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New post 04 Nov 2018, 22:04
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Good day,

I am confused with the subject verb agreement rule of Whether X or Y + verb (singluar or plural).
I understand the rule of Either/Neither X or Y, nonetheless.

Can someone clarify in sentence A the grammar rules that explains the use of the verb 'depends'

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Hi Bruno015

I think your entire confusion stems from understanding the subject for the verb "depends" in choice A.

In this particular choice, the subject for "depends" is the entire portion - "Whether......altogether". When a big portion (a whole phrase or a clause) in the sentence acts as the subject, it is usually treated as singular.

Consider the following simple sentence:


Whether I sing or dance is none of his concern.


In the above portion, the entire portion in blue (whether...dance) acts as the subject for the verb in green (is). Think of it this way - you are basically trying to say that something is none of his concern. This something is = whether I sing or dance.

Hope the above analysis helps! :)

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The issue here is whether they will do this or that. Therefore, a dilemma is involved and an answer to the dilemma is required. The correct diction for this expression is indeed whether or as Warriorguy correctly pointed out. If is used when you want to say, if this happens the other thing will happen. This means that if A happens then B will certainly happen. However, in the given context, it is not clear as to what will happen, if the proposed changes are fully implemented. Whether they will scale back or totally terminate is not made clear by using the conditional. That is why this goes better with the use of the ‘weather – or’ template

What kind of GMAT SC question is this? It has so many pronouns yet no antecedents
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why is "changes" singular? should it not be that changes have been proposed?
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why is "changes" singular? should it not be that changes have been proposed?

The structure is actually this:

...their management has proposed changes.

So, changes is not the subject but the object. The subject is management and hence, singular verb has has been used.
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i need help on this...If first whether has OR with it in Option A then why whether at the end of option A dont have OR with it?




Hello rocko911,

I will be glad to help you out with this one. :-)


Following is the expanded version of the original sentence (the correct answer choice):


Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels (or not) or (whether they will) stop doing business with us altogether (or not) depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented (or not).


So you see, or not has NOT been used in the sentence for any instance of whether. It is so because usage of or not along with whether is considered wordy on GMAT SC.

Conjunction or has been used to present either of the two situation:

1. Production will be scaled back or not
2. The business will stop altogether or not


Hope this helps. :-)
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Why did we use whether instead of if egmat
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i need help on this...If first whether has OR with it in Option A then why whether at the end of option A dont have OR with it?




Hello rocko911,

I will be glad to help you out with this one. :-)


Following is the expanded version of the original sentence (the correct answer choice):


Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels (or not) or (whether they will) stop doing business with us altogether (or not) depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented (or not).


So you see, or not has NOT been used in the sentence for any instance of whether. It is so because usage of or not along with whether is considered wordy on GMAT SC.

Conjunction or has been used to present either of the two situation:

1. Production will be scaled back or not
2. The business will stop altogether or not


Hope this helps. :-)
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HI Shraddha,

Can you please explain why B is wrong?
If it is whether or not, then why can't we right whether and the subject the second time?
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GMATNinja sir generis sir aragonn Kindly explain this question......

There are two juicy decision points here. First, we have a choice between "if" and "whether" in the second clause of the sentence:

  • "If" sets off a conditional statement. "If Tim forgets to feed to feed his children, the poor kids will forget not to scream incessantly for several hours."
  • "Whether" indicates a choice between options: "Because the household food supplies were extremely limited, Tim couldn't decide whether to feed his children or to feed his parakeet." (Tim's parakeet loves fruit leather.)

Both (B) and (D) incorrectly use "if" to indicate options in the second clause: the changes might be implemented, or not. (Notice that the "or not" is implied in (D).) In this case, "whether" is correct, so (B) and (D) are out.

Next, (C) and (E) contain the parallel marker, "either." Here's the relevant portion of (C):

    "...either scaling back their orders in the future to pre-2003 levels, or their outright termination."

"Scaling" is not parallel" to "their outright termination, so (C) is gone. And here's the relevant portion of (E):

    "...either scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels, or they."

"Scale" isn't parallel to "they" so we can get rid of (E).

That leaves us with (A), which is our answer. Neat.

I hope that helps!
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Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented.

(A) Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented.

(B) Whether they scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or whether they discontinue their business with us altogether depends on the changes their management has proposed, if fully implemented or not.

(C) Their either scaling back their orders in the future to pre-2003 levels, or their outright termination of business with us, depends on their management’s proposed changes being fully implemented or not.

(D) Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends if the changes that their management has proposed become fully implemented.

(E) They will either scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels, or they will stop doing business with us altogether dependent on whether the changes their management has proposed will be fully implemented, or not.



B : Whether they , whether they wrong it should be whetjer X , Whether Y
C : THeir eirther wrong usage
D : They will, they will wrong error as B
E : Same error as B

A is better choice
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GMATNinja sir generis sir aragonn Kindly explain this question......

There are two juicy decision points here. First, we have a choice between "if" and "whether" in the second clause of the sentence:

  • "If" sets off a conditional statement. "If Tim forgets to feed to feed his children, the poor kids will forget not to scream incessantly for several hours."
  • "Whether" indicates a choice between options: "Because the household food supplies were extremely limited, Tim couldn't decide whether to feed his children or to feed his parakeet." (Tim's parakeet loves fruit leather.)

Both (B) and (D) incorrectly use "if" to indicate options in the second clause: the changes might be implemented, or not. (Notice that the "or not" is implied in (D).) In this case, "whether" is correct, so (B) and (D) are out.

Next, (C) and (E) contain the parallel marker, "either." Here's the relevant portion of (C):

    "...either scaling back their orders in the future to pre-2003 levels, or their outright termination."

"Scaling" is not parallel" to "their outright termination, so (C) is gone. And here's the relevant portion of (E):

    "...either scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels, or they."

"Scale" isn't parallel to "they" so we can get rid of (E).

That leaves us with (A), which is our answer. Neat.

I hope that helps!



Hi Charles,

Idiom:- WhetherX or Y

In your stated example it seems clear that "X" is parallel to "Y"

Example :-Because the household food supplies were extremely limited, Tim couldn't decide whether to feed his children or to feed his parakeet."Because the household food supplies were extremely limited, Tim couldn't decide whether to feed his children or to feed his parakeet."

However, In this particular question the usage is bit different and confusing
(A) Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented.

They will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels doesn't seems parallel with stop doing business


Could you please further explain the construction of the correct choice.

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Idiom:- WhetherX or Y

In your stated example it seems clear that "X" is parallel to "Y"

Example :-Because the household food supplies were extremely limited, Tim couldn't decide whether to feed his children or to feed his parakeet."Because the household food supplies were extremely limited, Tim couldn't decide whether to feed his children or to feed his parakeet."

However, In this particular question the usage is bit different and confusing
(A) Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us altogether depends on whether the changes that their management has proposed will be fully implemented.

They will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels doesn't seems parallel with stop doing business


Could you please further explain the construction of the correct choice.


Excellent question! Typically, when you see a parallel marker such as "or" you want to see what comes after the marker and then work backwards to see if you can find a word or phrase that plays the same role (more on parallelism and meaning in this video). Let's take another look at the relevant portion of (A):

    "Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us..."

The first thing to note is what follows "or." "Stop" is a verb. Now you want to work backwards to see if you can find another verb that "stop" can be parallel to. "Whether they will scale back their orders to pre-2003 levels or stop doing business with us..." Sure enough, there's "scale." So we have a parallel construction.

Next, you'd evaluate whether those actions are logically parallel; it turns out that this construction makes perfect sense. Option 1: scale back orders; option 2: stop doing business. So (A) is fine.

Just be aware that if you have two parallel verb phrases, for example, it doesn't have to be the case that every single component of those phrases is exactly the same. Parallelism is about function and logic, not hunting for identical constructions.

I hope that helps!
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I think the meaning of the sentence plays a big role in solving questions like these. If you can identify what the 2 actions described are dependent on, you can arrive at answer choice A quickly. Of course knowing the usage of whether can help you eliminate atleast 2 answer choices

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In this question, the only thing tested is the rules of usage for the two words "Whether" and "If", and different kinds of usages for them. Thankfully, in this question, all you need to know about the usage of "If", is that it should be used only if the statement talks about more than 2 things.

In both the sentences in this question, there are only two things being compared/talked about, so any option that has "If" in the place of "Whether" can right away be eliminated.

So, Options B & D are eliminated.

Option C is phrased very poorly. If you want to eliminate this option grammatically, then look at how this answer option starts. "Their either scaling back..." is incorrect. It should be "They are" either scaling back. There are a bunch of other issues with this answer option, but I am not going to go in depth with them in this post.

So, Option C can also be eliminated.

We are left with Options A and E.

Now, you need to know and apply the rules of usage of the word "Whether" in order to arrive at the correct answer here.

Correct Usages:

1. Whether X or Y.
2. Whether X (Implied that the only other option is "Not X").
3. Whether or not (This can be used interchangeably with the word "Regardless"). Ex: Whether or not it rains today, I am going to leave to Office by 7AM.

Incorrect Usage:

1. Whether X, or not X. Using it this way brings the meaning of "Regardless", hence usage of this sort is incorrect.

In Option E, "Whether or Not" is used. In this context, you're trying to say, "Scaling back or Shutting down" is dependent on either the changes being implemented, or not being implemented.

i.e. usage of the word "Whether" is to say Whether "X" or "Not X". So, Whether or not should not be used, It should just be Whether.

So, option E can also be eliminated. Option A is the correct Answer.
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