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Hello experts,
please help me with this one,

I chose A over D.
In D, remains of many other wild animals have been found to buried alonside humans, but we dont know they were domesticated or not?
they were all domesticated and hence can strenghten the argument, or they all were not, in that case it weakens; what if some were domesticated and some were not?

Therefore there is a broad range of ambiguity is taking place here!

I know in A they can still be domesticated even if grain stores haven't found.
but it is weakening it upto some degree?

Wild animals by definition are not domesticated. So, actually, there's no ambiguity to the implications of (D).
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Hi Experts, I was confused between B & D. Please help me to reject B.

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Premise: Remains of feline and human were found buried together around 9500 years ago.
Conclusion: Cats were domesticated
(B) The burial site in Cyprus is substantially older than any other known burial site in which a feline skeleton and a human skeleton appear to have been buried together.
(D) In Cyprus, there are many burial sites dating from around 9,500 years ago in which the remains of wild animals appear to have been buried alongside human remains.

D says that there are many burial sites where humans were buried with wild animals, this fact strengthens the argument that may be cats were buried alongside humans. So the premise is strengthen that such burial sites exist. No impact on the conclusion through this statement.

B says that the oldest burial site where cats and humans found buried together was in Cyprus. So no other such burial site found. This one particular site can't be an evidence to conclude that cats were domesticated.

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Hi Experts, I was confused between B & D. Please help me to reject B.

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Premise: Remains of feline and human were found buried together around 9500 years ago.
Conclusion: Cats were domesticated
(B) The burial site in Cyprus is substantially older than any other known burial site in which a feline skeleton and a human skeleton appear to have been buried together.
(D) In Cyprus, there are many burial sites dating from around 9,500 years ago in which the remains of wild animals appear to have been buried alongside human remains.

D says that there are many burial sites where humans were buried with wild animals, this fact strengthens the argument that may be cats were buried alongside humans. So the premise is strengthen that such burial sites exist. No impact on the conclusion through this statement.

We can't strengthen the premise that burial sites in which cats were buried alongside humans exist. It's already stated as fact that such burial sites were found.

On the other hand, what this choice does do is weaken the connection between (1) an animal being buried alongside a human and (2) that animal being domesticated. If wild animals were buried with humans, then maybe cats were not domesticated but rather wild like the other animals buried alongside humans.

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B says that the oldest burial site where cats and humans found buried together was in Cyprus. So no other such burial site found. This one particular site can't be an evidence to conclude that cats were domesticated.

I see what you're getting at here, but the truth is that the argument does work even though this one site is the oldest site. Yes, the evidence would be stronger if there were more such sites, but the fact that cats were buried alongside humans even at one site is reason to believe that cats were domesticated at that time.

In fact, if you think about it, (B) doesn't really add any new information. The argument is based on the evidence found at this one site. Now, (B) says that this site is the only site, OK, but the argument was based on only what was found at this site. So, (B) changes nothing about this argument.
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Archaeologist: Researchers excavating a burial site in Cyprus found a feline skeleton lying near a human skeleton. - A skeleton of a human and a skeleton of a cat were found nearby in the excavation of a burial site.

Both skeletons were in the same sediment at the same depth and equally well-preserved, suggesting that the feline and human were buried together about 9,500 years ago. - The fact that both the skeletons were in the same sediment at the same depth and equally well-preserved suggests that the cat and the human were buried together about 9500 years ago.

This shows that felines were domesticated around the time farming began, when they would have been useful in protecting stores of grain from mice. - On the basis of the above suggestion (the cat and the human were buried together), the author says that felines were domesticated around the time farming began when felines would have been useful to humans.

The Gaps:

There are several gaps in the argument:

    1. We’re not given when the farming began. Did farming begin 9500 years ago? We don’t know. Perhaps, farming began 15000 years ago.
    2. Even if farming began 9500 years ago, we don’t know whether it was about production of grains.
    3. Even if farming were about the production of grains, we don’t know whether there was a mice problem at that time.
    4. Even if there were mice problem at that time, we don’t know whether people knew that felines could help solve the problem.
    5. Even if people knew that felines could help solve the problem of mice, they could have used non-domesticated felines for the purpose.
    6. Besides, it is possible that wild felines and humans were buried together at that time. In such a case, the finding of a feline skeleton may not mean that felines were domesticated.

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(A) Archaeologists have not found any remains of stores of grain in the immediate vicinity of the burial site.
Incorrect- Many people mark this option thinking that if there are no stores of grain nearby, then felines could not have protected against mice. Thus, this option weakens the argument.

However, why do stores of grain have to be nearby for felines to be useful against mice?

Why can’t felines be buried at a burial site which is quite far from the stores of grain in which they lived and protected the grain against mice?

The option can weaken the argument only if there is a reason to expect that felines used to be buried at the same location on which they lived. In such a case, no evidence of stores of grain means nothing to protect by feline. In such a case, the argument will be weakened.

However, there is absolutely no reason to expect that felines used to be buried at the same location on which they lived.

Thus, this option has NO IMPACT.

(B)The burial site in Cyprus is substantially older than any other known burial site in which a feline skeleton and a human skeleton appear to have been buried together.
Incorrect- How old the burial site is has NO IMPACT on the argument. The age of the skeletons has an impact on the argument, but the age of the burial site has no impact on the argument.

(C) Paintings found near the burial site seem to show people keeping felines as domestic companions, but do not show felines hunting mice.
Incorrect- The conclusion is that felines were domesticated around the time farming began. Thus, the conclusion is about a specific time period – when farming began.

This option doesn’t tell us about the time of the paintings. Thus, on the basis of the paintings, can we say that felines were domesticated around the time farming began? I don’t think so.

(D) In Cyprus, there are many burial sites dating from around 9,500 years ago in which the remains of wild animals appear to have been buried alongside human remains.
Correct- One gap in the argument that I didn’t cover in my list of gaps is “why can’t wild animals be buried with humans?” If wild animals were buried with humans at that time, then on the basis that felines and humans were buried together, we cannot argue that felines were domesticated; they may as well have been wild.

This option plays around this gap. By saying that wild animals have been buried alongside humans, this option casts a doubt on the conclusion that felines were domesticated.

(E) Before felines were domesticated, early farmers had no effective way to protect stores of grain from mice.
Incorrect- This option supports that felines had utility for early farmers. Thereby, this option supports the domestication of felines at the time farming began. However, we’re looking for a weakener.
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I get it that answer should be D but C also attacks one of the main point of final conclusion i.e.
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This shows that felines were domesticated around the time farming began, when they would have been useful in protecting stores of grain from mice.


So is it right to say that C also weakens the conclusion but D does the job better?
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Hi GMATNinja and MartyTargetTestPrep

I wanted to point out something that I don't see being discussed. The argument of the passage is not whether felines were domesticated or not. The argument is whether "felines were domesticated around the time farming began..". So shouldn't the weakener suggest that felines were not domesticated around the time farming began?

Regardless if they were domesticated or not. If felines were domesticated before or after the time farming began wouldn't that weaken the argument?

(E) Before felines were domesticated, early farmers had no effective way to protect stores of grain from mice.

Option E suggests that the domestication of felines did happen, however, farming happened before the domestication of felines.

Please let share your thoughts on this.
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Hi GMATNinja and MartyTargetTestPrep

I wanted to point out something that I don't see being discussed. The argument of the passage is not whether felines were domesticated or not. The argument is whether "felines were domesticated around the time farming began..". So shouldn't the weakener suggest that felines were not domesticated around the time farming began?

Regardless if they were domesticated or not. If felines were domesticated before or after the time farming began wouldn't that weaken the argument?

(E) Before felines were domesticated, early farmers had no effective way to protect stores of grain from mice.

Option E suggests that the domestication of felines did happen, however, farming happened before the domestication of felines.

Please let share your thoughts on this.

As you say, if we could show that felines were NOT domesticated around the time that farming began, that certainly would weaken the argument. However, that's not the only way we could weaken the argument.

Generally speaking, it's better not to try to "pre-think" a weakener before we analyze the answer choices. Rather, it's better to take each answer choice on its own merits, and see how it affects the argument.

So how does (E) affect the argument?

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Before felines were domesticated, early farmers had no effective way to protect stores of grain from mice.

Well, (E) does suggest that early farmers did not have access to domestic felines. So this weakens the idea that farming and domestication of felines happened at EXACTLY the same time.

But keep in mind, we're only trying to weaken the idea the domestication of felines happened at "around the time farming began." How much leeway does that give us? It's hard to say exactly. But regardless, showing that farming and domestication of felines didn't happen at EXACTLY the same time won't necessarily weaken the idea that they didn't happen AROUND the same time.

From another angle -- answer choice (E) only talks about "early farmers," so maybe it was only really early on that farmers didn't have domesticated felines? And if they didn't have an effective way to ward off mice, that might have given them motivation to domesticate cats in the first place (to protect their stores of grain). So in a way, (E) is actually a mild strengthener of the argument.

Compare (E) to (D):

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In Cyprus, there are many burial sites dating from around 9,500 years ago in which the remains of wild animals appear to have been buried alongside human remains.

This seriously weakens the argument. If wild animals were buried alongside humans, we'd have no reason to think the feline skeleton from the burial site was a domesticated feline. And if it wasn't a domesticated feline, the argument would fall apart. Because if we don't even have evidence about when felines were domesticated, we can't say they were domesticated "around the time" that farming began.

Notice that while it's possible to argue about (E), answer choice (D) unambiguously weakens the argument. For that reason, (E) is wrong and (D) is correct.

I hope that helps!
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I get it that answer should be D but C also attacks one of the main point of final conclusion i.e.

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This shows that felines were domesticated around the time farming began, when they would have been useful in protecting stores of grain from mice.


So is it right to say that C also weakens the conclusion but D does the job better?

The archaeologist's argument claims two things:

  • That felines were domesticated when farming began
  • And that the felines would have been useful in protecting grain

In (C) the paintings don't support the second point. But, that doesn't mean they weaken the claim either. It's possible that the felines did protect the grain stores, but that it wasn't painted.

So, (C) doesn't weaken the conclusion.

I hope that helps!
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The main premise is : Human feline buried together 6500 years ago.
conclusion is : Felines were domesticated ages ago ( when perhaps they were need to hunt mice )

Emphasis is on Domestication not Domesticated for hunting mouse.

Options A, B, E can easily be eliminated leaving out C, D

If emphasis would have been on Cat domesticated for hunting mouse maybe we could have chosen C
But we want to weaken the fact that maybe Cats were simply not domesticated it was just a wild animal buried with the human, hence option D
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Archaeologist: Researchers excavating a burial site in Cyprus found a feline skeleton lying near a human skeleton. Both skeletons were in the same sediment at the same depth and equally well-preserved, suggesting that the feline and human were buried together about 9,500 years ago. This shows that felines were domesticated around the time farming began, when they would have been useful in protecting stores of grain from mice.

Which of the following, if true, would most seriously weaken the archaeologist’s argument?

(A) Archaeologists have not found any remains of stores of grain in the immediate vicinity of the burial site.

(B) The burial site in Cyprus is substantially older than any other known burial site in which a feline skeleton and a human skeleton appear to have been buried together.

(C) Paintings found near the burial site seem to show people keeping felines as domestic companions, but do not show felines hunting mice.

(D) In Cyprus, there are many burial sites dating from around 9,500 years ago in which the remains of wild animals appear to have been buried alongside human remains.

(E) Before felines were domesticated, early farmers had no effective way to protect stores of grain from mice.

Hello AnthonyRitz,
Please vet my below approach.

What is the Conclusion of the Argument ?
This shows that felines were domesticated around the time farming began, when they would have been useful in protecting stores of grain from mice.

So, I we need to weaken this argument.

I found two GAPS or two ways to weaken this .
1/ Ok , they were domesticated but may be not at the time farming began. May be wayyyy before farming began ie 12000 years ago. So any answer choice that tells us that felins have been domesticated since 15000 years then it will weaken the argument.
2/ The finding of skeletons of feline and human was just a mere coincidence / practice...... then it will weaken the argument.

What I am trying to convey is :-
We can weaken the argument by saying felins were not domesticed. They were just buried with the human skeleton as a practice
or 
we can weaken by saying that even though they were domesticed they have been domesticed > 9500 years before.

Thanks
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This seems generally fine. You nailed the conclusion. I think the main gap was whether the nearby burial establishes domestication, but your note about not knowing when farming began is also something I considered. If an answer showed that farming didn't begin until later, then I do think that could be a good weakener.

So hey, good job!
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Hi experts, -MartyMurray , AjiteshArun , avigutman

I had some thoughts about this question.

1) What is the exact conclusion of the argument ? I feel that the conclusion is limited to the bolded part" This shows that felines were domesticated around the time farming began, when they would have been useful in protecting stores of grain from mice".  The second part of the sentence is an additional premise ( by suggesting a benefit for cats to be domesticated when farming began, the conclusion that cats would have been domesticated around the time farming began makes more sense.)

2) "This shows that felines were domesticated around the time farming began" - In this sentence, people (including official explanation) have considered the usage of the word domesticated as a verb. When we use it like a verb in this sentence, we mean that the domestication happened around the same time farming began. Not earlier, nor later. So in this case, answers which suggest domestication happened earlier than farming began would indeed weaken the conclusion.
BUT what if we consider that the word "Domesticated" was used as an adjective. In this case, the conclusion would mean that by the time farming began, felines were already domesticated. i.e. they were domesticated (verb) either during the same timeframe or even much earlier. In this case, an answer suggesting that they were domesticated much before farming began would NOT weaken the conclusion even though an answer suggesting they were domesticated after farming began would, ofcourse, weaken the conclusion.

Am I right in my reasoning?

Thanks! :)­­
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I had some thoughts about this question.

1) What is the exact conclusion of the argument ? I feel that the conclusion is limited to the bolded part" This shows that felines were domesticated around the time farming began, when they would have been useful in protecting stores of grain from mice".  The second part of the sentence is an additional premise ( by suggesting a benefit for cats to be domesticated when farming began, the conclusion that cats would have been domesticated around the time farming began makes more sense.

That's a reasonable take on those statements.
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2) "This shows that felines were domesticated around the time farming began" - In this sentence, people (including official explanation) have considered the usage of the word domesticated as a verb. When we use it like a verb in this sentence, we mean that the domestication happened around the same time farming began. Not earlier, nor later. So in this case, answers which suggest domestication happened earlier than farming began would indeed weaken the conclusion.
BUT what if we consider that the word "Domesticated" was used as an adjective. In this case, the conclusion would mean that by the time farming began, felines were already domesticated. i.e. they were domesticated (verb) either during the same timeframe or even much earlier. In this case, an answer suggesting that they were domesticated much before farming began would NOT weaken the conclusion even though an answer suggesting they were domesticated after farming began would, ofcourse, weaken the conclusion.

Am I right in my reasoning?­

Your reasoning about the effect of "domesticated" being an adjective makes sense.

At the same time, it's pretty clear that "domestictated" serves as a verb, and not an adjective, in this context because of the use of the prepositional phrase "around the time farming began."

After all, it's not logical that felines were "domesticated" on an ongoing basis "around the time." "Around the time" means at a certain point close to that point in time. It would not make sense to say they were domesticated on an ongoing basis using "around the time."

To convey that they were domesticated on an ongoing basis, in other words, for "domesticated" to be an adjective, the sentence would have to use different wording, such as "at the time." "At the time" would work logically with "domesticated" to convey that, at the time farming began, felines were domesticated animals.­

Originally posted by MartyMurray on 23 Feb 2024, 08:24.
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Hi experts, -MartyMurray , AjiteshArun , avigutman

I had some thoughts about this question.

1) What is the exact conclusion of the argument ? I feel that the conclusion is limited to the bolded part" This shows that felines were domesticated around the time farming began, when they would have been useful in protecting stores of grain from mice".  The second part of the sentence is an additional premise ( by suggesting a benefit for cats to be domesticated when farming began, the conclusion that cats would have been domesticated around the time farming began makes more sense.

That's a reasonable take on those statements.
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2) "This shows that felines were domesticated around the time farming began" - In this sentence, people (including official explanation) have considered the usage of the word domesticated as a verb. When we use it like a verb in this sentence, we mean that the domestication happened around the same time farming began. Not earlier, nor later. So in this case, answers which suggest domestication happened earlier than farming began would indeed weaken the conclusion.
BUT what if we consider that the word "Domesticated" was used as an adjective. In this case, the conclusion would mean that by the time farming began, felines were already domesticated. i.e. they were domesticated (verb) either during the same timeframe or even much earlier. In this case, an answer suggesting that they were domesticated much before farming began would NOT weaken the conclusion even though an answer suggesting they were domesticated after farming began would, ofcourse, weaken the conclusion.

Am I right in my reasoning?­

Your reasoning about the effect of "domesticated" being an adjective makes sense.

At the same time, it's pretty clear that "domestictated" serves as a verb, and not an adjective, in this context because of the use of the prepositional phrase "around the time farming began."

After all, it's not logical that felines were "domesticated" on an ongoing basis "around the time." "Around the time" means at a certain point close to that point it time. It would not make sense to say they were domesticated on an ongoing basis using "around the time.'

To convey that they were domesticated on an ongoing basis, in other words, for "domesticated" to be an adjective, the sentence would have to use different wording, such as "at the time." "At the time" would work logically with "domesticated" to convey that, at the time farming  began, felines were domesticated animals.

­Ahhh Yes, that makes sense Marty! 
Thank you!! :)
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