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According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice

(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing

(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as are other graduates to plan on practicing

(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice

(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice

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For those who are still interested in the answer, I found it there: http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/post29754.html
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Hi Dhairya

According to GMAC and MGMAT, both idioms "plan on Verb-ing" and "plan to Verb" are correct.

According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

1. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
Wrong. four time + more than ==> wrong in GMAT (see MGMAT Sentence correction, page 260)

2. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
Wrong. four time + more than ==> wrong in GMAT

3. minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
Correct.
- Four time + AS .... AS ==> correct comparison usage.
- Plan on VERB-ing ==> correct idiom.

4. it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
Wrong. four time + more rather than ==> wrong in GMAT; In addition future tense "will" is not necessary.

5. it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to pratice
Wrong. As + than ==> wrong grammar.

Hope it's clear.
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According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

1. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
2. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
3. minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
4. it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
5. it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to pratice


Question : Is 'plan on' an idiom ? I guess 'plan to' is a more familiar usage


correct idiom usage:

more ....than (more....rather than =>wrong)... (more.....as=>wrong)
....likely....to (...likely ....in =>this is wrong)
as .....as (as.....than=>wrong)


1. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
WRONG.
likely ...IN ==>incorrect usage.

2. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
WRONG.
who plan on practicing is a modifier ,so sentence should make sense after removing this,but on removing it is not clear four times more likely what??

3. minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
CORRECT.

4. it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
WRONG.
MORE..RATHER THAN =.incorrect.

5. it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to pratice
WRONG.
AS.....THAN =>incorrect usage.


plan -to ....and ......plan - on ==>both are correct usage.

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New post 28 Aug 2013, 18:20
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Hi Dhairya

According to GMAC and MGMAT, both idioms "plan on Verb-ing" and "plan to Verb" are correct.

According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

1. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
Wrong. four time + more than ==> wrong in GMAT (see MGMAT Sentence correction, page 260)

2. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
Wrong. four time + more than ==> wrong in GMAT

3. minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
Correct.
- Four time AS likely AS ==> correct comparison.
- Plan on VERB-ing ==> correct idiom.

4. it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
Wrong. four time + more than ==> wrong in GMAT; In addition future tense "will" is not necessary.

5. it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to pratice
Wrong. As + than ==> wrong grammar.

Hope it's clear.


hi pghai ,

sorry to say..but both construction :
4 times more ...likely ...than
4 times as ..likely as


these both construction are correct in current context.

please refer here:
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/100 ... t1332.html
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/acc ... t5501.html
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New post 29 Aug 2013, 11:05
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pqhai wrote:
hi pghai ,

sorry to say..but both construction :
4 times more ...likely ...than
4 times as ..likely as


these both construction are correct in current context.

please refer here:
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/100 ... t1332.html
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/acc ... t5501.html


Hi blueseas.

Yes, you're correct. In terms of grammar, there is no problem with both constructions. But the structure "X times more likely/greater/.... than" creates ambiguity in terms of meaning, because "4 times more likely" may be "5 times as...as" or "6 times as...as".... Thus, MGMAT suggests us to avoid this structure in real tests. MGMAT's recommendations are not absolute rules as it says. GMAT is the game of GMAC, not MGMAT, but test takers will have more chances to get a correct answer by following MGMAT's suggestions.

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pqhai wrote:
Hi blueseas.

Yes, you're correct. In terms of grammar, there is no problem with both constructions. But the structure "X times more likely/greater/.... than" creates ambiguity in terms of meaning, because "4 times more likely" may be "5 times as...as" or "6 times as...as".... Thus, MGMAT suggests us to avoid this structure in real tests. MGMAT's recommendations are not absolute rules as it says. GMAT is the game of GMAC, not MGMAT, but test takers will have more chances to get a correct answer by following MGMAT's suggestions.

Thanks again mate. :)


Hi pghai,

what i meant to say that on the basis of this structure we cannot eliminate an option.

please refer below to GMAT PREP question:

A decade after initiating the nation's most comprehensive and aggressive antismoking program, per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as in the nation as a whole.

A) per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as

B) annual per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs to about 60, more than twice as great as that

C) California's annual per capita consumption of cigarettes declined from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as the drop

D) California has seen per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs annually to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as that

E) California has seen annual per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as that

the correct option is D.
It has almost similar structure.: more than twice as great as==>so GMAT doesnt assumes it wrong.
Although i agree that all option has same structure so we dont have choice ...but we can assume on basis of this that structure is not wrong.

sorry just wanted to share what i thought.
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New post 29 Aug 2013, 11:37
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pqhai wrote:
Hi blueseas.

Yes, you're correct. In terms of grammar, there is no problem with both constructions. But the structure "X times more likely/greater/.... than" creates ambiguity in terms of meaning, because "4 times more likely" may be "5 times as...as" or "6 times as...as".... Thus, MGMAT suggests us to avoid this structure in real tests. MGMAT's recommendations are not absolute rules as it says. GMAT is the game of GMAC, not MGMAT, but test takers will have more chances to get a correct answer by following MGMAT's suggestions.

Thanks again mate. :)


Hi pghai,

what i meant to say that on the basis of this structure we cannot eliminate an option.

please refer below to GMAT PREP question:

A decade after initiating the nation's most comprehensive and aggressive antismoking program, per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as in the nation as a whole.

A) per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as

B) annual per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs to about 60, more than twice as great as that

C) California's annual per capita consumption of cigarettes declined from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as the drop

D) California has seen per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs annually to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as that

E) California has seen annual per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as that

the correct option is D.
It has almost similar structure.: more than twice as great as==>so GMAT doesnt assumes it wrong.
Although i agree that all option has same structure so we dont have choice ...but we can assume on basis of this that structure is not wrong.

sorry just wanted to share what i thought.
and you are always elcome. :)

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Your sharing is most welcome :) Yes, you're right. We should not eliminate answers just by the wordings. Understand the core of the question and intended meaning is always key. ==> You approach has no problem at all. Official Questions are always right. MGMAT Sentence Correction is just the reference book. If you see question #72 in the Verbal Supplement, the correct answer uses a structure "5 times greater than....". But it's correct. :cry: In short, GMAT is the game of GMAC. MGMAT just suggests us to avoid this structure, MGMAT does not disregard it though.

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According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice

(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing

(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as are other graduates to plan on practicing

(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice

(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice

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Dear experts, mikemcgarry, MagooshExpert Carolyn,sayantanc2k, GMATNinjaTwo, GMATNinja
Anyone can help point out the error of answer choice D?
Honestly, I picked up D
But I have no idea what's wrong with it?

Here is an example,
It is more likely that he will get the job.
I think this example is correct.

D works similary, but D is more complex, the subject of that clause is a comparison -- minority graduates rather than other gradutes.

I didnot pick up D because plan on,

Genuienly need your help.

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Dear experts, mikemcgarry, MagooshExpert Carolyn,sayantanc2k, GMATNinjaTwo, GMATNinja
Anyone can help point out the error of answer choice D?
Honestly, I picked up D
But I have no idea what's wrong with it?

Here is an example,
It is more likely that he will get the job.
I think this example is correct.

D works similary, but D is more complex, the subject of that clause is a comparison -- minority graduates rather than other gradutes.

I didnot pick up D because plan on,

Genuienly need your help.

Have a nice day

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Hi zoezhuyan!

The most obvious error in D) is "four times more likely that". When we are saying that something is a certain number of times as likely as something else, we need to use "as", not "more". If we use "more", then "four times more likely" actually means 5 times the probability (this has been explained by others above). Here, the intended meaning is four times the probability, which means we need to say "four times as likely". We can definitely say something like:

It is more likely that he will get the job.

But we CANNOT say:

It is ten times more likely that he will get the job.

When we're talking about numbers in regards to probabilities like this, we need to be more careful about our wording.

I hope that helps! :-)
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zoezhuyan wrote:
Dear experts, mikemcgarry, MagooshExpert Carolyn,sayantanc2k, GMATNinjaTwo, GMATNinja
Anyone can help point out the error of answer choice D?
Honestly, I picked up D
But I have no idea what's wrong with it?

Here is an example,
It is more likely that he will get the job.
I think this example is correct.

D works similary, but D is more complex, the subject of that clause is a comparison -- minority graduates rather than other gradutes.

I didnot pick up D because plan on,

Genuienly need your help.

Have a nice day

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Hi zoezhuyan!

The most obvious error in D) is "four times more likely that". When we are saying that something is a certain number of times as likely as something else, we need to use "as", not "more". If we use "more", then "four times more likely" actually means 5 times the probability (this has been explained by others above). Here, the intended meaning is four times the probability, which means we need to say "four times as likely". We can definitely say something like:

It is more likely that he will get the job.

But we CANNOT say:

It is ten times more likely that he will get the job.

When we're talking about numbers in regards to probabilities like this, we need to be more careful about our wording.

I hope that helps! :-)
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Hi MagooshExpert Carolyn
Thanks so much for your explanation.

I thought the original sentence intends to mean 5 times , so I though it is ok that " it is nearly four times more likely that..."


But how should I catch that the original meaning is "4 times likely", rather than "5 times" or "4 times... more..." ?

Please

Thanks in advance

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zoezhuyan wrote:

Hi MagooshExpert Carolyn
Thanks so much for your explanation.

I thought the original sentence intends to mean 5 times , so I though it is ok that " it is nearly four times more likely that..."


But how should I catch that the original meaning is "4 times likely", rather than "5 times" or "4 times... more..." ?

Please

Thanks in advance

Have a nice day
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Hi zoezhuyan,

Saying "4 times more likely than" is a very awkward way to say "5 times as likely", and so you can pretty safely assume that unless it's explicitly stated, the intention is "4 times as likely". You will probably never see "X times more likely" as a correct construction.

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