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26 Mar 2017, 05:23
At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

A. including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement suit and the declining sales for

B. which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of

C. included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement suit as well as a decline in sales for

D. among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales ofCorrect.

E. among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for[/size]
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13 Aug 2017, 10:01
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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

A. including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement suit and the declining sales for

B. which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of

C. included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement suit as well as a decline in sales for

D. among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales ofCorrect.

E. among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for[/size]

People do a big disservice to other people when they wrongly knock out questions for saying "which." I find "which" and the use of the "past perfect" is tested a lot on the GMAT and wrongly showing these mistakes is a huge mistake. Though almost everyone gets the past perfect right, the "which" is like 50/50.

In this sentence "facing the company" can easily be seen as a vital noun modifier therefore which modifies numerous challenges. The mistake in B is using present Includes then a participle declining. It is more subtle than you guys think.

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26 Aug 2017, 08:45
like has already been said over here -- "sales of" is the correct idiom.

however, we should also lock in on parallelism issues.
- there are 2 challenges facing the company, (1) threat of a suit; (2) decline in sales
- both verbs must be parallel

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26 Aug 2017, 09:51
. including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent infringement suit and the declining sales of

included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent infringement suit as well as a decline in sales of

Suppose these 2 options were available. Which one would be apt usage here?
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1. 'These' cannot stand as a stand-alone demonstrative pronoun in formal writing. Hence, example 2 is out.
One has to be clear about the status of the word 'included"; if it is a verb, we must make sure who included it. There is no answer for that. Alternately and absurdly, it may mean that the investors heard a presentation and included these challenges.
If 'included' was a past participle modifier, then because of the subject pronoun 'these'. We must follow it with a verb such as 'included' among these was x… as well as Y.
On the contrary, we know for certain that 'including' is a present participle and that 'them' is an object pronoun. As such we do not need a verb for the verb+ing modifier.
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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

(A) including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for

(B) which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of

(C) included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for

(D) among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of

(E) among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for

GMATNinja, Could you help to explain "among them" since there are only two things listed in the question?

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29 Aug 2017, 20:18
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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

(A) including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for

(B) which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of

(C) included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for

(D) among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of

(E) among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for

whenever we see split "include/including", normaly include is wrong. remember, including is a preposition not a participle or gerund. this point is basic. the chellenges can not include logically.

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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

(A) including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for

(B) which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of

(C) included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for

(D) among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of

(E) among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for

GMATNinja, Could you help to explain "among them" since there are only two things listed in the question?

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The other distinction to remember is that you should use between only with two things or people.
When you are talking about three or more things or people, use among.

Wrong: I mediated a dispute BETWEEN Maya, Logan, and Kalen.
Right: I mediated a dispute AMONG Maya, Logan, and Kalen.

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30 Aug 2017, 17:19
hazelnut, we aren't using "among" to relate those two items. We are saying that those two items exist "among" the full range of challenges. The sentence is basically saying "There are many challenges, and among those challenges we find these two."
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30 Aug 2017, 19:40
A,C,E out as it use sales for whcih is not correct. B uses includes which is singular..hence D is the correct option here.

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31 Aug 2017, 03:14
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shekyonline wrote:
At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

B. which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of

People do a big disservice to other people when they wrongly knock out questions for saying "which." I find "which" and the use of the "past perfect" is tested a lot on the GMAT and wrongly showing these mistakes is a huge mistake. Though almost everyone gets the past perfect right, the "which" is like 50/50.

In this sentence "facing the company" can easily be seen as a vital noun modifier therefore which modifies numerous challenges. The mistake in B is using present Includes then a participle declining. It is more subtle than you guys think.

Hello SamBoyle,

I agree that many a times people reject an answer choice with which for incorrect reasons.

But in this official sentence, use of which is incorrect in the sense that it is followed by singular verb includes. This usage suggests that which has been used to refer to the singular noun entity the company and not the plural noun entity numerous challenges.

So we either call it SV number agreement error or the modifier error, in essence, use of which includes is incorrect in choice B.

Hope this helps.
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31 Aug 2017, 03:19
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like has already been said over here -- "sales of" is the correct idiom.

however, we should also lock in on parallelism issues.
- there are 2 challenges facing the company, (1) threat of a suit; (2) decline in sales
- both verbs must be parallel

Hello LakerFan24,

You are absolutely correct that we must also focus on the parallelism aspect in this sentence.

However, the two parallel entities are noun entities and not verbs:

the threat of a rival’s multi billion-dollar patent-infringement suit and
the decline in sales of he company’s powerful microprocessor chip

Hope this helps.
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GMATNinja, Could you help to explain "among them" since there are only two things listed in the question?

Hello hazelnut,

The structure among them the threat of a rival’s multi billion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of... is a Noun Modifier that modifies the preceding noun the numerous challenges facing the company.

The term among them has been used to refer to the numerous challenges. The correct answer choice says that there are many problems. Among those many problems the two points mentioned in the sentence are most prominent.

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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

(A) including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for

'Sales for' is incorrect ; I must be sales of : Incorrect

(B) which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of

modifier issue , parallelism issue : Incorrect

(C) included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for
Same as A : Incorrect

(D) among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of

Correct

(E) among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for
same as A : Incorrect

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Took me over 2 mins but here is my POE

(A) including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for including and among is redundant

(B) which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of which refers to the challenges correctly, but the parallelism is not maintained just like A

(C) included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for same as A

(D) among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of

(E) among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for decline is sales FOR is wrong

The options above can also be split for reasons other than those that i mentioned above:
1) sales of vs sales for
2) declining sales vs decline in sales

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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

(A) including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for

(B) which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of

(C) included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for

(D) among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of

(E) among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for

This question tests pure parallelism and sentence structure. Note that the subject is the "Challenges" (Plural) and so the use of them or these is fine. The two ideas threat and decline should be in parallel. Lets use POE :

(A) including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for
---Threat and declining are not parallel.

(B) which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of
---Threat and declining are not parallel.
---Also, use of which is incorrect. It modifies Company.

(C) included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for
---these should never be used without its antecedent. It should be these challenges.
---as well as is not required here.
---sales for is wrong. Sales of something is correct

(D) among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of
---Threat and declining are parallel. Correct

(E) among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for
---same as C

The only correct answer is D.

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At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

(A) including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for - Sales for is unidiomatic

(B) which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of - which incorrectly modifies company

(C) included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as a decline in sales for - Sales for is unidiomatic ; these should be followed by a noun

(D) among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of - Correct

(E) among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for - Sales for is unidiomatic ; these should be followed by a noun

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