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Hello

I'm sorry, I know all of the other choices are wrong but I cannot understand the usage of " also" in choice B
but TAGORE was "also"... is strange for me... we don't have any thing before to intend the meaning of " also"
there is contrast not similarity
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I'm sorry, I know all of the other choices are wrong but I cannot understand the usage of " also" in choice B
but TAGORE was "also"... is strange for me... we don't have any thing before to intend the meaning of " also"
there is contrast not similarity


Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been skeptical of Gandhi's form of nationalism and his conservative opinions about India's cultural traditions

A. for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been
B. for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
C. for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
D. of Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as also a politician, but Tagore was
E. of Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore had also been


see soodia => here u can see "AND" { Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician}

Now in parallelism using "and" => what is written after end => as a as a politician (NOUN)
so same should come before => as a person

as a person AND as a politician is a parallel structure.

Therefore ans is B

Let me know if still it is not clear.
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soodia wrote:
I cannot understand the usage of " also" in choice B
but TAGORE was "also"... is strange for me... we don't have any thing before to intend the meaning of " also"
there is contrast not similarity

Hi soodia, it's possible that you are confusing also with not only but also. The latter is used to emphasize similarity.

also has no such mandate to be used only for similarity. For example, following would be correct:

Peter admired Jane for her skills, but also envied her.

However, following would be incorrect:

Not only did Peter admire Jane for her skills, but also envied her.

Another officially correct example of this nature that comes to mind:

The systematic clearing of forests in the United States created farmland (especially in the Northeast) and gave consumers relatively inexpensive houses and furniture, but it also caused erosion and very quickly deforested whole regions.

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Thank you for your consideration
but in both of your examples, the subjects are the same.
Peter admired Jane for her skills, but (he) also envied her.
and in second example " The systematic clearing of forests in the United States" in the subject.

but in our example S1 is Benegal and S2 is Tagore
I'm confused about using "also" when we compare their view. one of the admire Gandi and another has a skeptical view of him....
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soodia wrote:
Thank you for your consideration
but in both of your examples, the subjects are the same.
Peter admired Jane for her skills, but (he) also envied her.
and in second example " The systematic clearing of forests in the United States" in the subject.

but in our example S1 is Benegal and S2 is Tagore
I'm confused about using "also" when we compare their view. one of the admire Gandi and another has a skeptical view of him....



You can also read option B as
B) for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and Mohandas K.Gandhi as a politician, but Tagore was also

to clear your doubt i think this is a clear way MK GANDHI as a person and as a politician,
,but is showing contrast that he ( Tagore) was also skeptical....
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soodia wrote:
but in both of your examples, the subjects are the same.

but in our example S1 is Benegal and S2 is Tagore

Hi soodia, in your example as well, S1 and S2 are same.

S1 is actually Tagore (and not Bengal).
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Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been skeptical of Gandhi's form of nationalism and his conservative opinions about India's cultural traditions


A. for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been
- "the person and also as a politician" is not only NOT //, but this changes the meaning...makes it sound like the person and politician are 2 different people

B. for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
- Correct // structure "as a person" AND "as a politician"

C. for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
- "not only" should be paired with "but also"

D. of Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as also a politician, but Tagore was
- "admiration of" = INCORRECT IDIOM. Should be: "admiration for"

E. of Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore had also been
- Same as "D"

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soodia wrote:
but in both of your examples, the subjects are the same.

but in our example S1 is Benegal and S2 is Tagore

Hi soodia, in your example as well, S1 and S2 are same.

S1 is actually Tagore (and not Bengal).




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Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been skeptical of Gandhi's form of nationalism and his conservative opinions about India's cultural traditions


A. for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been - usage of past perfect had been is incorrect
B. for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also - Correct
C. for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also - not only…and is unidiomatic
D. of Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as also a politician, but Tagore was - use of “admiration of” is incorrect ; the use of “also” after ‘and’ creates redundancy
E. of Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore had also been - use of “admiration of” is incorrect ; not only…and is unidiomatic ; usage of past perfect had been is incorrect


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Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been skeptical of Gandhi's form of nationalism and his conservative opinions about India's cultural traditions


A. for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been - usage of past perfect had been is incorrect
B. for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also - Correct
C. for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also - not only…and is unidiomatic
D. of Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as also a politician, but Tagore was - use of “admiration of” is incorrect ; the use of “also” after ‘and’ creates redundancy
E. of Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore had also been - use of “admiration of” is incorrect ; not only…and is unidiomatic ; usage of past perfect had been is incorrect


Answer B



Hello Skywalker18,

You have presented a good analysis of this official sentence. Keep up the good job. :-)

I would just like to add some thoughts with regards to the usage of the idiom not only X but also Y in Choice C and E.

According to you, these choices use the incorrect idiom not only X and Y. But if you pay attention, these choice use but also.

IMHO, use of not only X but also Y is not feasible in the context of this sentence because this sentence intends to present a contrast - one positive emotion and one negative emotion.

The idiom not only X but only Y is used to present two information about the same entity that are in the same direction. So, even if this sentence would have used the idiom not only X but also Y correctly, this idiom would not have conveyed the intended contrast.


Hope this helps. :-)
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B is the right answer.

D and E can be eliminated as they distort the meaning. So does Option A

Left with B and C- Idiom error, Hence B- worded correctly.
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Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been skeptical of Gandhi's form of nationalism and his conservative opinions about India's cultural traditions


A. for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been
B. for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also - correct
C. for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also - incorrect not only -but also construction
D. of Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as also a politician, but Tagore was
E. of Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore had also been - incorrect not only -but also construction
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Bengal-born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been skeptical of Gandhi's form of nationalism and his conservative opinions about India's cultural traditions

not only X but also Y - eliminate C,E
idiom: admiration for is correct - eliminate D,E
and also is wordy and redundant


(A) for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been

(B) for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also

(C) for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also

(D) of Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as also a politician, but Tagore was

(E) of Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore had also been
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Hello Everyone!

Let's take a closer look at this question to figure out how we should tackle it. First, here is the original question, with any major differences between the options highlighted in orange:

Bengal-born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been skeptical of Gandhi's form of nationalism and his conservative opinions about India's cultural traditions

(A) for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been
(B) for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
(C) for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
(D) of Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as also a politician, but Tagore was
(E) of Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore had also been

After a quick glance over the options, a few key differences jump out at us:

1. How they begin: admiration for vs. admiration of (idiomatic rules)
2. How to handle describing Gahdhi as a person and politician (possibly parallelism?)
3. How they end: had been vs. was (verb tense)


The quickest way to rule out wrong options is to find something on the list that will eliminate 2-3 options. For us, this means dealing with #1 on our list: admiration for vs. admiration of.

The rule in English is that people have admiration for other people - they do NOT have admiration of other people. So let's see which options do this correctly:

(A) for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been
(B) for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
(C) for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
(D) of Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as also a politician, but Tagore was
(E) of Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore had also been

There you go - we can eliminate options D & E because they don't follow the proper idiomatic rule for "admiration for."

Now that we have 3 options left, let's move on to #2 on our list: how to describe Gandhi. When listing 2 or more items, such as the qualities of a person, we MUST use parallel format whenever possible. Let's take a closer look at options A, B, and C to determine if they use parallel wording or structure:

(A) for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been --> NOT PARALLEL
(B) for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also --> PARALLEL
(C) for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also --> PARALLEL

So, we can eliminate option A because it does not use parallel structure when describing both traits of Gandhi.

Now we're only left with 2 options. Let's take a closer look at both, and see if we can spot any other problems:

(B) for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also

This option is CORRECT! It uses the proper idiom for "admiration for" a person, it uses parallel structure, and it doesn't have any other issues we can spot.

(C) for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also

This answer is INCORRECT because it doesn't use the proper format of the idiomatic structure "not only X, but also Y." Any time you see the phrase "not only" in a sentence, there MUST be a phrase that starts with "but also" with nothing in between the words! It's a tricky one to catch, yet it's a common idiom that pops up on the GMAT exam!

There you have it! Option B is our correct choice! By choosing to focus on simple differences between the options, we found the best option quickly!


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I get that option B is correct and understand all the reasons why.

But this sentence has an issue that is throwing me off.
....R Tagore had the greatest admiration for...., but Tagore was also ....

Can some one please explain how this verb-tense is correct?

Does the HAD show that that there was first admiration and Then there WAS skepticism?
Is this the timeline being conveyed by the meaning of this sentence?

Dear vingmat001,
I'm happy to respond. :-)
Both verbs "had" and "was" are in the simple past tense.
The structure "he was" is the simple past tense of "he is."
The structure "he had" is the simple past tense of "he has."
Yes, the word "had" can appear as an auxiliary verb in a number of fancier tenses, such as the present perfect tense, but on its own, it's just a simple past tense of an ordinary verb.

Yesterday, I had one cat. Today, I had three. Before yesterday, I had had no cats at all.

The three sentences, respective, show the simple present, simple past, and past perfect, of the verb "to have." Obviously, the "had had" is a little awkward, even though 100% correct, so you will not see this on the GMAT.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)


mikemcgarry or any experts

can i generalise if has, have, had followed by past participle then it is stating the perfect tense, if not it is acting as normal verb with respective tense.

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Cheryn This is generally true, yes. That's how you build the present perfect tense. Just watch out for cases in which have/has if followed by what looks like a past participle, but is really serving as an adjective:

*She has extended time on the test.
*Our client has unparalleled command of the latest music production software.
*Some people have elongated ears.

In all three cases above, the -ed word modifies the following noun and does not serve as a verb at all. Note that "extended" and "elongated" can serve as verbs in other contexts, but "unparalleled" would only ever be an adjective. One can't "unparallel" something.
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Cheryn This is generally true, yes. That's how you build the present perfect tense. Just watch out for cases in which have/has if followed by what looks like a past participle, but is really serving as an adjective:

*She has extended time on the test.
*Our client has unparalleled command of the latest music production software.
*Some people have elongated ears.

In all three cases above, the -ed word modifies the following noun and does not serve as a verb at all. Note that "extended" and "elongated" can serve as verbs in other contexts, but "unparalleled" would only ever be an adjective. One can't "unparallel" something.



DmitryFarber , thanks for this enlightenment.. wow... yeah.... so i have to be careful even if has , have , had followed by ed words, whether adjective or verb.. so what i will do is i will also look for noun which is following the ed words, to make sure its an adjective or not.. really thank you very much indeed.
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Cheryn wrote:
DmitryFarber , thanks for this enlightenment.. wow... yeah.... so i have to be careful even if has , have , had followed by ed words, whether adjective or verb.. so what i will do is i will also look for noun which is following the ed words, to make sure its an adjective or not.. really thank you very much indeed.
To add to DmitryFarber 's response, we should also watch out for cases in which the participle has not been explicitly included in the sentence.

She has worked in many more industries than I have.

This is a shorter way of saying

She has worked in many more industries than I have worked (in industries).
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