't hurt you in 2013 and could help, because as you say you are showing commitment. Just don't send in something sloppy or mediocre.
2) CBSand Tuckare unlikely acceptances. You are more competitive at Duke, although it certainly isn't a sure bet.
To improve you chances, either this year or next, assume leadership roles in extra-curricular activities and take business related courses, earning A's in them. Yes, I know you got a 48Q and that your grades in quant classes were good. But 1-2 recent A's can only help you.
Finally, I'm a little surprised that NYU isn't on your list.
Best,
Linda
1) Unless you do something really foolish in in this fall's application, reapplication won't hurt you in 2013 and could help, because as you say you are showing commitment. Just don't send in something sloppy or mediocre.
2) CBSand Tuckare unlikely acceptances. You are more competitive at Duke, although it certainly isn't a sure bet.
To improve you chances, either this year or next, assume leadership roles in extra-curricular activities and take business related courses, earning A's in them. Yes, I know you got a 48Q and that your grades in quant classes were good. But 1-2 recent A's can only help you.
Finally, I'm a little surprised that NYU isn't on your list.
Best,
Linda
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Thanks for the feedback; I will definitely take your advice into consideration.
I think the application process this year, putting everything into it and not just applying as a reapplication strategy could be beneficial in that it will help me with essays and interviews (I have heard some people say their later applications were the best). This along with showing commitment hopefully will end up as a positive for my applications if I do need to reapply.
The main reason I chose these two reaches was they are in that upper echelon of schools and seem to be the most re-applicant friendly (high percent of re-applicants accepted) of other M7+tuck. I didn’t originally list NYU because wondered how competitive I would be, and that acceptance rate scares me. I had always planned that if I got into a duke level school then NYU would be a second round attempt to move up (in that I would rather go their over Fuqua).
I have tossed around the alternative transcript idea, but was thinking if it wasn't calc/stat or a course I did poorly in it didn’t affect as much. I will def. look into taking some accounting courses (never taken any, probably would make sense for goal after MBA, and may help with CFA study). I have gotten conflicting info on where to take it, would taking courses online through UC Berkeley extension program be judged equally as a community college or local uni course? The online courses would probably work out better for my schedule, but afraid there is a stigma associated.
I think the application process this year, putting everything into it and not just applying as a reapplication strategy could be beneficial in that it will help me with essays and interviews (I have heard some people say their later applications were the best). This along with showing commitment hopefully will end up as a positive for my applications if I do need to reapply.
The main reason I chose these two reaches was they are in that upper echelon of schools and seem to be the most re-applicant friendly (high percent of re-applicants accepted) of other M7+tuck. I didn’t originally list NYU because wondered how competitive I would be, and that acceptance rate scares me. I had always planned that if I got into a duke level school then NYU would be a second round attempt to move up (in that I would rather go their over Fuqua).
I have tossed around the alternative transcript idea, but was thinking if it wasn't calc/stat or a course I did poorly in it didn’t affect as much. I will def. look into taking some accounting courses (never taken any, probably would make sense for goal after MBA, and may help with CFA study). I have gotten conflicting info on where to take it, would taking courses online through UC Berkeley extension program be judged equally as a community college or local uni course? The online courses would probably work out better for my schedule, but afraid there is a stigma associated.
