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New post 22 Feb 2016, 23:29
Hi Experts / chetan2u / daagh,

Can you please explain when can we omit the usage of "THAT".
As mentioned by someone --
He said that he was tired. No need for "that"---> Is it correct.

How can we identify weather in a particular sentence we use THAT" or not..??
I always get inclined towards sentences which uses "THAT" but have come across sentences in which the usage of "THAT" is not MANDATE.

see this sentence--

Scientists have found signs that moving water changed the chemical makeup of the surface of Mars in recent
eras, therefore concluding that its crust is harboring up to three times as much water than was previously
thought.

Ans- eras and have therefore concluded that the planet's crust harbors up to three times as much water as

As we see the non-underlined portioned have found signs its not have found THAT

Can you please assist. Its really confusing
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Hi Experts / chetan2u / daagh,

Can you please explain when can we omit the usage of "THAT".
As mentioned by someone --
He said that he was tired. No need for "that"---> Is it correct.

How can we identify weather in a particular sentence we use THAT" or not..??
I always get inclined towards sentences which uses "THAT" but have come across sentences in which the usage of "THAT" is not MANDATE.

see this sentence--

Scientists have found signs that moving water changed the chemical makeup of the surface of Mars in recent
eras, therefore concluding that its crust is harboring up to three times as much water than was previously
thought.

Ans- eras and have therefore concluded that the planet's crust harbors up to three times as much water as

As we see the non-underlined portioned have found signs its not have found THAT

Can you please assist. Its really confusing


Hi,
If we talk in particular to requirement of that after 'found'..
here it matters what are you stressing on..
a team of scientists found that the noise was not..
the stress is on finding noise illogically,
but a team of scientists found that the noise was not..
here the stress is on finding what has been mentioned in the entire clause after that..


we can say-
He found a doctor in the clininc.. is different from
He found that a doctor was in the clinic..

On your sentence--
Scientists have found signs that moving water changed.
here the stress is on finding signs and WHAT are these signs is implied by THAT and the clause thereafter..

USAGE of THAT--
you can OMIT that after common reporting verb such as said, thought w/o change in meaning..
but after certain verbs such as replied, threatened etc, you can not omit THAT..
If a sentence does not use THAT in first place, then its a different case..
example- he replied to me.
but He replied that he is hungry -- cannot be written as-- He replied he is hungry..

there are various other rule on use of THAT, but these are the rules pertaining to this Q

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New post 23 Feb 2016, 01:45
Hi chetan2u,

In your examples
He found a doctor in the clininc.. is different from
He found that a doctor was in the clinic..

And

He replied that he is hungry -- cannot be written as-- He replied he is hungry..

Somehow I am able to relate what are trying to tell about the difference in sentence.
Can you please shed some more light..
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Option B : digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found that the noise was not
How is "WAS NOT continuous " parallel to "CONSISTED".

I thought that consisted is a modifier for the subject noise .

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By recording the noise of crinkled wrappers as they were slowly stretched out in an otherwise silent chamber, and then digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not continuous but consisted of individual bursts or pops just thousandths of a second long.

(A) digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not
(B) digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found that the noise was not
(C) digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not to be
(D) the sound emissions were digitized and analyzed on computers, a team of scientists found that the noise was not
(E) the sound emissions were digitized and analyzed on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not to be




By recording the noise of crinkled wrappers as they were slowly stretched out in an otherwise silent chamber, and then digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not continuous but consisted of individual bursts or pops just thousandths of a second long.

(A) digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not ------------->Suspect without"that"after "found"
(B) digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found that the noise was not ----------> Correct
(C) digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not to be ------------->NOT+to be +BUT+Verb,NOT paralleled
(D) the sound emissions were digitized and analyzed on computers, a team of scientists found that the noise was not ---------------->parallel error
(E) the sound emissions were digitized and analyzed on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not to be ----------------->parallel error
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Option B : digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found that the noise was not
How is "WAS NOT continuous " parallel to "CONSISTED".

I thought that consisted is a modifier for the subject noise .

Please reply!

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IMO,
    "WAS NOT continuous " need not to be paralleled to "CONSISTED".Here,first portion is just a negative statement

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Option B : digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found that the noise was not
How is "WAS NOT continuous " parallel to "CONSISTED".

I thought that consisted is a modifier for the subject noise .

Hi 282552, the sentence would read: The noise consisted of individual bursts.

So, consisted is used as a verb here (and hence, parallel to the verb was).
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My analysis:

A team of scientists found ..............that is logical in this context.

This kills A, C, and E.

In the option D.
By recording ................., the sound emissions--It seems that the sound emissions are doing the task of recording, making the intended meaning altered.
If you see D "the sound emissions were digitized and analyzed on computers" ...ok they are digitized and analyzed. But who did that? Did the team use that analysis? These two questions options D fails to answer. This kills D.

The team of scientists is making the discovery of Noise. How are they doing so? The answer is "By digitizing and ...". This makes B correct.
Answer is B.
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the serious problem with A is that "consisted of" is past participle here and, so, is wrong.
not continuous but consisting of

is correct.

do you agree with me on this point?
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By recording the noise of crinkled wrappers as they were slowly stretched out in an otherwise silent chamber, and then digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not continuous but consisted of individual bursts or pops just thousandths of a second long.

(A) digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not -- a team of scientists found that is needed
(B) digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found that the noise was not - Correct
(C) digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not to be - same as A
(D) the sound emissions were digitized and analyzed on computers, a team of scientists found that the noise was not - parallelism -- by recording .... and then digitizing ..
(E) the sound emissions were digitized and analyzed on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not to be - same as A

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By recording the noise of crinkled wrappers as they were slowly stretched out in an otherwise silent chamber, and then digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not continuous but consisted of individual bursts or pops just thousandths of a second long.

(A) digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not
(B) digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found that the noise was not
(C) digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not to be
(D) the sound emissions were digitized and analyzed on computers, a team of scientists found that the noise was not
(E) the sound emissions were digitized and analyzed on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not to be


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why not B ?
the structure noise not to be appears a little akward. Can somebody help me with the choice of OA?


look at choice A.
consisted is wrong. it should be consisting
in choice B, "consisted" is verb not past participle.
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[quote="maybeam"]By recording the noise of crinkled wrappers as they were slowly stretched out in an otherwise silent chamber, and then digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not continuous but consisted of individual bursts or pops just thousandths of a second long.

(A) digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not
(B) digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found that the noise was not
(C) digitizing and analyzing the sound emissions on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not to be
(D) the sound emissions were digitized and analyzed on computers, a team of scientists found that the noise was not
(E) the sound emissions were digitized and analyzed on computers, a team of scientists found the noise not to be

"consisted of" is a verb. it is not "consisting of" . so we need a verb in negative form to be paralel.
was not' is good.

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