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10 Apr 2012, 02:55
AbhiJ wrote:
Practice 100 SC questions from any reputable resource
1.) Aristotle SC.
2.) Manhattan Review Turbocharge Verbal
3.) Kaplan Verbal Workbook.

Then move to OG12.

But I've already completed 70 or 80% of all OG12 and OG Verbal 2 SC questions? Do you mean that I should do some practice from the above three resources prior to re-doing my error log including questions from the OG12?

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10 Apr 2012, 05:35
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Non native speakers have trouble moving straight to OG 12 SC, as an accuracy less than 80% can be detrimental to the confidence. Practicing from these sources, improves accuracy. Practicing chapter wise as given in Manhattan SC is counter productive in my opinion. This is because OG contains several errors together, and if you are focusing on one error you have a higher chance of missing the question. Also reading the explanation from OG will not make much sense as they will explain all the errors.

The most important thing is to finish OG12/0GV2 as the most difficult questions are in the last 25% . Also these are the 700+ questions types that you are going to face in actual exam
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10 Apr 2012, 06:49
OK, AbhiJ! I get your point!

Then I may have done it in an wrong way, but I have done all OG problems until chapter 10 in MGMAT SC. I aim to finish the book, and then maybe have a look at the three books you suggest (I already had the Aristotle SC in my mind). Which one would you suggest most by the way? Do you have a favourite one? Once I have practiced problems with just one error I'll try my error log, containing the ones I've guessed (high number) and the ones I've had wrong. Does this sound reasonable to you?

I generally think to finish SC withing the next days and then complete all 5 Quant Guides in a row. Hopefully until the end of April. Meanwhile, I'll still do new SC problems (preferrably Aristotle SC) and my old SC questions from the error log.

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10 Apr 2012, 07:10
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Once you have finished OG 12/OG V2, you can practice from other sources, SC grail has 100 question. Manhattan Review has 250 SC question. I liked Manhattan Review better. The point is to use these additional questions as a cushion/net practice so that you can truly internalize OG questions.Since you have finished the OG, you can focus on quant + some sporadic SC practice and when you start to forget the OG 12 answers, you can solve these questions again using all the MHSC concepts simultaneously. You would need to review the MHSC book once before attacking these questions, so that concepts are fresh for applying multiple concepts together. OG is the Bible as far as SC is concerned.
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10 Apr 2012, 08:27
Thanks a lot for the helpful reply! I'm really going to have a look at Aristotle SC Grail and Manhattan Review SC. Questions don't seem to be that many. Just today I did about 35-40 I concider ordering OG13 for the additional 130 new questions, but still await some feedback on that.

It's totally ridiculous, but I somehow enjoy this s*it I hope to boost my Verbal score (currently v34) to let's say around 40 only by improving SC. RC and CR are also difficult, but I'll keep them for the end, and put in between all Quant stuff (currently at q40).

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11 Apr 2012, 06:55
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I'll share my experience with SC. First of all, the grammar rules are not so hard to learn. The problem comes when you have to apply these rules for a very short time. Covering piles of "indispensable for a 700+ score" books, in my opinion, is a counterproductive approach, since they convey the same basic material, but with different words. Practising SC question is much more important than checking things you've already known. I've read MGAMT SC Guide and unfortunately the "before and after" effect was not so visible. Only when I stared to do the OG Questions again have I begun to improve my wrong/right answers ratio even with new questions. In this regard, it is better to take some questions again and again until you completely understand their logic and structure, with the caveat that you don't remember the exact answers. Gallopping over hundreds of questions, without understanding their entire logic is a waste of both time and unique questions.
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11 Apr 2012, 08:15
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If you do a lot of SC, you will be accustomed to its pattern . THe average time should be spent on SC is under 1 minutes and the gain in this section will help you get more time on difficult RC and CR.
Why don't you try SC1000..? In my opinion, it's quite good ( although some questions are debatable).
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11 Apr 2012, 08:43
@kapac: You name it! I tried to understand the logic behind every questions I solved (correct/guessed/wrong), but sometime the OG12 just was written in an ambiguous manner. Do I understand you right that, in your eyes, it's better to first re-do the SC problems from OG12 (when needed a couple of time) and then move to other resources?
Which other resources have you used?

@hellscream: I don't know how it was with all of you, but in fact now, that I've almost completed one time the entire MGMAT SC I have mixed feelings. It's just the fact that there are many SC topics which I understand, but just can't memorize resp. just don't see their pattern when solving the questions under the 60 sec time limit. I think I grasped above 90% of the theory in the book and am looking for the best way of developing my SC skills. I

I guess, today I would do fewer mistakes on SC in Verbal, but am still not perfect. At first, I planned to re-read the entire SC book, but currently more and more get the feeling that it would be better to re-read just my notes(about 20 pages) and then just do more SC problems, because only this training allows you to get familiar with a particular problem within this small time frame. How did you improve SC?
a) more theory?
b) more practice?

It's then another question which material to use until my second time with the OG12/error log. I should buy some practice questions, but which? OG13 (if it has some new SC practice problems), Aristotle SC Grail, SC1000, Manhattan Review SC. To be honest, I'm quite unsure about this.

Thank you ver much for your help!

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@kapac: You name it! I tried to understand the logic behind every questions I solved (correct/guessed/wrong), but sometime the OG12 just was written in an ambiguous manner. Do I understand you right that, in your eyes, it's better to first re-do the SC problems from OG12 (when needed a couple of time) and then move to other resources?
Which other resources have you used?

@hellscream: I don't know how it was with all of you, but in fact now, that I've almost completed one time the entire MGMAT SC I have mixed feelings. It's just the fact that there are many SC topics which I understand, but just can't memorize resp. just don't see their pattern when solving the questions under the 60 sec time limit. I think I grasped above 90% of the theory in the book and am looking for the best way of developing my SC skills. I

I guess, today I would do fewer mistakes on SC in Verbal, but am still not perfect. At first, I planned to re-read the entire SC book, but currently more and more get the feeling that it would be better to re-read just my notes(about 20 pages) and then just do more SC problems, because only this training allows you to get familiar with a particular problem within this small time frame. How did you improve SC?
a) more theory?
b) more practice?

It's then another question which material to use until my second time with the OG12/error log. I should buy some practice questions, but which? OG13 (if it has some new SC practice problems), Aristotle SC Grail, SC1000, Manhattan Review SC. To be honest, I'm quite unsure about this.

Thank you ver much for your help!

Regards,

SC is my favorite part compared to RC or CR. In my opinion, you should do OG first , move to other resources and return to OG after you have exhausted other material ( or G-day is in front of you :D). There is no point in redoing OG then moving to other resources as you will remember the answer from previous experience. I use Og 10+11+12, Verbal review, mgmat CATs, SC1000. If you can, find SAT tests and do their writing section. SC is waiting for u right there :D and I get to this point ( average SC <60s) thanks to a lot of experience from SAT.

About MGMAT SC, you should only review your notes , do more SC and review your mistake. Why do you need to re read all the book when you have your notes in hand, right :D. It's much more concise and it's your knowledge .
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11 Apr 2012, 09:21
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OG 13 has only 200 additional questions but you can get 400 questions on mba.com for 25\$.
I heard something good about SC grail , but I do not buy it as I am bankrupt :D, anyway if you can afford it, buy it.
SC1000 is free.....
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11 Apr 2012, 10:33
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hellscream,
personally speaking, I do remember the patterns, but not the exact answers. Maybe I don't have a long memory and maybe this approach is not suitable for people who have it. But it works perfectly for me, since we do aim at mastering those patterns. Moreover, I strongly believe that if you re-check a particular type of discrepancy in a pattern constantly, you'll become faster and faster in spotting it on the real exam. Thus, it is not without a reason to take a look over questions that you find interesting from time to time. For this purpose are flashcards created, aren't they ?
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11 Apr 2012, 12:01
Hi guys,

It seems - I should find the approach that works for me. What I can conclude is - it's all about the questions, not that much about the theoretical foundation. After a certain level, it all comes down to practicing. I'll try both things - work on the OG12 questions, which I've put wrong, and also look for new SC question sources. I'll be thankful, if you share your experience. If 1000SC is free than I can't loose anything. It's jsut the thing that I want to stick mostly to questions, which accurately represent the ones, I'll face at the exam. They should better be hard than easy ones. Nothing more
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@kapac: Each person has different strategies:). I am glad that you found one :D
@bgpower: http://thousandsc.blogspot.com/ Here it is :D. I used to do 50 SC1000 a day until I reached question 800... Check the answer and find online explanation for the questions. If some questions are debatable, forget them and move on. Hope it helps .
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12 Apr 2012, 01:30
Out of the topic question: Which exact date will you take the test? I'm on 2nd of June =). Maybe we are on the same boat....
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12 Apr 2012, 01:37
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Out of the topic question: Which exact date will you take the test? I'm on 2nd of June =). Maybe we are on the same boat....

Well, I started with the idea of sitting for the exam in the end of May (let's say 28). That's my goal. But if I see that time is not enough, I'll move it to June, no matter I'll face the new section (I've some forthcoming management consulting interviews and the integrated reasoning section will be a very good preparation for a certain type of tests they give there (as McKinsey PST)).

But we're definitely in one and the same boat Thanks for the 1000SC link. I'll make use of it.

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12 Apr 2012, 01:51
How about other section of verbal? CR and RC?
The June test is my first time doing GMAT so score is not so much important... anyway, I hope for 700+... :D
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12 Apr 2012, 06:24
I find myself a little slow in CR. When I focus on timing more, I find my accuracy even more worse. But, I have just started working on CR. So do I have to focus on getting the answers/concepts right originally before focusing on speed or do I have to focus on timing first?
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ShreeCS wrote:
I find myself a little slow in CR. When I focus on timing more, I find my accuracy even more worse. But, I have just started working on CR. So do I have to focus on getting the answers/concepts right originally before focusing on speed or do I have to focus on timing first?

Which books do you use for CR?
Accuracy is the most important thing. You should focus on the concepts and answers first. There is no point in rushing doing the questions and in the end you understand or gain nothing. With practice, you will be familiar with the pattern, leading to higher speed while maintaining the accuracy.
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12 Apr 2012, 08:17
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ShreeCS wrote:
I find myself a little slow in CR. When I focus on timing more, I find my accuracy even more worse. But, I have just started working on CR. So do I have to focus on getting the answers/concepts right originally before focusing on speed or do I have to focus on timing first?

Which books do you use for CR?
Accuracy is the most important thing. You should focus on the concepts and answers first. There is no point in rushing doing the questions and in the end you understand or gain nothing. With practice, you will be familiar with the pattern, leading to higher speed while maintaining the accuracy.

After doing MGMAT strategy guide, jumped onto OG12.
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12 Apr 2012, 08:22
Why don't you take a look at CR bible? I think it complements MGMAT CR in a good way.
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