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# 430-550-560-650 Looking to retake

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21 May 2019, 18:17
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I sat the test yesterday and scored 650 (Q47, V33) .ESR attached

My prep

Quant

• Completed the Majority of the Target Test Prep program
• Augmented with a little bit of GMATClub questions for quant weak areas.
• Finished about 1/2 of the OG, didn't touch Quantitative review.

Verbal

• Aristotle SC and RC
• Powerscore CR
• Finished OG and Verbal Review 19 for SC and CR, haven't practiced nearly as much RC, so i have a heap of questions left.
• In the last 2 weeks leading up to my exam I practiced with a bit of magoosh - i've only completed about 1/4 of their verbal questions and they're decent!

Practice Tests

• April 24th 2019 - GMATPrep 2 - 640 (Q44, V32)
• GMATClub Test - Q41 (Quant Only)
• May 12th 2019 - GMATPrep 5 - 690 (Q44, V40)
• GMATClub Test Q40 (Quant Only)
Previous practice tests contained from my last fight with the GMAT in the 4 months leading up to December 2018
• Nov 9 660 (V33, Q48)
• Nov 14 680 (V38, Q46)
• Nov 24 670 (V38, Q44)
• GMATFocus Test 1 - Nov 19th - Q46 - 50 Estimated
• GMATFocus Test 2 - Nov 26th - Q45-49 Estimated
• GMATFocus Test 3 - Dec 3 - Q45-49 Estimated
• GMATFocus Test 4 - Dec 7 - Q45 - 49 Estimated
• GMATClub Quant - Dec 10 - Q45
[*] Official GMAT (2nd take) December 13 - 550 (bombed terribly because of nerves)

Took January off, started prep Mid Feb to Now (Prep entailed what I described above)

Official GMAT 21st May - 650 (Q47, V33)
• In the week leading up to this I focused a lot on Quant weak areas, but practiced verbal in Magoosh and some of OG. My Verbal practice was really inconsistent compared to how structured my approach to Quant was.

Here's why I think I didn't do well:
• Didn't do enough practice exams to develop my exam taking technique - you can see I started pretty
• I didn't review past mistakes incrementally. I merely reviewed them after the question and that's it. In between GMATPrep 2 and GMATPrep 5 I was recommended to revise SC by writing down physical flash cards and reviewing them incrementally. I did this in between GMATPrep2 and 5, and my SC went from 6 incorrect to 0 incorrect. I didn't do any revision of past mistakes in between.

My plan
• I'm taking a quick holiday interstate from tomorrow to Sunday, but I'll continue to maintain the sharpness of my saw if that makes sense - i'm not going to take a break as that led to knowledge loss previously
• Plan for a retake within a month or so depending.
• Hire a verbal tutor
• Develop my test taking ability

TTP If you read this I know I said I wasn't going to post, but I want to gauge interpretations of the ESR!

generis and MartyTargetTestPrep it would be great to get you input, particularly in regards to my ESR.

I'm not going to be starting any new course or anything from scratch. I'm fairly confident in my approach, I just need to action the areas I mentioned above and I believe a tutor could help with that.
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21 May 2019, 20:07
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Hi dcummins.

There are two things that jump out as interesting. One is the difficulty level of the questions that you answered and the other is your weak areas.

If you look at the difficultly level of the questions that you answered correctly, you see that the line is basically flat from the beginning of the quant section to the end. So, to score higher, you have to get correct some questions that are more difficult than are on average the ones you have been answering correctly.

Probably, doing some or all of the following would result in your answering more difficult questions correctly.

- Strengthen weaker areas so that you can answer more questions more quickly. By more quickly answering some of the quant questions you are seeing, you will give yourself more time to correctly answer questions that are more difficult.

- Work on accuracy. Much of what makes questions more difficult is their being set up to get you to make silly errors. Questions may be more tricky than complex. For some ideas on how to improve your accuracy, you could read this post. Improving Your Accuracy on the GMAT

- Do slow quant practice that involves working on difficult questions until you get to correct answers, no matter how long it takes. Get into the mode of correctly answering difficult questions, and then seek to speed up naturally by finding ways to be more efficient and developing skill. If you can get them correct in 10 minutes each, you can learn to get them correct in 2 minutes each. See how many difficult questions you can get correct in a row if you take as much time as you need.

Regarding your quant weaker areas, you can see which areas they are, with GEOMETRY coming in second place and EQUAL./INEQUAL./ALG. being the land of opportunity. You can't go wrong focusing on those weaker areas and making them into stronger ones.

OK, now, let's move to verbal.

Looking at the average difficulty level of your correctly answered questions in verbal, you can see that, although your hit rates in the quartiles jumped all over the place, the difficultly level was pretty steady, though not as steady as the difficulty level of the quant questions that you answered correctly. What this information seems to indicate is that the level of sophistication of the thinking that you are bringing to bear when answering verbal questions has to increase for your verbal score to increase. To get more difficult questions correct, you have to take your thinking to another level.

Regarding your stronger and weaker areas in verbal, you can tell that RC needs work and that, in SC, you have to be more aware of grammar issues. As you already are aware, you have room to become stronger in any area of verbal.

Just remember that, whether you are working on your own or working with a tutor, one of your verbal goals has to be to increase the level of the sophistication of the thinking that you are bringing to bear when answering the questions. Merely learning a bunch of rules and gimmicky strategies will not result in your increasing the level of the sophistication of the thinking that you are bringing to bear. Yes, your ESR indicates that you may benefit from reviewing some grammar rules, but doing so will not increase the overall level of what you are doing when you answer verbal questions. You have to learn to more clearly define the differences between incorrect or trap choices and correct answers. Part of your path to doing so will involve slow, careful practice involving carefully analyzing questions and answer choices to develop an eye for the type of logic that defines why choices are incorrect or correct. The more clearly you see the cool twists of the verbal questions and the ways in which the writers make the questions tricky, the higher will be the difficulty levels of the questions that you answer correctly, and the higher you will score.

Have fun driving your score higher!
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21 May 2019, 20:40
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MartyTargetTestPrep wrote:
POST ABOVE

Hi Marty,

Thank you for taking the time to review my ESR and provide me with a detailed response.

In terms of Quant, I was actually cognizant of my these two specific weak areas - Inequalities and Geometry - leading up to it, so I need to continue to work on these areas more and more.

Thank you for your advice and suggestions on Quant - I think this is is incredibly astute of you.

In terms of Verbal, what the ESR may or may not reflect is that with about 8-9 questions left to complete I only had about 9-10 minutes on the clock remaining, so I had to guess a number and rush a number of questions - the key contenders I guessed on were the second / third RC question of a passage or CR questions. The last 5 questions were SC and a lot of them were rushed - pressure was felt.

I was definitely aware of the difficulty I was operating in when I touched on those harder questions - for example I came across some extremely abstract CR questions and a very complicated history passage. I think I need greater exposure to these types of questions to feel comfortable.

Specifically on RC - I'll be honest I believe this just comes down to practice and consistency. The only reason I've made strides in my Quant is because i'm extremely methodical and consistent about how and what I should be doing.

I tend to think of preparation in the following frames of mind: Learning < Diagnosis (answering questions) < Insight (learnings):
Learning -
In the learning phase I learn the content. Target Test Prep serves Quant up on a silver platter, but It's been a bit trial-and-error for verbal for me to figure out what's worked.
This phase is complete with the exception of verbal. I have not incrementally reviewed the flash cards I created - these are largely in Anki.
Diagnosis -
aim: figure out what I don't know by finding errors and weaknesses
How: questions/ tests.

Insight - aim: accelerate learning of that weak concept.
How:
- flash card reviews of previously answered incorrect questions
- feynmann technique / engaging in discussions on forums on incorrect questions

From your insight and my awareness of my self-prep pitfalls I think I that I need to make review a habit to move the information (grammar and awareness of logical pitfalls in incorrect questions) into my sub-conscious. Then get acclimated with answering harder questions.

In terms of increasing my sophistication, I began reviewing questions after solving them incorrectly, reasoning out why questions were wrong for SC and CR . E.g. "this question fails to consider X as an alternative cause". I've been fairly clear on why something is wrong as I recall reading a prompt in which you specified this to a user. The review takes me about 10-20 minutes or more per question, so it's taken me some time to complete.
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22 May 2019, 05:45
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dcummins wrote:
Specifically on RC - I'll be honest I believe this just comes down to practice and consistency. The only reason I've made strides in my Quant is because i'm extremely methodical and consistent about how and what I should be doing.

That pretty much nails it.

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In terms of increasing my sophistication, I began reviewing questions after solving them incorrectly, reasoning out why questions were wrong for SC and CR . E.g. "this question fails to consider X as an alternative cause". I've been fairly clear on why something is wrong as I recall reading a prompt in which you specified this to a user. The review takes me about 10-20 minutes or more per question, so it's taken me some time to complete.

It's possible that you should be putting more of that 10 -20 minutes into the questions before you choose an answer. Imagine what your hit rates and streak lengths would be if, in order to choose an answer, you were to spend 10 to 20 minutes on each question and do as much analysis as you sometimes do after you answer them. You can be sure, that, once you become accustomed to answering them correctly, you will find ways to speed up and will naturally speed up as you develop skill.

See your job as arriving at correct answers, in whatever amount of time it takes. As you become more experienced, you'll do your job faster.

Overall, looking good. With your approach, you'll rock the test.
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Hi Dan,

I’m super happy for you, and I’m so pumped to see that TTP has helped you achieve such an amazing score increase. Also, I know that you’ve been hitting the GMAT hard for over a year now, showing some amazing determination, so honestly, be PROUD OF THAT!!

In any case, I’m confident that we will get you to the finish line with a 700+ GMAT score. I know you are in contact with Jeff regarding your game plan. So, I know you are in good hands.

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Originally posted by ScottTargetTestPrep on 22 May 2019, 09:05.
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22 May 2019, 11:44
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dcummins, I'm not going to say anything terribly useful here, since the TTP folks have that covered. But this post caught my eye, because... holy crap, you've gone from a 430 to a 550 to a 560 to a 650?!?!

Regardless of what happens from here, you've achieved one hell of a thing already, and I think I've seen you on GMAT Club enough to know that you've worked awfully hard for it. Improving by 220 points is incredibly difficult, and you deserve a victory lap, some cookies, and some not-valuable-enough kudos from some wackadoodle on GMAT Club who pretends to be a ninja.

If you plan to keep slugging away, you might consider trying some LSAT for RC and maybe CR. It looks like reading speed is a major issue, and the hope would be that doing a bunch of really tough LSAT questions might help you improve in that area. Check out the LSAT article and maybe the beginner's guides in my signature, and see if those help a bit.

But either way, I think some congratulations are in order here. Good luck with your retake, and congratulations on everything you've achieved so far! I have tons of respect for what you've done.
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Hi Dcummins - what is your target score?

By the way, good improvement! Congrats on getting a 650!
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22 May 2019, 21:40
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Hi!
Congrats on your improvement. I know how hard it is to raise from 400lvl. But I have a rather general question, in the sub-section rankings of your verbal, it states that your RC is 51st percentile, is it your ability or accuracy rate?
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23 May 2019, 03:07
MartyTargetTestPrep wrote:
dcummins wrote:
Specifically on RC - I'll be honest I believe this just comes down to practice and consistency. The only reason I've made strides in my Quant is because i'm extremely methodical and consistent about how and what I should be doing.

That pretty much nails it.

Quote:
In terms of increasing my sophistication, I began reviewing questions after solving them incorrectly, reasoning out why questions were wrong for SC and CR . E.g. "this question fails to consider X as an alternative cause". I've been fairly clear on why something is wrong as I recall reading a prompt in which you specified this to a user. The review takes me about 10-20 minutes or more per question, so it's taken me some time to complete.

It's possible that you should be putting more of that 10 -20 minutes into the questions before you choose an answer. Imagine what your hit rates and streak lengths would be if, in order to choose an answer, you were to spend 10 to 20 minutes on each question and do as much analysis as you sometimes do after you answer them. You can be sure, that, once you become accustomed to answering them correctly, you will find ways to speed up and will naturally speed up as you develop skill.

See your job as arriving at correct answers, in whatever amount of time it takes. As you become more experienced, you'll do your job faster.

Overall, looking good. With your approach, you'll rock the test.

Thanks for your insight once again, Marty!

I didn't look at Verbal in the way you pointed out (bolded). I think this is something that without a doubt should bridge the gap to finish line
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23 May 2019, 03:11
ScottTargetTestPrep wrote:
Hi Dan,

I’m super happy for you, and I’m so pumped to see that TTP has helped you achieve such an amazing score increase. Also, I know that you’ve been hitting the GMAT hard for over a year now, showing some amazing determination, so honestly, be PROUD OF THAT!!

In any case, I’m confident that we will get you to the finish line with a 700+ GMAT score. I know you are in contact with Jeff regarding your game plan. So, I know you are in good hands.

We’ve got your back my friend!!

Thanks for your kind words, Scott.

Yourself and Jeff have been extremely supportive, taking the time to answer any of my questions and providing me with detailed guidance on the steps I need to take. It feels as if I've embarked on a journey with you guys!

I think yourself, Jeff and the TTP platform are the cornerstone to my GMAT strides, and when it's done and dusted I think this needs to be recognised in one way shape or form.

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23 May 2019, 03:25
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GMATNinja wrote:
dcummins, I'm not going to say anything terribly useful here, since the TTP folks have that covered. But this post caught my eye, because... holy crap, you've gone from a 430 to a 550 to a 560 to a 650?!?!

Regardless of what happens from here, you've achieved one hell of a thing already, and I think I've seen you on GMAT Club enough to know that you've worked awfully hard for it. Improving by 220 points is incredibly difficult, and you deserve a victory lap, some cookies, and some not-valuable-enough kudos from some wackadoodle on GMAT Club who pretends to be a ninja.

If you plan to keep slugging away, you might consider trying some LSAT for RC and maybe CR. It looks like reading speed is a major issue, and the hope would be that doing a bunch of really tough LSAT questions might help you improve in that area. Check out the LSAT article and maybe the beginner's guides in my signature, and see if those help a bit.

But either way, I think some congratulations are in order here. Good luck with your retake, and congratulations on everything you've achieved so far! I have tons of respect for what you've done.

Hi Charles,

Definitely going to retake - it's not over till it's over! So I'm going to look into the LSAT referral - thank you!

For clarity to those reading, the 430 was an MGMAT test I sat. I believe I created a thread 2 years ago in which I asked for advice haha.. wow what a journey it's been!

I was brought up in lower-economic living - my parents are farmers and I was made to work very hard to support my family and for anything I wanted. I then translated this ethic into bodybuilding, then into my corporate career and now to the GMAT. Nothing has really come easy and I think this whole process has humbled me even more. So for anyone out there reading this, you should know that despite where you start on the starting line, each question/ learning you undertake in this GMAT process is another step forward towards your goals.

When I achieve that 700+ score I'll create a brief video to better encourage others in my position.
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bb wrote:
Hi Dcummins - what is your target score?

By the way, good improvement! Congrats on getting a 650!

Hi bb, sorry i forgot to reply!

I'm targeting a 730 (dream score)
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26 May 2019, 03:55
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Hi!
Congrats on your improvement. I know how hard it is to raise from 400lvl. But I have a rather general question, in the sub-section rankings of your verbal, it states that your RC is 51st percentile, is it your ability or accuracy rate?

Hi nigina93,

I honestly have no idea. I believe this is my sub-sectional percentile ranking? So it's likely a mix of accuracy and ability
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dcummins wrote:
nigina93 wrote:
Hi!
Congrats on your improvement. I know how hard it is to raise from 400lvl. But I have a rather general question, in the sub-section rankings of your verbal, it states that your RC is 51st percentile, is it your ability or accuracy rate?

Hi nigina93,

I honestly have no idea. I believe this is my sub-sectional percentile ranking? So it's likely a mix of accuracy and ability

Yup, the 51st percentile is meant to be a reflection of your ability level on RC. Basically, it's saying that you scored higher than 51% of all GMAT test-takers on RC.

Take those question-level scores with a grain of salt, though. There are only 9 or 10 non-experimental RC questions on the GMAT, so an extra error or two can swing your percentiles by quite a bit. It's useful to see that you could use some extra study time on RC, but I wouldn't take the number TOO literally when it's calculated from so few questions.
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I hope this helps a bit!
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GMATNinja wrote:
dcummins wrote:
nigina93 wrote:
Hi!
Congrats on your improvement. I know how hard it is to raise from 400lvl. But I have a rather general question, in the sub-section rankings of your verbal, it states that your RC is 51st percentile, is it your ability or accuracy rate?

Hi nigina93,

I honestly have no idea. I believe this is my sub-sectional percentile ranking? So it's likely a mix of accuracy and ability

Yup, the 51st percentile is meant to be a reflection of your ability level on RC. Basically, it's saying that you scored higher than 51% of all GMAT test-takers on RC.

Take those question-level scores with a grain of salt, though. There are only 9 or 10 non-experimental RC questions on the GMAT, so an extra error or two can swing your percentiles by quite a bit. It's useful to see that you could use some extra study time on RC, but I wouldn't take the number TOO literally when it's calculated from so few questions.
'
I hope this helps a bit!

Sure does!

Thank you

Just got back from a short 4-day holiday, so tomorrow commences the final leg of the GMAT marathon haha
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13 Jun 2019, 16:30
Hi All,

Just over 2 weeks into my post-sitting prep and I just wanted to ask a few questions.

What is more apparent to me now than ever is that my Verbal is completely hamstrung by RC timing.

I've answered a number of OG questions and I've found the following:
• My reading times are inconsistent but it can take me from 2 to ~4mins to read the passage properly
• It can take me up to 13 minutes to solve a complete RC passage + questions.
The question below, for example, took me a total of 12.5 mins (and this is a short passage)
https://gmatclub.com/forum/historians-who-study-european-women-of-the-renaissance-try-to-measure-268528.html
• Sometimes it helps to make a passage map containing the "WHY"- why did the author write this para...e.g "to introduce a hypothesis", "to detail examples". This "why" is written for each Paragraph and then I write the "topic", "scope" and "purpose (or tone: critical/ discussion etc.)". Sometimes it may not help to make the passage map as I've only ever referred to it if my comprehension of the passage is absolutely perfect, a rare occurrence, so the passage map may provide some unconscious retention benefits but for the most part it could be killing my time. is

As a counter, I"m going to consciously mentally ask 'why' and see how this goes.
• I find that RC is probably the topic i'm least enthused to study - probably because it's the topic i'm performing worst at
• Irrespective of my reading time I still go back to the passage unless it's a Main Idea type question, in which case I would only go back to the passage if it was really hard for me to determine wtf was said
• I find I often re-read the question
• I haven't been timing myself that often during RC prep. I've purely focused on raising my accuracy.
Right now I still have a bunch of OG VR questions left before I hop on over to the LSAT questions GMATNinja mentioned.

Based on what I've mentioned above I can deduce that I need to:
• Limit writing - instead I'll only try note the main idea and tone, but mentally consider the relationships of each paragraph (I've found this to improve with practice - might be obvious but i never consciously made an effort before).
• Limit re-reading the question. Perhaps I'm reading the questions and passages to quickly at times

If anyone has any other suggestions or comments then i'm all ears.

*EDIT* Attached my RC error log.

Majority of errors are made on science passages in the 600-700 level difficulty.
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Hi All,

Just over 2 weeks into my post-sitting prep and I just wanted to ask a few questions.

What is more apparent to me now than ever is that my Verbal is completely hamstrung by RC timing.

• I find that RC is probably the topic i'm least enthused to study - probably because it's the topic i'm performing worst at
• Irrespective of my reading time I still go back to the passage unless it's a Main Idea type question, in which case I would only go back to the passage if it was really hard for me to determine wtf was said
• I find I often re-read the question
• I haven't been timing myself that often during RC prep. I've purely focused on raising my accuracy.
Right now I still have a bunch of OG VR questions left before I hop on over to the LSAT questions GMATNinja mentioned.

Based on what I've mentioned above I can deduce that I need to:
• Limit writing - instead I'll only try note the main idea and tone, but mentally consider the relationships of each paragraph (I've found this to improve with practice - might be obvious but i never consciously made an effort before).
• Limit re-reading the question. Perhaps I'm reading the questions and passages to quickly at times

If anyone has any other suggestions or comments then i'm all ears.

Hi Dan.

Number one: working on accuracy is key. Timing will always come with practice. Accuracy is the foundation of GMAT success. So, your prioritizing accuracy makes sense.

Regarding notes, most people working with me take few to no notes when answering GMAT verbal questions. From what I can see, taking notes is for most people a crutch to keep themselves focused. I guess we could use an analogy here. Which is faster, walking with crutches or walking without crutches? If you can keep yourself focused without your taking notes, then you should complete the questions faster.

Regarding reading passages, while a reading expert may be able to read, completely understand, and note the details of an entire passage in one reading, anyone else is probably better off reading the passage to get the general idea of how it presents what it presents and noting where the details lie so that he can go back and review them as necessary for correctly answering questions. So, speeding up involves figuring out how to and getting into the mode of achieving those aims efficiently. Once again, practice will make perfect.

I'm not sure how much this will help you to speed up, but RC answer choices tend to go from worst to best. So, if you are having trouble choosing a choice, probably you can at least eliminate one, at which point you can at least eliminate one of the four remaining, and so on. Maybe thinking that way will result in your being more efficient.

Also, keep working on developing your skill in clearly defining why choices are correct or incorrect. To train your eye, maybe also define why certain choices are tempting though incorrect. The better you are at clearly defining why choices are incorrect or correct, the faster and more accurately you will answer the questions, partly because you won't be circling through the choices as a result of your not really having defined why they are correct or incorrect. If you are super good at defining why choices are incorrect or correct and see through the traps, you will likely answer RC questions, and any other type of verbal questions, super quickly.
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POST ABOVE.

Thanks a heap, Marty!

Great suggestions.

The re-reading one is a killer. I noticed that I was doing this on CR as well and that I was doing it more if I was stressing.

I've found science passages to be my weakest link. In my EL attached there is clear evidence that focusing on this subject matter may help me make strides in solving <700 level passages correctly.

So first answer choices are typically the worst? I'll keep that in mind for sure.

Despite the pain points I've documented above, I have noticed that knocking out 3-4 passages daily has helped me significantly with comfort - now its just a matter of resolving the pain points, so I may increase my coverage provided I incorporate improvement points and don't compromise other topics
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So first answer choices are typically the worst? I'll keep that in mind for sure.

Did we connect on this? I am not sure that we did. What I was getting as is that you can always find a worst one to eliminate first, not that the first is usually the worst.

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Despite the pain points I've documented above, I have noticed that knocking out 3-4 passages daily has helped me significantly with comfort - now its just a matter of resolving the pain points, so I may increase my coverage provided I incorporate improvement points and don't compromise other topics

You can't go wrong with certain things, such as getting better at clearly defining why choices are incorrect or correct.

Overall, sounds like a plan!
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dcummins wrote:
So first answer choices are typically the worst? I'll keep that in mind for sure.

Did we connect on this? I am not sure that we did. What I was getting as is that you can always find a worst one to eliminate first, not that the first is usually the worst.

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Despite the pain points I've documented above, I have noticed that knocking out 3-4 passages daily has helped me significantly with comfort - now its just a matter of resolving the pain points, so I may increase my coverage provided I incorporate improvement points and don't compromise other topics

You can't go wrong with certain things, such as getting better at clearly defining why choices are incorrect or correct.

Overall, sounds like a plan!

There goes my RC Ability being put to the test haha...

Yep in no general order they go from worst to best. I thought you meant worst to best in terms of (A) to (E). My bad

Will keep at it.

I haven't taken a practice test since sitting the official over 2 weeks ago now, so I'm incline to plan out my last GMATPrep test before I recycle the tests.
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