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Specifically on RC - I'll be honest I believe this just comes down to practice and consistency. The only reason I've made strides in my Quant is because i'm extremely methodical and consistent about how and what I should be doing.
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It's possible that you should be putting more of that 10 -20 minutes into the questions before you choose an answer. Imagine what your hit rates and streak lengths would be if, in order to choose an answer, you were to spend 10 to 20 minutes on each question and do as much analysis as you sometimes do after you answer them. You can be sure, that, once you become accustomed to answering them correctly, you will find ways to speed up and will naturally speed up as you develop skill.

See your job as arriving at correct answers, in whatever amount of time it takes. As you become more experienced, you'll do your job faster.

Overall, looking good. With your approach, you'll rock the test.
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Hi Dan,

I’m super happy for you, and I’m so pumped to see that TTP has helped you achieve such an amazing score increase. Also, I know that you’ve been hitting the GMAT hard for over a year now, showing some amazing determination, so honestly, be PROUD OF THAT!!

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dcummins, I'm not going to say anything terribly useful here, since the TTP folks have that covered. But this post caught my eye, because... holy crap, you've gone from a 430 to a 550 to a 560 to a 650?!?!

Regardless of what happens from here, you've achieved one hell of a thing already, and I think I've seen you on GMAT Club enough to know that you've worked awfully hard for it. Improving by 220 points is incredibly difficult, and you deserve a victory lap, some cookies, and some not-valuable-enough kudos from some wackadoodle on GMAT Club who pretends to be a ninja. ;)

If you plan to keep slugging away, you might consider trying some LSAT for RC and maybe CR. It looks like reading speed is a major issue, and the hope would be that doing a bunch of really tough LSAT questions might help you improve in that area. Check out the LSAT article and maybe the beginner's guides in my signature, and see if those help a bit.

But either way, I think some congratulations are in order here. Good luck with your retake, and congratulations on everything you've achieved so far! I have tons of respect for what you've done.
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Hi Dcummins - what is your target score?

By the way, good improvement! Congrats on getting a 650!
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Congrats on your improvement. I know how hard it is to raise from 400lvl. But I have a rather general question, in the sub-section rankings of your verbal, it states that your RC is 51st percentile, is it your ability or accuracy rate?
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Specifically on RC - I'll be honest I believe this just comes down to practice and consistency. The only reason I've made strides in my Quant is because i'm extremely methodical and consistent about how and what I should be doing.
That pretty much nails it.

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It's possible that you should be putting more of that 10 -20 minutes into the questions before you choose an answer. Imagine what your hit rates and streak lengths would be if, in order to choose an answer, you were to spend 10 to 20 minutes on each question and do as much analysis as you sometimes do after you answer them. You can be sure, that, once you become accustomed to answering them correctly, you will find ways to speed up and will naturally speed up as you develop skill.

See your job as arriving at correct answers, in whatever amount of time it takes. As you become more experienced, you'll do your job faster.

Overall, looking good. With your approach, you'll rock the test.


Thanks for your insight once again, Marty!

I didn't look at Verbal in the way you pointed out (bolded). I think this is something that without a doubt should bridge the gap to finish line
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Hi Dan,

I’m super happy for you, and I’m so pumped to see that TTP has helped you achieve such an amazing score increase. Also, I know that you’ve been hitting the GMAT hard for over a year now, showing some amazing determination, so honestly, be PROUD OF THAT!!

In any case, I’m confident that we will get you to the finish line with a 700+ GMAT score. I know you are in contact with Jeff regarding your game plan. So, I know you are in good hands.

We’ve got your back my friend!!

Thanks for your kind words, Scott.

Yourself and Jeff have been extremely supportive, taking the time to answer any of my questions and providing me with detailed guidance on the steps I need to take. It feels as if I've embarked on a journey with you guys!

I think yourself, Jeff and the TTP platform are the cornerstone to my GMAT strides, and when it's done and dusted I think this needs to be recognised in one way shape or form.

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dcummins, I'm not going to say anything terribly useful here, since the TTP folks have that covered. But this post caught my eye, because... holy crap, you've gone from a 430 to a 550 to a 560 to a 650?!?!

Regardless of what happens from here, you've achieved one hell of a thing already, and I think I've seen you on GMAT Club enough to know that you've worked awfully hard for it. Improving by 220 points is incredibly difficult, and you deserve a victory lap, some cookies, and some not-valuable-enough kudos from some wackadoodle on GMAT Club who pretends to be a ninja. ;)

If you plan to keep slugging away, you might consider trying some LSAT for RC and maybe CR. It looks like reading speed is a major issue, and the hope would be that doing a bunch of really tough LSAT questions might help you improve in that area. Check out the LSAT article and maybe the beginner's guides in my signature, and see if those help a bit.

But either way, I think some congratulations are in order here. Good luck with your retake, and congratulations on everything you've achieved so far! I have tons of respect for what you've done.

Hi Charles,

Thanks so much for your advice and compliments.

Definitely going to retake - it's not over till it's over! So I'm going to look into the LSAT referral - thank you!

For clarity to those reading, the 430 was an MGMAT test I sat. I believe I created a thread 2 years ago in which I asked for advice haha.. wow what a journey it's been!

I was brought up in lower-economic living - my parents are farmers and I was made to work very hard to support my family and for anything I wanted. I then translated this ethic into bodybuilding, then into my corporate career and now to the GMAT. Nothing has really come easy and I think this whole process has humbled me even more. So for anyone out there reading this, you should know that despite where you start on the starting line, each question/ learning you undertake in this GMAT process is another step forward towards your goals.

When I achieve that 700+ score I'll create a brief video to better encourage others in my position.
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Hi Dcummins - what is your target score?

By the way, good improvement! Congrats on getting a 650!

Hi bb, sorry i forgot to reply!

I'm targeting a 730 (dream score)
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Congrats on your improvement. I know how hard it is to raise from 400lvl. But I have a rather general question, in the sub-section rankings of your verbal, it states that your RC is 51st percentile, is it your ability or accuracy rate?


Hi nigina93,

I honestly have no idea. I believe this is my sub-sectional percentile ranking? So it's likely a mix of accuracy and ability
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Congrats on your improvement. I know how hard it is to raise from 400lvl. But I have a rather general question, in the sub-section rankings of your verbal, it states that your RC is 51st percentile, is it your ability or accuracy rate?


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I honestly have no idea. I believe this is my sub-sectional percentile ranking? So it's likely a mix of accuracy and ability
Yup, the 51st percentile is meant to be a reflection of your ability level on RC. Basically, it's saying that you scored higher than 51% of all GMAT test-takers on RC.

Take those question-level scores with a grain of salt, though. There are only 9 or 10 non-experimental RC questions on the GMAT, so an extra error or two can swing your percentiles by quite a bit. It's useful to see that you could use some extra study time on RC, but I wouldn't take the number TOO literally when it's calculated from so few questions.
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I hope this helps a bit!
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I honestly have no idea. I believe this is my sub-sectional percentile ranking? So it's likely a mix of accuracy and ability
Yup, the 51st percentile is meant to be a reflection of your ability level on RC. Basically, it's saying that you scored higher than 51% of all GMAT test-takers on RC.

Take those question-level scores with a grain of salt, though. There are only 9 or 10 non-experimental RC questions on the GMAT, so an extra error or two can swing your percentiles by quite a bit. It's useful to see that you could use some extra study time on RC, but I wouldn't take the number TOO literally when it's calculated from so few questions.
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Sure does!

Thank you

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Hi All,

Just over 2 weeks into my post-sitting prep and I just wanted to ask a few questions.

What is more apparent to me now than ever is that my Verbal is completely hamstrung by RC timing.

I've answered a number of OG questions and I've found the following:
  • My reading times are inconsistent but it can take me from 2 to ~4mins to read the passage properly
  • It can take me up to 13 minutes to solve a complete RC passage + questions.
The question below, for example, took me a total of 12.5 mins (and this is a short passage)
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  • Sometimes it helps to make a passage map containing the "WHY"- why did the author write this para...e.g "to introduce a hypothesis", "to detail examples". This "why" is written for each Paragraph and then I write the "topic", "scope" and "purpose (or tone: critical/ discussion etc.)". Sometimes it may not help to make the passage map as I've only ever referred to it if my comprehension of the passage is absolutely perfect, a rare occurrence, so the passage map may provide some unconscious retention benefits but for the most part it could be killing my time. is

As a counter, I"m going to consciously mentally ask 'why' and see how this goes.
  • I find that RC is probably the topic i'm least enthused to study - probably because it's the topic i'm performing worst at
  • Irrespective of my reading time I still go back to the passage unless it's a Main Idea type question, in which case I would only go back to the passage if it was really hard for me to determine wtf was said
  • I find I often re-read the question
  • I haven't been timing myself that often during RC prep. I've purely focused on raising my accuracy.
Right now I still have a bunch of OG VR questions left before I hop on over to the LSAT questions GMATNinja mentioned.

Based on what I've mentioned above I can deduce that I need to:
  • Limit writing - instead I'll only try note the main idea and tone, but mentally consider the relationships of each paragraph (I've found this to improve with practice - might be obvious but i never consciously made an effort before).
  • Limit re-reading the question. Perhaps I'm reading the questions and passages to quickly at times


If anyone has any other suggestions or comments then i'm all ears.


*EDIT* Attached my RC error log.

Majority of errors are made on science passages in the 600-700 level difficulty.
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Just over 2 weeks into my post-sitting prep and I just wanted to ask a few questions.

What is more apparent to me now than ever is that my Verbal is completely hamstrung by RC timing.

  • I find that RC is probably the topic i'm least enthused to study - probably because it's the topic i'm performing worst at
  • Irrespective of my reading time I still go back to the passage unless it's a Main Idea type question, in which case I would only go back to the passage if it was really hard for me to determine wtf was said
  • I find I often re-read the question
  • I haven't been timing myself that often during RC prep. I've purely focused on raising my accuracy.
Right now I still have a bunch of OG VR questions left before I hop on over to the LSAT questions GMATNinja mentioned.

Based on what I've mentioned above I can deduce that I need to:
  • Limit writing - instead I'll only try note the main idea and tone, but mentally consider the relationships of each paragraph (I've found this to improve with practice - might be obvious but i never consciously made an effort before).
  • Limit re-reading the question. Perhaps I'm reading the questions and passages to quickly at times

If anyone has any other suggestions or comments then i'm all ears.
Hi Dan.

Number one: working on accuracy is key. Timing will always come with practice. Accuracy is the foundation of GMAT success. So, your prioritizing accuracy makes sense.

Regarding notes, most people working with me take few to no notes when answering GMAT verbal questions. From what I can see, taking notes is for most people a crutch to keep themselves focused. I guess we could use an analogy here. Which is faster, walking with crutches or walking without crutches? If you can keep yourself focused without your taking notes, then you should complete the questions faster.

Regarding rereading questions, I used to do the same thing, and since you may be using rereading questions as a method for fully understanding the questions, you may find, as I did, that learning to generally read the questions once will take some adjustment, since, at first you may not fully understand them in one reading, as you are accustomed to reading them more than once. In any case, your learning to understand the questions without repeatedly reading them should result in your speeding up. Sure, you may reread sometimes, but you don't have to reread habitually.

Regarding reading passages, while a reading expert may be able to read, completely understand, and note the details of an entire passage in one reading, anyone else is probably better off reading the passage to get the general idea of how it presents what it presents and noting where the details lie so that he can go back and review them as necessary for correctly answering questions. So, speeding up involves figuring out how to and getting into the mode of achieving those aims efficiently. Once again, practice will make perfect.

I'm not sure how much this will help you to speed up, but RC answer choices tend to go from worst to best. So, if you are having trouble choosing a choice, probably you can at least eliminate one, at which point you can at least eliminate one of the four remaining, and so on. Maybe thinking that way will result in your being more efficient.

Also, keep working on developing your skill in clearly defining why choices are correct or incorrect. To train your eye, maybe also define why certain choices are tempting though incorrect. The better you are at clearly defining why choices are incorrect or correct, the faster and more accurately you will answer the questions, partly because you won't be circling through the choices as a result of your not really having defined why they are correct or incorrect. If you are super good at defining why choices are incorrect or correct and see through the traps, you will likely answer RC questions, and any other type of verbal questions, super quickly.
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Thanks a heap, Marty!

Great suggestions.

The re-reading one is a killer. I noticed that I was doing this on CR as well and that I was doing it more if I was stressing.

I've found science passages to be my weakest link. In my EL attached there is clear evidence that focusing on this subject matter may help me make strides in solving <700 level passages correctly.

So first answer choices are typically the worst? I'll keep that in mind for sure.

Despite the pain points I've documented above, I have noticed that knocking out 3-4 passages daily has helped me significantly with comfort - now its just a matter of resolving the pain points, so I may increase my coverage provided I incorporate improvement points and don't compromise other topics
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So first answer choices are typically the worst? I'll keep that in mind for sure.
Did we connect on this? I am not sure that we did. What I was getting as is that you can always find a worst one to eliminate first, not that the first is usually the worst.

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You can't go wrong with certain things, such as getting better at clearly defining why choices are incorrect or correct.

Overall, sounds like a plan!
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So first answer choices are typically the worst? I'll keep that in mind for sure.
Did we connect on this? I am not sure that we did. What I was getting as is that you can always find a worst one to eliminate first, not that the first is usually the worst.

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Despite the pain points I've documented above, I have noticed that knocking out 3-4 passages daily has helped me significantly with comfort - now its just a matter of resolving the pain points, so I may increase my coverage provided I incorporate improvement points and don't compromise other topics
You can't go wrong with certain things, such as getting better at clearly defining why choices are incorrect or correct.

Overall, sounds like a plan!


There goes my RC Ability being put to the test haha...

Yep in no general order they go from worst to best. I thought you meant worst to best in terms of (A) to (E). My bad

Will keep at it.

I haven't taken a practice test since sitting the official over 2 weeks ago now, so I'm incline to plan out my last GMATPrep test before I recycle the tests.
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