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Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented.

A. Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented.

B. Whether they scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or whether they discontinue their business with us altogether depends on the changes their management has proposed, if fully implemented or not.

C. Their either scaling back their orders in the future to pre-2003 levels, or their outright termination of business with us, depends on their management’s proposed changes being fully implemented or not.

D. Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends if the changes that their management has proposed become fully implemented.

E. They will either scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels, or they will stop doing business with us altogether dependent on whether the changes their management has proposed will be fully implemented, or not.
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Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented.

A. Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented.---The correct answer !!

B. Whether they scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or whether they discontinue their business with us altogether depends on the changes their management has proposed, if fully implemented or not. ---Should be Whether x or y and not whether x or whether y

C. Their either scaling back their orders in the future to pre-2003 levels, or their outright termination of business with us, depends on their management’s proposed changes being fully implemented or not.

D. Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends if the changes that their management has proposed become fully implemented. --Incorrect usage of if

E. They will either scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels, or they will stop doing business with us altogether dependent on whether the changes their management has proposed will be fully implemented, or not. ----distorts the meaning , the original construction seems the person is uncertain , here on the other hand he seems quite certain , and also the usage of or not is redundant


A is the correct answer because of the given reasons !!
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can you please help with this question by elaborating on " if V/s whether"
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can you please help with this question by elaborating on " if V/s whether"



I feel - whether is used when there is a choice and we use "if" in cases when there is a condition
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The issue here is whether they will do this or that. Therefore, a dilemma is involved and an answer to the dilemma is required. The correct diction for this expression is indeed whether or as Warriorguy correctly pointed out. If is used when you want to say, if this happens the other thing will happen. This means that if A happens then B will certainly happen. However, in the given context, it is not clear as to what will happen, if the proposed changes are fully implemented. Whether they will scale back or totally terminate is not made clear by using the conditional. That is why this goes better with the use of the ‘weather – or’ template
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The issue here is whether they will do this or that. Therefore, a dilemma is involved and an answer to the dilemma is required. The correct diction for this expression is indeed whether or as Warriorguy correctly pointed out. If is used when you want to say, if this happens the other thing will happen. This means that if A happens then B will certainly happen. However, in the given context, it is not clear as to what will happen, if the proposed changes are fully implemented. Whether they will scale back or totally terminate is not made clear by using the conditional. That is why this goes better with the use of the ‘weather – or’ template


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Why the first "whether" is used in this sentence? Isn't it better like that?:
"They will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented"
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The issue here is whether they will do this or that. Therefore, a dilemma is involved and an answer to the dilemma is required. The correct diction for this expression is indeed whether or as Warriorguy correctly pointed out. If is used when you want to say, if this happens the other thing will happen. This means that if A happens then B will certainly happen. However, in the given context, it is not clear as to what will happen, if the proposed changes are fully implemented. Whether they will scale back or totally terminate is not made clear by using the conditional. That is why this goes better with the use of the ‘weather – or’ template


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Why the first "whether" is used in this sentence? Isn't it better like that?:
"They will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented"


Your sentence :
They will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented"

The bold part is an independent clause. If you write it like this, then the sentence needs something between altogether and depends. The sentence ends there, at altogether.

Possibility ( I have to use "either " here to make it complete) :
They will either scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether. It depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented"

If you wish to write a non stop sentence, as is the case here, whether will have to be used.
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only A uses whether and keeeps meaning ok

I didn't choose B, because if implemented or not seemed strange
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Hello everybody,

Do ''Either X or Y'' and ''Whether X or Y'' work interchangeably? Are those structures the same?

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Answer choice 'A' is correct: Correct usage of idiom whether... depends on.
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Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented.

A. Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented.

B. Whether they scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or whether they discontinue their business with us altogether depends on the changes their management has proposed, if fully implemented or not.

C. Their either scaling back their orders in the future to pre-2003 levels, or their outright termination of business with us, depends on their management’s proposed changes being fully implemented or not.

D. Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends if the changes that their management has proposed become fully implemented.

E. They will either scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels, or they will stop doing business with us altogether dependent on whether the changes their management has proposed will be fully implemented, or not.


i need help on this...If first whether has OR with it in Option A then why whether at the end of option A dont have OR with it?
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i need help on this...If first whether has OR with it in Option A then why whether at the end of option A dont have OR with it?




Hello rocko911,

I will be glad to help you out with this one. :-)


Following is the expanded version of the original sentence (the correct answer choice):


Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels (or not) or (whether they will) stop doing business with us altogether (or not) depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented (or not).


So you see, or not has NOT been used in the sentence for any instance of whether. It is so because usage of or not along with whether is considered wordy on GMAT SC.

Conjunction or has been used to present either of the two situation:

1. Production will be scaled back or not
2. The business will stop altogether or not


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I second egmat.

Though not parallel, "whether ... or ..." is correct in A. Some examples:

Whether you go to the launderette or do the washing at home, the routine is the same. (Collins)
The headteacher is caught in a double bind because whether she expels the boy or lets him off, she still gets blamed. (Cambridge)
It is not clear whether the purpose is to edify, or simply to make money. (Oxford)
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Hi,

The correct sentence use "Whether they will scale back". So the whether is follows by a verb in the future simple tense.

I thought that "whether" and "if" would be interchangeable (although for two choices it's better to use "whether" rather than "if")

But you can't say "If they will scale back", because that conditional construction doesn't exit.

Then why is the "whether" in the correct sentence followed by a future simple?
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Hi,

The correct sentence use "Whether they will scale back". So the whether is follows by a verb in the future simple tense.

I thought that "whether" and "if" would be interchangeable (although for two choices it's better to use "whether" rather than "if")

But you can't say "If they will scale back", because that conditional construction doesn't exit.

Then why is the "whether" in the correct sentence followed by a future simple?


Because I think this sentence simply talks about the future, hence it uses "Whether they will...". And as someone already said above, we use "whether" when we talk about 2 options of a situation (it happens or it doesn't happen), and we only use "if" for conditional sentence. "whether" and "if" can't be used interchangeably as far as I know in GMAT.
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Hi,

The correct sentence use "Whether they will scale back". So the whether is follows by a verb in the future simple tense.

I thought that "whether" and "if" would be interchangeable (although for two choices it's better to use "whether" rather than "if")

But you can't say "If they will scale back", because that conditional construction doesn't exit.

Then why is the "whether" in the correct sentence followed by a future simple?

Hi raffamaiden, this question isn't really testing on if vs whether usage; however, the distinction is quite clear:

if is used for a conditional sentence, whereas whether is used when the intent is to depict a choice, an alternative or a possibility.

From a grammar perspective, the if portion of a conditional construct, will never have a would/will.

So, for example, following would be incorrect:

If Peter will work hard, he will score well.

Correct construct is:

If Peter works hard, he will score well.

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Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented.

A. Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented.

B. Whether they scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or whether they discontinue their business with us altogether depends on the changes their management has proposed, if fully implemented or not.

C. Their either scaling back their orders in the future to pre-2003 levels, or their outright termination of business with us, depends on their management’s proposed changes being fully implemented or not.

D. Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends if the changes that their management has proposed become fully implemented.

E. They will either scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels, or they will stop doing business with us altogether dependent on whether the changes their management has proposed will be fully implemented, or not.


Hi rocko911 and raffamaiden

My two cents:

1. The question does not seem very GMAT like (there is an odd chance that I am wrong here). The reason I say this is that GMAT questions don't usually have correct answers that have pronouns such as "they" and "us" without actual nouns that such pronouns refer to. Also, I am not a 100% happy with how the correct answer is constructed - particularly the latter part (again - could be wrong here). However, to keep the discussion pertinent to the thread, I will comment on some of the questions asked.

2. For rocko911 : Meaning wise, the first whether scenario has two distinct outcomes related with it. So, the two outcomes are:
    a. Company may scale back
    b. Company may stop doing business with the concerned party altogether

As you can see, the second outcome (outcome b) is very specific in nature. You cannot understand/or think about this outcome unless it is specifically expressed.

However, with the second use of whether, the second outcome is more or less understood. So, what are the two outcomes for the second whether:
    a. changes are fully implemented
    b. changes are not fully implemented

So, the answer to your question about the usage of "or" with the first whether is that the author of the sentence wanted to give us the second outcome clearly as it cannot be understood automatically. However, with the second one, the alternate scenario is quite clear and hence does not need to be stated explicitly. For example:

    1. Whether he gets the job or is wait-listed for the position is irrelevant to his friends.
    2. Whether he gets the job (or he does not get the job) is irrelevant to his friends.

As you can see, in the first case, the "waitlist" part couldn't have been understood had the author not mentioned it explicitly. However, in the second sentence, the "or not" part is understood. Of course, the two sentences above mean entirely different things. So, one cannot say that the second sentence is a better or more concise version of the first one.

To sum it with a bit of humor, whether the author uses the "or" part in a whether construction usually depends on whether the "or" part adds something else to the meaning of the sentence. :)

3. For raffamaiden: Whether and If cannot be used interchangeably on the GMAT. It's not about preference, it's about the intended meaning. If you want to convey choices/alternate scenarios, please use "whether". If you want to convey outcomes of a particular circumstance, use "if". Let's take a scenario that we will exploit one time by using "if" and one time by using "whether".

a. If he calls me, I will talk to him. - Concentrate on the "if" part. In the "if" portion, he DOES call me. There is no other condition.
b. My talking to him depends on whether he calls me (or not). - Concentrate on the "whether" part. In the whether portion, there are two scenarios implied - he does call me and he does NOT call me.

I hope the above discussion helps. :)

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