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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

A. including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for

B. which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of

C. included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for

D. among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of

E. among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for


A, C, E - declining sales for.. is wrong. Should be declining sales of .
B - 'which' refers to company which is wrong. Challenges include 'the threat...' and 'the declining sales..'
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D. among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of

E. among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for

Here are the two things that I am concerned about. I Agree that one of these choices is right, but in D, can "them" refer to either investors or does it clearly refer to challenges ? and in E, the sales "for". " these " in E can only refer to challenges.

I would appreciate if someone told me how I am wrong.

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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.


A. including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for
comma+ing serves as a clause modifier that modifies the preceding clause. but it doesn't make sense at all
declining sales is not a continuous action.
sales for - not correct to present the intended meaning
parallelism error - the treat is not || to the declining sales
including among - i believe it is redundant

B. which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of
which refers to the closest noun company - hence again a modifier error.
includes = does not agree in number with "challenges"
declining sales is not a continuous action.
parallelism error - the treat is not || to declining sales

C. included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for
comma+ed again modifier of the closest noun - incorrect.
as well as - is not preferred
decline in sales for - changes the meaning
parallelism error - the treat is not || to a decline

D. among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of
correct
entities are parallel
correctly presents "sales of"


E. among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for
as well as - incorrect
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This question is screwy. You can argue against D, saying "among them.....the" requires a linking verb, albeit yet another present participle, thereby removing D as an answer choice. The take away for me is, whenever in doubt, parallelism, pronouns, and other "big dogs" are far more important than some obscure constructions.

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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip
1) Including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for
2) Which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales of
3) Included among these the treat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for
4) Among them the treat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of
5) Among these the treat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for


including among them is redundant,. "including" mean some of them already.
which include means which consist of. not meaning here
these in c and e never can be used as pronoun.

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I have a question.. "among them......" in the answer choice 'd' is a prepositional noun modifier modifyin the noun 'challenges' and not an absolute phrase? N If "among them....." is a prepositional noun modifier then why is there a comma to separate this phrase? n If its an absolute phrase (noun + noun modifier) then the noun modifier(among them) which is a prepositional noun modifier modyfyin the nouns "the threat n the decline" should come after the nouns?

eg The cat on the couch took a nap but if we say ' On the couch, the cat took the nap'... now the prepositional phrase modifies the verb. What am I missin? Please help.
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The modifier "among them" is more similar to a subgroup modifier than to a prepositional phrase.

Moreover using a comma after an introductory prepositional phrase depends on the length of the phrase. Some grammarians suggest that comma should be used only when the length of the phrase is at least 5 words.Thus for the example you have given, the comma is not required. However this concept is not the issue here since "among them..." is not a prepositional phrase comparable to the example you have cited.

Coming back to the type of modifier in question, subgroup modifiers are non-essential modifiers, stating something extra about the group it refers to. Hence they should be separated by commas.

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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip
This is not as daunting a question as it appears. The decision point is easy "sales for" is an incorrect idiom. The correct idiom is "sales of"

1) Including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for
WRONG :- Incorrect idiom "sales for" is incorrect ; "sale of" is correct idiom

2) Which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales of
WRONG:- "which" is incorrectly modifying company. "which" should modify challenges

3) Included among these the treat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for
WRONG :- Incorrect idiom "sales for" is incorrect ; "sale of" is correct idiom

4) Among them the treat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of
CORRECT:- Correct idiom; crisp and concise.

5) Among these the treat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for
WRONG :- Incorrect idiom "sales for" is incorrect ; "sale of" is correct idiom




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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip
1) Including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for
2) Which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales of
3) Included among these the treat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for
4) Among them the treat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of
5) Among these the treat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for

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This is not as daunting a question as it appears. The decision point is easy "sales for" is an incorrect idiom. The correct idiom is "sales of"

1) Including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for
WRONG :- Incorrect idiom "sales for" is incorrect ; "sale of" is correct idiom

2) Which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales of
WRONG:- "which" is incorrectly modifying company. "which" should modify challenges

3) Included among these the treat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for
WRONG :- Incorrect idiom "sales for" is incorrect ; "sale of" is correct idiom

4) Among them the treat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of
CORRECT:- Correct idiom; crisp and concise.

5) Among these the treat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for
WRONG :- Incorrect idiom "sales for" is incorrect ; "sale of" is correct idiom

quote="lordw"]At the annual stockholder meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival´s multibillion dollar patent infringement suit and the declining sales for the company's powerfull microprocessor chip.

B. which includes the threat of a rival´s multibillion dollar patent infringement suit and declining sales of
C. included among these the threat from a rival´s multibillion dollar patent infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for
D. among them the threat of a rival's multibillion dollar patent infringement suit and the decline in sales of
E. among these the threat from a rival's multibillion dollar patent infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for

Guys my doubt is between options D and E, can someone explain with details? Tks. Lw[/quote]
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This is not as daunting a question as it appears. The decision point is easy "sales for" is an incorrect idiom. The correct idiom is "sales of"

1) Including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for
WRONG :- Incorrect idiom "sales for" is incorrect ; "sale of" is correct idiom

2) Which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales of
WRONG:- "which" is incorrectly modifying company. "which" should modify challenges

3) Included among these the treat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for
WRONG :- Incorrect idiom "sales for" is incorrect ; "sale of" is correct idiom

4) Among them the treat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of
CORRECT:- Correct idiom; crisp and concise.

5) Among these the treat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for
WRONG :- Incorrect idiom "sales for" is incorrect ; "sale of" is correct idiom



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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous
challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s
multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for
the company’s
powerful microprocessor chip.
A. including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement
suit and the declining sales for
B. which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit
and declining sales of
C. included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement
suit as well as a decline in sales for
D. among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and
the decline in sales of
E. among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit
as well as the decline in sales for

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In option D, don't we require a helping work (are) with the option.?? One more thing can verb-ing modifiers be used with past tense?..
eg: In 1850, Shershah built the Grand Trunk Road, extending from A to B.
In 1850, Shershah built the Grand Trunk Road, which extended from A to B.

Which between the above 2 sentences is correct?

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In option D, don't we require a helping work (are) with the option.?? One more thing can verb-ing modifiers be used with past tense?..
eg: In 1850, Shershah built the Grand Trunk Road, extending from A to B.
In 1850, Shershah built the Grand Trunk Road, which extended from A to B.

Which between the above 2 sentences is correct?


Your query 1:
No, "are" is not required - "among them..." falls in a special category of modifier called subgroup modifier. Another example ( from Manhattan SC guide):

This model explains all known subatomic particles, SOME OF THEM only recently discovered.

Your query 2:
The present participle modifier takes up the tense of the main verb of the sentence.
I saw a bird flying. ... since the action seeing happened in the past, the action flying also happened in the past.

Your query 3:
You need to understand the difference between:
a. I saw a bird flying... means I saw a bird - it was flying
b. I saw a bird, flying.. means I saw a bird while I was flying.
A comma + a present participle modifier refers to the subject of the previous clause or the the whole clause.

In 1850, Shershah built the Grand Trunk Road, extending from A to B.... wrong: "extending" refers to the subject of the previous clause Shershah. Shershah built the Grand Trunk road - when he built it he could not have extended it at the same time.

In 1850, Shershah built the Grand Trunk Road, which extended from A to B. Here "which..." correctly refers to "Road".

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The OA of this question seems incorrect. If so, please modify the OA.
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Please change the OA to D.

Let us look at each of the answer options -

A - Incorrect.
"including among them the threat from a rival’s multi-billion-dollar patent infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip."

"including + among" is redundnant.
"threat from" is generally used with people. Hence, unidiomatic.
"the threat" and "the declining" are not perfectly parallel.
"sales for" here is incorrect. It seems to imply "sales for the sake of the company's microprocessor chip".

B - Incorrect.
"the numerous challenges facing the company, which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of"

"which" seems to refer to "the company"
"the threat" and "declining" are not perfectly parallel.

C - Incorrect.
"included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for"

"included + among" is redundant as removing "included" does not change the meaning of the sentence.
"these" is incorrect as demonstrative pronouns must have a noun to modify. They cannot be used independently.
"threat from" is generally used with people. Hence, unidiomatic.
"sales for" here is incorrect.

D - correct answer.
"among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of"

"threat of X" - here X is the threat. Hence, correct.
"sales of" - is the correct idiom.

E - incorrect.
"among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for"
Usage of "these" is incorrect.
"sales for" is unidiomatic.
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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

A. including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement suit and the declining sales for

B. which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of

C. included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement suit as well as a decline in sales for

D. among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of

E. among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for[/size]

numerous means many -> many means more than 2 so we need among
got filtered to D and E
IN E these is not referring to any thing so it is wrong
finaly left out with D which is the correct answer

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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

A. including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement suit and the declining sales for

B. which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of

C. included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement suit as well as a decline in sales for

D. among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of

E. among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for[/size]

a simple way to get To the answers is read for structures
A. including among them X and Y for
B .which includes X and Y of
C. included among these X as well as a decline in Y for
D. among them X and Y of THE company ----- looks perfect
E. among these X as well as Y

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Can we use "among them" to connect independent clause .. is it some kind of modifier?


First, "among them" is NOT connecting an independent clause - there is NO clause after " among them", just two things: X (the threat) and Y (the decline) - without any verb.

"Among them X and Y" is a (special) noun modifier referring to "challenges".

One way to remember this construction is to identify the similarity of its structure with a subgroup modifier's (though they are not structurally identical, this connection may help in remembering the construction):

I have many games in my stock, many of them absolutely rubbish. ( If the latter part were an IC, the construction would be: Many of them ARE absolutely rubbish).

They heard of numerous challenges facing the company, among them X and Y. ( If the latter part were an IC, the construction would be: Among them ARE X and Y).

Now one step further:
If you can think a bit deeper, you would realise that this modifier is in fact a subgroup modifier:

many of them ( a subgroup of games) == X and Y ( a subgroup of challenges)
absolutely rubbish ( referring to "many of them") == among them (referring to " X and Y").

The only difference is that the subgroup and the part referring to it are flipped in the latter case.

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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

A. including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for
B. which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of
C. included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for
D. among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of
E. among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for


A. including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for
"sale for" is wrong grammatically

B. which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of
"which" here wrongly refers to the company

C. included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for
"these" is ambiguous

D. among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of
Correct

E. among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for
"these" is ambiguous
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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

A. including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for
B. which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of
C. included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for
D. among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of. correct
E. among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for

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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

A. including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for
B. which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of
C. included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for
D. among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of
E. among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for


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A. including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement suit and the declining sales for - including- present participle. It modifies the subject or entire clause. both modifications would be are incorrect

B. which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of - which by rule modies the noun attached to it, here company. We want to modify challenges rather than company

C. included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement suit as well as a decline in sales for - included - past participle. It works as appositive, which by definition modify the noun it is touching, here company. Thus wrong.
D. among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of - correct

E. among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for[/size] - 'these' cant be used alone. it would have been correct of the sentence had ’these challenges’.

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