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Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.

(A) Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.
(B) Good eating habits sometimes fail to be maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts caused by desiring to be as thin as possible.
(C) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, good eating habits are sometimes not maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts.
(D) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits.
(E) Young female dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits because they desire to be as thin as possible.

[b]In option E) the word ballet is absent and this changes the meaning. We always have to stick to the meaning, which the original sentence conveys [/b]


That seems to be a typo. It is very unlikely that one would intentionally incorporate such an error in the answer. The above discussion ignores the fact that "ballet" is missing from option E.

In that case, both D and E would be correct. The reason for eliminating E that the author of the question stated , that the pronoun "they" is ambiguous, may not be sufficient enough to eliminate the answer. Such pronoun usages have been accepted in some instances in GMAT.
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gmantri18 wrote:
Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.

(A) Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.
(B) Good eating habits sometimes fail to be maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts caused by desiring to be as thin as possible.
(C) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, good eating habits are sometimes not maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts.
(D) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits.
(E) Young female dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits because they desire to be as thin as possible.

[b]In option E) the word ballet is absent and this changes the meaning. We always have to stick to the meaning, which the original sentence conveys [/b]


That seems to be a typo. It is very unlikely that one would intentionally incorporate such an error in the answer. The above discussion ignores the fact that "ballet" is missing from option E.

In that case, both D and E would be correct. The reason for eliminating E that the author of the question stated , that the pronoun "they" is ambiguous, may not be sufficient enough to eliminate the answer. Such pronoun usages have been accepted in some instances in GMAT.


okay, thanks. just one last question, between which two is the ambiguity in option E ? The good eating habits and young dancers & gymnasts ??

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gmantri18 wrote:
Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.

(A) Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.
(B) Good eating habits sometimes fail to be maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts caused by desiring to be as thin as possible.
(C) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, good eating habits are sometimes not maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts.
(D) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits.
(E) Young female dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits because they desire to be as thin as possible.

[b]In option E) the word ballet is absent and this changes the meaning. We always have to stick to the meaning, which the original sentence conveys [/b]


That seems to be a typo. It is very unlikely that one would intentionally incorporate such an error in the answer. The above discussion ignores the fact that "ballet" is missing from option E.

In that case, both D and E would be correct. The reason for eliminating E that the author of the question stated , that the pronoun "they" is ambiguous, may not be sufficient enough to eliminate the answer. Such pronoun usages have been accepted in some instances in GMAT.


okay, thanks. just one last question, between which two is the ambiguity in option E ? The good eating habits and young dancers & gymnasts ??

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Yes, "good eating habits" and "young dancers & gymnasts" are the two antecedents the pronoun "they" could refer to - nonetheless, this would probably not be considered ambiguous - "they", being subject of a clause clearly refers to the subject (" Young dancers and gymnasts") of another clause in the sentence (by virtue of parallelism).

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Here are my explanations, please comment whether you agree or not ;) thanks !!

Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.

(A) Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.
"Caused by" modifies noun : "good eating habits", so incorrect meaning.

(B) Good eating habits sometimes fail to be maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts caused by desiring to be as thin as possible.
Passive form, not correct

(C) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, good eating habits are sometimes not maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts.
Modification problem. An opening modifier should be followed by the subject of the clause

(D) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits.
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(E) Young female dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits because they desire to be as thin as possible.
The antecedent of "they" is not clear : habits or dancers and gymnasts ?
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Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.

(A) Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible. - good eating habits are not caused by the desire
(B) Good eating habits sometimes fail to be maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts caused by desiring to be as thin as possible. - good eating habits do not fail
(C) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, good eating habits are sometimes not maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts. - good eating habits do not desire
(D) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits. - Looks good
(E) Young female dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits because they desire to be as thin as possible. - ambiguous "they" and also the word "ballet" missing
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New post 08 Aug 2017, 12:37
How can "good eating habits desire to be as thin as possible" in E ?
Isn't "they" clearly referring to Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts in E?
So should we just take into consideration the proximity?
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Is there a typo in this question? "Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts" is a plural subject that requires a plural verb "sometime". Experts, please provide feedback
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gatreya14 The verb here is "fail," which is plural. "Sometimes" is an adverb (it indicates when/how the dancers fail), and we don't adjust adverbs for singular/plural.
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Hi,

Can you please explain how "they" is ambiguous in E here when the subject for E is clearly Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts
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Hi,

Can you please explain how "they" is ambiguous in E here when the subject for E is clearly Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts


The point is that you have a better option where the ambiguity issue does not arise. In (E), since they is placed closer to "good eating habits", in another context, they could easily refer them. So you pick the option where there is no question of any ambiguity.
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New post 13 Nov 2017, 21:06
Aside from the meaning issues,

Is there any grammatical problem in (A) ?

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Aside from the meaning issues,

Is there any grammatical problem in (A) ?

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Dear bluetrain,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

I have two responses to your question.
The simple answer is no. The more sophisticated answer is to point out that your question is very like asking, "aside from the fact that Person G has murdered seven people, is he a nice guy?" Meaning is the point of language. A sentence that grammatically correct but meaningless is useless.

Does all this make sense?
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mahakmalik wrote:
Is it a possibility that we can eliminate E on the basis that in original it is mentioned ballet dancers whereas in E it says dancers...........
Just wondering............


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The problem with E is that the pronoun they is ambiguous. It could refer either to habits or to dancers and gymnasts.

The omission of the word ballet seems to be inadvertent; in a GMAT test, you would probably not find such omissions.



hi sayantanc2k
I really confused with this one, in E " they" don't have an ambiguity, because habits don't desire to be thin
I remember the expert in other questions that pronoun should make sense if we want to say pronoun ambiguity

could you elaborate this?
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sayantanc2k wrote:
mahakmalik wrote:
Is it a possibility that we can eliminate E on the basis that in original it is mentioned ballet dancers whereas in E it says dancers...........
Just wondering............


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The problem with E is that the pronoun they is ambiguous. It could refer either to habits or to dancers and gymnasts.

The omission of the word ballet seems to be inadvertent; in a GMAT test, you would probably not find such omissions.



hi sayantanc2k
I really confused with this one, in E " they" don't have an ambiguity, because habits don't desire to be thin
I remember the expert in other questions that pronoun should make sense if we want to say pronoun ambiguity

could you elaborate this?


I 've been asking this for long time, unfortunately no explanations yet. How can "good eating habits desire to be as thin as possible" in E ?I asked that back in august:)
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deucebigalow We don't always have to have two sensible interpretations to have ambiguity. We are also trying to make the sentence as clear and easy to read as possible. While I agree that the meaning of E is clear, and I'm not sure E would appear as a wrong answer on an official question, notice that D is identical in every way except that the order dictates exactly what "they" refers to. The #1 question when we're trying to determine if something is a problem is this: Do we have a valid sentence that fixes it? D fixes this issue without introducing any new problems, so it's the winner.
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At my choice was also E but when I read it carefully I recognize the word habits (noun ) they can refer to habits in obsion E plz ... Correct answer is D

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