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22 Apr 2015, 09:47
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Hello Senior Members,
I have a couple of questions, and request your expert opinion:
So I am an applicant from India, 27 years old, have 4 years of experience (will be 5.5 by August 2016) and already have a Masters Degree. I have been working in marketing and brand management roles, first with a top indian brand, and then with large MNC. I took the GMAT in October and scored 740, and subsequently applied in R2 for 2015 intake to a few schools. I got rejects after interviews from Yale, Emory and Ross, and didn't even get interview calls from Darden and Kellogg. I am yet to get any analysis done on my applications, but my own assessment for my reasons for rejections are:
- poor quant score (79 percentile) even though the overall score is above average
- already have a master's degree in business (though not an MBA)
- uncooked essays? (did not take any expert help)
- no brand value (not from a top undergrad-school, never worked at a Fortune/ big-5/ well known in the US company)
Now I'm wondering whether I should apply again, and if I do, what should my strategy be. I have two questions.
[*] I have a job opportunity with an Indian CPG major: the pay, designation and marketing budget will all be higher than what I'm handling in my current role. I'm wondering whether it will be a good idea to take this job now. Will a job switch just 4-5 months before submitting the application appear as a negative?
[*] Will applying again to the school where I was rejected earlier be a good idea, or should I only look for other schools?
I have a couple of questions, and request your expert opinion:
So I am an applicant from India, 27 years old, have 4 years of experience (will be 5.5 by August 2016) and already have a Masters Degree. I have been working in marketing and brand management roles, first with a top indian brand, and then with large MNC. I took the GMAT in October and scored 740, and subsequently applied in R2 for 2015 intake to a few schools. I got rejects after interviews from Yale, Emory and Ross, and didn't even get interview calls from Darden and Kellogg. I am yet to get any analysis done on my applications, but my own assessment for my reasons for rejections are:
- poor quant score (79 percentile) even though the overall score is above average
- already have a master's degree in business (though not an MBA)
- uncooked essays? (did not take any expert help)
- no brand value (not from a top undergrad-school, never worked at a Fortune/ big-5/ well known in the US company)
Now I'm wondering whether I should apply again, and if I do, what should my strategy be. I have two questions.
[*] I have a job opportunity with an Indian CPG major: the pay, designation and marketing budget will all be higher than what I'm handling in my current role. I'm wondering whether it will be a good idea to take this job now. Will a job switch just 4-5 months before submitting the application appear as a negative?
[*] Will applying again to the school where I was rejected earlier be a good idea, or should I only look for other schools?
22 Apr 2015, 12:06
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Hi Aryabhata,
You already have an admit from University of Wisconsin and that deserves a congrats. I don't quite buy your top two reasons for not making it to a b-school. If they were the reason, you would not have got those interviews at the top schools. 740 is a great score in itself and a ~49 on the quant section is not bad either
But yes, the devil could be uncooked essays and unimpressive interviews. We can have a look at your application for one school and give you feedback - you can send it to [email protected]
Regarding your two questions:
1. If you joing this CPG company now, you will have worked in it for atleast a year until next fall. That's good enough experience, more so, if your career goals are supported by this new role. The only negative could be that you will not be able to get recommendations from your new supervisors. So, maintain a good relationship with the people at your present company and make as moth exit.
2. Have a mix of old and new schools.
23 Apr 2015, 07:19
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Hi,
It's not easy to do a ding analysis without seeing the full application but I'll just make a few observations here:
There are two factors here - the written app and the in-person interview. You did get interviews at several good schools so that tells me that at most your essays/reccos/short answers might have been a bit borderline....but not so much so that it prevented you from getting an interview.
I'm not sure what you wrote about in terms of LT or ST goals.....that can be a deal breaker. They might have interviewed you to get more of a feel for you and your goals. I feel like something went wrong in the interview. Either your story was not coherent or in-person you just didn't communicate what you needed to (either verbally or through body language etc).
Was the ding due to the 79th% Quant on Gmat....probably not.
I had an Indian client this year from a top 3 consulting firm who was invited to interview at Harvard.....the interview *should* have been a formality but he got so nervous about it that he spent the weeks leading up to it writing out (and memorizing verbatim) answers to any questions he might be asked. By the time his mock interview rolled around it was too late to deprogram him - he just sounded very robotic. He didn't get into Harvard, but he could very well have....if he had come across in the interview as 'someone who goes to HBS' but hearing him you never would have believed that. That leads to my next point.....
Once a school interviews you - in my opinion it isn't really worth reapplying because they've met you and there was something about what you said/did/were that did not jive with them. So my advice is to find other schools to apply to. Another piece of advice for any first time applicants out there: if you're applying on your own - don't apply to every school out there....so if you get dinged across the board in your first year, you still have a couple of good schools to apply to the following year.
Sounds like you've been in your current role for a while and it might be a good time to switch + the opportunity seems right. I don't think it is a disadvantage and would encourage you to take the new job.
I offer two free services to candidates - Ding Review and Background Analysis & School Selection https://fxmbaconsulting.com/mba-admissio ... s-pricing/
If you're interested in sending me your app to look it just reach out.
Best,
Leah
It's not easy to do a ding analysis without seeing the full application but I'll just make a few observations here:
There are two factors here - the written app and the in-person interview. You did get interviews at several good schools so that tells me that at most your essays/reccos/short answers might have been a bit borderline....but not so much so that it prevented you from getting an interview.
I'm not sure what you wrote about in terms of LT or ST goals.....that can be a deal breaker. They might have interviewed you to get more of a feel for you and your goals. I feel like something went wrong in the interview. Either your story was not coherent or in-person you just didn't communicate what you needed to (either verbally or through body language etc).
Was the ding due to the 79th% Quant on Gmat....probably not.
I had an Indian client this year from a top 3 consulting firm who was invited to interview at Harvard.....the interview *should* have been a formality but he got so nervous about it that he spent the weeks leading up to it writing out (and memorizing verbatim) answers to any questions he might be asked. By the time his mock interview rolled around it was too late to deprogram him - he just sounded very robotic. He didn't get into Harvard, but he could very well have....if he had come across in the interview as 'someone who goes to HBS' but hearing him you never would have believed that. That leads to my next point.....
Once a school interviews you - in my opinion it isn't really worth reapplying because they've met you and there was something about what you said/did/were that did not jive with them. So my advice is to find other schools to apply to. Another piece of advice for any first time applicants out there: if you're applying on your own - don't apply to every school out there....so if you get dinged across the board in your first year, you still have a couple of good schools to apply to the following year.
Sounds like you've been in your current role for a while and it might be a good time to switch + the opportunity seems right. I don't think it is a disadvantage and would encourage you to take the new job.
I offer two free services to candidates - Ding Review and Background Analysis & School Selection https://fxmbaconsulting.com/mba-admissio ... s-pricing/
If you're interested in sending me your app to look it just reach out.
Best,
Leah
