Africa1989
Good Afternoon,
I had a question with regards to MBA admissions for “Under Represented Minorities”. The internet seems to be rife with stories about X URM candidate who got into HBS/Stanford/MIT/Wharton with a 680 GMAT and a 3.3 in sociology, or Y candidate who got a 700 but is a “shoe-in” at HSW because he happens to be a URM. I was wondering about the veracity of the above claims. Are those commons stories or are they more the exception rather than the rule. Additionally, I was wondering if you could provide me with a quick profile evaluation and let me know if I’m kidding myself by applying to the target schools I mentioned below.
Age (At matriculation): 24
Demographic: 1st generation African Immigrant (now a dual citizen) from Kenya/Uganda/Tanzania (one of the 3)
Undergrad: Top 20 Public University (Double Major)
Major 1: Economics
Major 2: Political Science
Misc: International Studies Scholar
GPA: 3.5 GMAT: 740 Extracurricular activities:-Captained one of my universities academic teams (top 10 finish in the country and received numerous personal awards)
-Economics Societies
-Academic Honors Society
Work Experience (at matriculation): -4 Months as a Consultant at a well known firm
- 2 years 3 months as an Analyst at the World Bank/International Monetary Fund /United Nations (one of the 3). During my time there I specialized on Africa (including 1 war torn/failed state)
Recommendations: I will have recommendations from regional level management and from my college faculty advisor (he is a dean at a well known law school)
Post Grad Activities:-Leadership position internationally minded organization (dealing with international economic development) whose membership exceeds 4000.
-Substitute teach for a program which aims to teach computer and job application skills to recent immigrants
-Co-Founded a mobile applications company: we aim to have 1 application out by the end of the year and a second by mid 2014. With regards to this experience I was wondering if the release timeline will hurt how legitimate the enterprise seems if we do not get our first application out before admissions deadlines.
Target Schools: HBS
MIT
Stanford
Wharton
Booth
Thank you in advance for taking the time
In terms of the quality of the student body at any top school, what will answer your question is to go through the profiles of club members at AAMBAA, or if you have time, go visit some of these schools yourself. You'll likely find that the caliber of the person has little to do with their nationality or ethnicity.
In any case, there's really no point as an applicant to dwell on it, because your ethnic background is what it is.
Now this is anecdotal, but what you may find is that it has less to do with affirmative action and more to do with simple diversity WITHIN the demographic groups. In reality, there's more than enough folks with strong GMATs, GPAs, solid work histories, leadership experience, etc. across all demographics (nationality, ethnicity, gender). So it's not like adcoms will be lowering the standards for one group for the sake of affirmative action or anything. In other words, the b-schools are trying to build a diverse class - and when everyone hears "diverse" they immediately think "race". But they are also looking for diversity of professional backgrounds as well. And within the African-American pool (again this is anecdotal), the folks tend to be more diverse: they're not heavily skewed towards one profession or another, and there seems to be a broader mix of bankers, consultants, engineers, military officers, non-traditionals, marketing, corporate, etc. Whereas the other extreme would be Asian-American applicants who are predominantly finance. Or Indians who are like 99% male engineers. Or Caucasian applicants who skew a bit more consulting than other groups. And even with all this said and done, you'll find that most b-schools still heavily skew white/Asian, and still skew consulting/finance. But the adcoms do try the best they can to diversify without creating totally dual admissions standards where the bar is lower for one group versus another.
Again, a quick scan of the student body and you'll find that you won't be able to say that one group is categorically more impressive (or less impressive) than the other.
In any case, I think you may be overreaching a bit - that is, unless you are fully prepared for the possibility that you may not get in anywhere this year (and reapply to a broader array of schools the following year). Top 8 schools are going to be a stretch for you - you have enough of a shot that they're worth applying to 2-3, but you would also do well at schools in the top 16 like Ross, Duke, Darden, Yale, Cornell, Stern, UCLA and Haas - these schools are not beneath you as there are plenty of folks of a similar caliber as you that are at these schools. It's not that there's anything wrong with you - but that simply put you're up against other folks (and yes other African-Americans) who will have more pedigree than you, especially those who are gunning for H/S/W (and these folks will also have strong leadership experiences, solid GMATs/GPAs and so forth).
Finally, you need to get recs from people you've worked with. Don't get one from your professor, because he isn't in a position to comment on you as a professional adult (he worked with you when you were still a student); the fact that he's a dean will have ZERO impact on influencing an adcom's opinion of you (in fact, it may actually be a negative because it becomes transparent that you're trying to use big names in the hopes that it's supposed to be impressive).