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Twice as many Americans buy pizza as Indians buy salad. (or)
Twice as many Americans buy pizza as Indians who buy salad.


In this context, I think the above comparison is logical, however, I would definitely mark an option where I have,
The number of American buying pizza is greater than the number of Indians buying salad. ->Comparison is Logical.

However, had the context been,
Twice as many Americans buy pizza as Americans who buy salad - This would be wrong, for the simple reason that the two different sets are not mutually exclusive. you have to have the sets as mutually exclusive. --> it would have been incorrect.

The same thing is happening in Choice E as well.


as in --

Indians who buy pizza are twice the Indians who buy salads.

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Below are the two official questions that test the above concept. Request your comments.

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Because of the Sun, which is 400 times larger than the Moon, but also 400 times farther away from Earth, so both the Sun and the Moon have the same apparent size in the sky.

Wrong option
Four hundred times larger than the Moon and 400 times farther away from Earth, the Sun has the same apparent size in the sky as the Moon's.

The OA explanation says that the comparison is not clear in this option. It says "Moons what?"


Now, there is another GMAT Question Pack 1 question

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Because fish look through water, their eyes are very different from a mammal.

A. from a mammal
B. from a mammal's
C. from that of a mammal
D. than that of a mammal
E. than is a mammal's

OA is B here.


Can you shed some light on this contradiction?
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Now, there is another GMAT Question Pack 1 question

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Because fish look through water, their eyes are very different from a mammal.

A. from a mammal
B. from a mammal's
C. from that of a mammal
D. than that of a mammal
E. than is a mammal's

OA is B here.


Can you shed some light on this contradiction?[/quote]
Let me tell you my thought process -

See, whenever I see something in possessive, I invert the things,

as in,
their eyes are very different from a mammal.
can be written as
eyes of Fish are very different from a mammal

Clearly, Illogical comparison-> Eyes with Mammal.
Secondly, different from is incorrect.

A. from a mammal - incorrect comparison.

B. from a mammal's --.> here, Eyes of fish are same as those of mammal. - Correct.

C. from that of a mammal -> Here, that is incorrect. Had it been "those", it would have been correct..
Eyes of fish are same as those of a mammal

D. than that of a mammal -> different from is incorrect

E. than is a mammal's -> different from is incorrect

Let me know in case of any doubt.

Do show me your contradiction, lets make things in place.

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Because of the Sun, which is 400 times larger than the Moon, but also 400 times farther away from Earth, so both the Sun and the Moon have the same apparent size in the sky.

Wrong option
Four hundred times larger than the Moon and 400 times farther away from Earth, the Sun has the same apparent size in the sky as the Moon's.

The OA explanation says that the comparison is not clear in this option. It says "Moons what?"


Ohh I see, your contradiction. Apparently, there is no such contradiction.

Here is the reasoning-
Whenever you have structure such as :
X is more than Y - Comparison should be logical.
Here, OG is correct in saying because you have two nouns in place - sky as well as size. Hence Ambiguity in place. Remember, if there is an ambiguity in place, you shouldn't consider what seems logical as in.. you may argue that sky cannot be parallel to size.. Agreed. But it is the job of the author to make things as clear as he can, not the job of reader to decipher what Author is trying to say. Had that been the case, then lawyers/ business people would certainly take an edge by writing ambiguous contracts , and then justifying the contracts per their choice.
Hence, the choice is incorrect.

Makes sense. Please let me know.

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I think by constructing short sentences we can understand the required structure of comparison.

example : In civil war three times as many Americans were killed as killed in Vietnam war.

as many .... Americans were killed (verb) as (verb) killed in Vietnam war.

As subject is common at both ends we just need verb after as to complete the comparision.

Option D in original question
as charge ( verb) is technically OK.
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I am not sure whether the below construction is correct

Americans are twice as likely to buy pizza as Indians. (or) (Here "do" is in ellipsis) <--- is this correct?
Correct. The structure is: Americans ...as [........] as Indians... ==> The parallel structure is maintained.

While parallel struture is maintained, the comaprison itself is ambigous if we go by the meaning.
Meaning 1: Americans are twice as likely to buy pizza as they are to buy Indians
Meaning 2: Americans are twice as likely to buy pizza as are Indians (I think use of do is incorrect)
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I am not sure whether the below construction is correct


Americans are twice as likely to buy pizza as Indians. (or) (Here "do" is in ellipsis) <--- is this correct?
Correct. The structure is: Americans ...as [........] as Indians... ==> The parallel structure is maintained.

While parallel structure is maintained, the comparison itself is ambiguous if we go by the meaning.
Meaning 1: Americans are twice as likely to buy pizza as they are to buy Indians
Meaning 2: Americans are twice as likely to buy pizza as are Indians (I think use of do is incorrect)


As per my knowledge Do, does and did are versatile verb you can put these verbs to replace any verb, but in above case are look much appropriate to keep parallelism. I think some expert should confirm this.

Yes following sentence is ambiguous:
Americans are twice as likely to buy pizza as Indians. (wrong)

Americans are twice as likely as Indians [are] to buy pizza (right)
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1. As many as is the correct usage

2. Had option E been as many as those who charge, it would have been wordier but grammatically correct, unlike the current situation where E in grammatically incorrect for using "charging"
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According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College and University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000.

A) than those that charge
B) than are charging
C) than to charge
D) as charge
E) as those charging


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According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College and University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000.

A) than those that charge
B) than are charging
C) than to charge
D) as charge
E) as those charging


Same question in another forum says option E is correct.

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Which one should be considered? Either option D/E. :o
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arorag wrote:
According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College and University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000.

A) than those that charge
B) than are charging
C) than to charge
D) as charge
E) as those charging


ANSWER IS D (fits like a glove :) )

A lot of garbage in this question. Lets start cleaning a bit

According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College and University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000.

More than three times as many institutions charge under $8,000 a year as (institutions those) charge over $16000 (a year)

(institutions those) & (a year) are implied ellipsis.

A) than those that charge
B) than are charging
C) than to charge
D) as charge
E) as those charging
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Not sure if these examples would help people understand the structure:

1. More people walk than drive.
2. Twice as many people walk as drive.
3. More people own guns than own cars.
4. Twice as many people own guns as own cars.
5. More independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year than charge over $16,000.
5. More than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year as charge over $16,000.
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The answer has to be "E"..

As many... as those charging... :-D

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According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College and University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000.

A) than those that charge
B) than are charging
C) than to charge
D) as charge
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arorag wrote:
According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College and University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000.

A) than those that charge
B) than are charging
C) than to charge
D) as charge
E) as those charging



Slash and burn gives you
...According to survey..., as many charge under 8000 as charge over 16000

as many...as -> idiom
option E -> as those charging -- those is redundant

D is best answer
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Basically, we have two different comparison structures here.
(1) Twice as X as Y ==> X and Y must be parallel
(2) X as [....] as Y ==> X and Y must be parallel.


Let see your examples:

Twice as many Americans buy pizza as Indians who buy salad. <-- is this correct?
Correct. We're comparing the number of Americans vs. that of Indians. It doesn't matter what they do, we just compare the number of people.

Twice as many Americans buy chocolate as those who buy pizza. <--- is this correct?
Correct. "those" refers to a "new copy" of Americans. Thus, the sentence compares the number of American to by chocolate with that of Americans who buy pizza.


Twice as many Americans buy chocolate as those that buy pizza <--- is this correct?
Wrong. Absolutely wrong at first sight. "that" never modifies people ==> only "who" can do.

Americans are twice as likely to buy pizza as Indians. (or) (Here "do" is in ellipsis) <--- is this correct?
Correct. The structure is: Americans ...as [........] as Indians... ==> The parallel structure is maintained.

Americans are twice as likely to buy chocolate as pizza. <--- is this correct?
Wrong. The structure is: Americans..as [...] as pizza. The correct structure is: Americans are twice as likely to do buy chocolate as (Americans who are likely) to buy pizza

Hope it helps.


Dear pqhai,

I am really confused when to use "AS" and when to use "THAN" during comparison.
Could you please help me with some examples.

Thanks.

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can anyone please explain what the correct answer is? Still confused between D and E.
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can anyone please explain what the correct answer is? Still confused between D and E.


Hi Noyonika ,

Correct answer is option D.

According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College and University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year as charge over $16,000.

Notice that we are comparing one set of institutions that charge under $8000 and another set that charges over $16000.

So, we should say as many institutions charge over $8000 as institutions charge over $16000.

Did you notice the comparison of institutions based on the fees they charge?

Do you think "one set of institutions that charge under $8000 and another set charging over $16000." is || ?

The answer is NO. Hence, E is not correct because it is saying those charging on one side and those charge on another side.

A per the ||ism rule, if we are saying as X as Y ==> X and Y must be ||. Hence, E is incorrect.

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