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Where once housewives had submitted to the authority of their husbands by agreeing with them on every political issue, after many men supported America’s decision not to sign an international treaty on the rights of women, many housewives decided to form their own political ideas.


(A) Where once housewives had submitted to the authority of their husbands by agreeing

(B) Where once housewives submitted to their husbands’ authority for the agreement of

(C) While once housewives had submitted to the authority of their husbands by agreement

(D) While once housewives submitted to their husbands’ authority by agreeing

(E) While once housewives had submitted to the authority of their husbands by their agreeing

Originally posted by Shawnik on 10 Jun 2016, 06:41.
Last edited by Bunuel on 07 May 2018, 22:18, edited 1 time in total.
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New post 10 Jun 2016, 06:58
While vs where

While : simultaneously
Where : place

Agreement is not correct here, nonsensical .
Agreeing is correct .

B and C gone.
We need past perfect here. Thus, D is incorrect .

Btw A and E
The usage of their in E is awkward and redundant .

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No need for past perfect. as later in the sentence after clears the doubt that past perfect is not needed.A,C,E out.

in B -agreement of -with . is non sensical.Eliminate

left with D which is the answer.

other way around is you need agreeing at the end not - agreement with or agreement of with.
Past perfect is also not needed. So remove.
You are only left with D
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New post 10 Jun 2016, 10:35
Shawnik wrote:
Where once housewives had submitted to the authority of their husbands by
agreeing
with them on every political issue, after many men supported America’s
decision not to sign an international treaty on the rights of women, many
housewives decided to form their own political ideas.
(A) Where once housewives had submitted to the authority of their husbands by
agreeing
(B) Where once housewives submitted to their husbands’ authority for the agreement
of
(C) While once housewives had submitted to the authority of their husbands by
agreement
(D) While once housewives submitted to their husbands’ authority by agreeing
(E) While once housewives had submitted to the authority of their husbands by
their agreeing


'Where' must always refer to place, and hence is not correct for this sentence. A and B are out

In order to have contrast, we need 'while' for this sentence.

(C) While once housewives had submitted to the authority of their husbands by
agreement. 'agreeing' and 'agreement' are not same.
Wives did something by agreeing with their husbands. Wives did not make any agreement.

(D) While once housewives submitted to their husbands’ authority by agreeing. Clear meaning.

(E) While once housewives had submitted to the authority of their husbands by
their agreeing. What is 'their' referring to. Try replacing 'their' with 'husband's' or 'wives'. It doesn't make sense.
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While once housewives submitted to their husbands’ authority by agreeing with THEM

Here them is not correctly referring to Husbands.Them is ok if we use husbands not possessive form husaband's
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For Option D i have a question

The option uses phrase "husbands’ authority" and the non-underlined portion uses them which points towards husbands...

in option D there is no use of word husband, Can them be used for possessive noun?
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Shawnik wrote:
Divyadisha hsbinfy

For Option D i have a question

The option uses phrase "husbands’ authority" and the non-underlined portion uses them which points towards husbands...

in option D there is no use of word husband, Can them be used for possessive noun?



Hi Shwanik,

First of all if you look option C and E . they are definitely weird at reading.
A and B too with "where".

If you want to go to technical aspect that their can refer husbands' - the answer is yes.

their is possessive and so is husbands'.So it can refer back to husbands'

Consider this example.
Harry's house is so clean that his grandmother praises him. -Him here is possessive form like their.

So, possesive pronoun can refer to possessive noun in the sentence

Here D is the best choice, but remember in GMAT look for any choice in which possessive is not there.MOstly gmat will place a correct answer without possessive.
If none of the choices have it , you can look for the above rule i told you.
I guess the above question is a MGMAT one. they use examples like this, but they have stopped now using.So be careful.

I have seen 2-3 examples of GmatPrep SC where normal nouns are preferred than possessive.
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Hii Experts, Can you provide correct usage of Whereas once and why it is wrong in this context?
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Shawnik wrote:
Where once housewives had submitted to the authority of their husbands by
agreeing
with them on every political issue, after many men supported America’s
decision not to sign an international treaty on the rights of women, many
housewives decided to form their own political ideas.
(A) Where once housewives had submitted to the authority of their husbands by
agreeing
(B) Where once housewives submitted to their husbands’ authority for the agreement
of
(C) While once housewives had submitted to the authority of their husbands by
agreement
(D) While once housewives submitted to their husbands’ authority by agreeing
(E) While once housewives had submitted to the authority of their husbands by
their agreeing



None of the options are correct for this question .Although D is provided as answer , there is no reference for THEM in option D. THEM should refer to husbands ,not husband's authority .
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ashisplb The GMAT no longer follows the "possessive poison" rule, so it's fine for "them" to refer to husbands, even though the word only appears as a possessive.

I also feel obliged to point out that this is NOT a Manhattan Prep question. It's from Manhattan Review. I don't think we (or the GMAT) would produce a sentence that talks about "housewives" submitting to their husbands!
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ashisplb The GMAT no longer follows the "possessive poison" rule, so it's fine for "them" to refer to husbands, even though the word only appears as a possessive.

I also feel obliged to point out that this is NOT a Manhattan Prep question. It's from Manhattan Review. I don't think we (or the GMAT) would produce a sentence that talks about "housewives" submitting to their husbands!


Kindly refer to :

https://gmatclub.com/forum/where-once-t ... 00-20.html

The link above says "where once" is okay and is used when we're describing how things used to be one way and then changed, but that's how it is. That is two time frames.
Also it says "while once" is 100% idiomatically incorrect.
In some explanation it says "while" is preffered in situations where simultaneous events take place and it can be confusing to use "while" to contrast different time frames. In such cases, the idiom "where once" provides a good alternative (directly quoted from your explanation).

Now i am all confused. Kindly explain the difference in these 2 cases. Because here too i feel no simultaneous action is taking place.

Also if could experts weigh in their views on "where once" and "while once" , it would be a great help.
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I have one question. Is past perfect tense "had submitted" ok in this context or is it redundant?
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Past perfect in the given context is not the clincher. It is not incorrect but is not essential either;
The issue on hand is more about idiom in the main.
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"with them on every political issue" in my opinion can't refer to husband in option D because the option has "husband's authority" instead of husband. IMO "them" cant refer to "huband's". Is this acceptable?? I am really confused.
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Hi hazelnut , gmatexam439

(D) While once housewives submitted to their husbands’ authority by agreeing with them on every political issue

I am finding it difficult to accept that "them" can refer to "husband's" which happens to be a possessive. Can such pronouns always have a possessive as their referent or is there some particular case??
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Hi hazelnut , gmatexam439

(D) While once housewives submitted to their husbands’ authority by agreeing with them on every political issue

I am finding it difficult to accept that "them" can refer to "husband's" which happens to be a possessive. Can such pronouns always have a possessive as their referent or is there some particular case??


Hi Prateek,

You might want to refer this : https://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/gmat-pronoun-traps/

I hope that helps!

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