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Calling All Fall 2012 Consortium Applicants! 25 Feb 2012, 13:47
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Wow, I was straight up dinged by USC with no interview. I'm shocked. I was hoping for at least an interview. I ranked them 3/3. Of all the schools I applied to, I thought this was my best chance.

Condolences to anyone else if this was also your fate today.

I got the same email, denied without an interview. I ranked them 5/6.
Fortunately I got in on my #2 already, but I was expecting better luck.

I got the same email yesterday as well. Even though I was expecting it given I haven't heard anything from them since turning in my round 1 app, I was a little bummed to get rejected. I also thought I at least stood a good chance at an interview invite, but I didn't do nearly as good a job of forming relationships as I did with the other schools I applied to. Plus I ranked them 5/5 which I'm sure didnt help.
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Johnny, can you shed light on what you did to form relationships with schools? Maybe this was a weakness in my application.
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From what y'all have see, if you get and interview invitation, is it your acceptance to lose? or is it still a crapshoot whether you get in or not?

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From what y'all have see, if you get and interview invitation, is it your acceptance to lose? or is it still a crapshoot whether you get in or not?

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Crapshoot. People can have meh or even crappy interviews and still get in. And I've heard of people having great interviews and getting denied or waitlisted.

Unlike job interviews I don't think all interviewed candidates are on the same playing field and the interview is the deciding factor. Depending on the school I think that the interview may play 5-10% into the final admissions decision. But what do I know.
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Just thought I would share a complete status on my app cycle,..in summary, NOT LOOKING GOOD! Breakdown is by Consortium ranking (R2).

1. Tuck - Self initiated interview
2. Haas - Heard nothing (assuming a ding if i havent heard by now)
3. Darden - Was contacted last Wednesday (2/22) by the lady in charge of Consortium apps, she asked me to fill out and send in a Va residency form. I did so the following Thursday (2/23). Besides that, nothing.
4. Ross - Invited to interview in the first wave, interviewed on Jan/22nd.
5. Yale - Ding w/ out interview.

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Wharton - Ding w/ out interview (this was a far reach for me, so not that disappointed)


So right now its looking like a good chance Ross may be my only interview. In which case my chances of going to B-school would be 50/50. I was previously hopeful about Tuck,..but the fact that I was dinged w/out interview by so many schools of similar competitiveness has battered my confidence in a Tuck acceptance. The fact that all the marbles may be in the Ross bag has me so nervous.

Also, my stats for anyone curious,...3.1 gpa 680 Gmat....so not very good stats but I thought I had good story to tell and I've been told that I'm an exceptional writer and I felt my essays were very good.

It looks like i'll be sweating it to the very end. So thats my breakdown,..good luck everyone.
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From what y'all have see, if you get and interview invitation, is it your acceptance to lose? or is it still a crapshoot whether you get in or not?

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Crapshoot. People can have meh or even crappy interviews and still get in. And I've heard of people having great interviews and getting denied or waitlisted.

Unlike job interviews I don't think all interviewed candidates are on the same playing field and the interview is the deciding factor. Depending on the school I think that the interview may play 5-10% into the final admissions decision. But what do I know.
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I think so too. I think schools are more than halfway decided when you reach the interview process. You could be in the "must admit" category or the "lets just make sure he's not a weirdo" category. Of course I am sure there a lot of times they are 50-50 on certain applicants, then a good interview will def help. I think it's impact is around 15-20%.

However, most Consortium schools interview around 40-55% of applicants (Yale interviews around 30%.) Once interviewed, your odds are even better as schools USUALLY accept 45-50% of the applicants they interview. Thus, I personally feel it is my acceptance to lose.
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Just thought I would share a complete status on my app cycle,..in summary, NOT LOOKING GOOD! Breakdown is by Consortium ranking (R2).

1. Tuck - Self initiated interview
2. Haas - Heard nothing (assuming a ding if i havent heard by now)
3. Darden - Was contacted last Wednesday (2/22) by the lady in charge of Consortium apps, she asked me to fill out and send in a Va residency form. I did so the following Thursday (2/23). Besides that, nothing.
4. Ross - Invited to interview in the first wave, interviewed on Jan/22nd.
5. Yale - Ding w/ out interview.

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Wharton - Ding w/ out interview (this was a far reach for me, so not that disappointed)


So right now its looking like a good chance Ross may be my only interview. In which case my chances of going to B-school would be 50/50. I was previously hopeful about Tuck,..but the fact that I was dinged w/out interview by so many schools of similar competitiveness has battered my confidence in a Tuck acceptance. The fact that all the marbles may be in the Ross bag has me so nervous.

Also, my stats for anyone curious,...3.1 gpa 680 Gmat....so not very good stats but I thought I had good story to tell and I've been told that I'm an exceptional writer and I felt my essays were very good.

It looks like i'll be sweating it to the very end. So thats my breakdown,..good luck everyone.
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I know that Wharton is a reach for you and you're trying to be realistic about your chances. However, it's not over til it's over. Wharton DOES send invites on the last day. You may be surprised to find you have one tomorrow. Don't claim the ding before it's donged.
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Ross interviews people they know are likely headed for waitlist. They do this to complete the application ahead of time. This is also why very few people are dinged post interview at Ross.
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Just thought I would share a complete status on my app cycle,..in summary, NOT LOOKING GOOD! Breakdown is by Consortium ranking (R2).

1. Tuck - Self initiated interview
2. Haas - Heard nothing (assuming a ding if i havent heard by now)
3. Darden - Was contacted last Wednesday (2/22) by the lady in charge of Consortium apps, she asked me to fill out and send in a Va residency form. I did so the following Thursday (2/23). Besides that, nothing.
4. Ross - Invited to interview in the first wave, interviewed on Jan/22nd.
5. Yale - Ding w/ out interview.

Non-Consortium

Wharton - Ding w/ out interview (this was a far reach for me, so not that disappointed)


So right now its looking like a good chance Ross may be my only interview. In which case my chances of going to B-school would be 50/50. I was previously hopeful about Tuck,..but the fact that I was dinged w/out interview by so many schools of similar competitiveness has battered my confidence in a Tuck acceptance. The fact that all the marbles may be in the Ross bag has me so nervous.

Also, my stats for anyone curious,...3.1 gpa 680 Gmat....so not very good stats but I thought I had good story to tell and I've been told that I'm an exceptional writer and I felt my essays were very good.

It looks like i'll be sweating it to the very end. So thats my breakdown,..good luck everyone.

I know that Wharton is a reach for you and you're trying to be realistic about your chances. However, it's not over til it's over. Wharton DOES send invites on the last day. You may be surprised to find you have one tomorrow. Don't claim the ding before it's donged.
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Thanks cheetarah,..I understand there is a chance, so it would certainly be a pleasant surprise if I got a Wharton invite. But i'm not holding my breath.

The school that i'm really anxious about is Darden, that was a key target for me early in the cycle,... I really felt I had a decent shot when deciding which schools to apply to. My 680 gmat atleast is solidly within their range,..and the fact that I got the Ross invite very early (around Jan.17, and Ross and Darden really have similar standards stat) kinda boosted my confidence for a Darden invite.
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method, can you elaborate about Ross? I thought they accepted a large % of who they interview...
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Thanks for everyone's response. I originally asked because my 2 invites (sans self initiated interviews) are from Texas and UCLA and I was trying to figure out my odds since they actually reached out to meet me. It seems ucla invites about 44% to interview and accepts about 29%.... About a 15% gap in total applicants. I'm wondering what makes up that 15%.... Total "scrubs", borderline apps, or just bad interviews....? Just my thinking and wondering. We're all so close to the finishline the anticipation is building.

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Yes, Ross does have one of the best interview conversation rates, but certain people have been identified as WL candidates and issued an interview invite. If I stumble upon the source of this information, I'll post the link. I'm fairly certain it came from an interview with Soojin or Jon. At first glance, this seems contradictory to the public information that Ross does a 2nd (and much more thorough) review after the interview, but if you look at post-interview metrics, it seems to make some sense. Why is almost everyone admit/WL post-interview, and almost none are dinged? Because the first pass review was enough to identify WL candidates.
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At first glance, this seems contradictory to the public information that Ross does a 2nd (and much more thorough) review after the interview, but if you look at post-interview metrics, it seems to make some sense. Why is almost everyone admit/WL post-interview, and almost none are dinged? Because the first pass review was enough to identify WL candidates.
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I still don't get how that makes sense. If they already know roughly who they'll waitlist and presumably accept after the first pass through,....whats the point of making the post-interview review more rigorous?
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Yes, Ross does have one of the best interview conversation rates, but certain people have been identified as WL candidates and issued an interview invite. If I stumble upon the source of this information, I'll post the link. I'm fairly certain it came from an interview with Soojin or Jon. At first glance, this seems contradictory to the public information that Ross does a 2nd (and much more thorough) review after the interview, but if you look at post-interview metrics, it seems to make some sense. Why is almost everyone admit/WL post-interview, and almost none are dinged? Because the first pass review was enough to identify WL candidates.
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Yeah, that does make sense. It seems though that this year the interview matters so much more- hopefully that means the type of people they would have been on the fence about last year/WLs are being looked at differently this year.
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At first glance, this seems contradictory to the public information that Ross does a 2nd (and much more thorough) review after the interview, but if you look at post-interview metrics, it seems to make some sense. Why is almost everyone admit/WL post-interview, and almost none are dinged? Because the first pass review was enough to identify WL candidates.

I still don't get how that makes sense. If they already know roughly who they'll waitlist and presumably accept after the first pass through,....whats the point of making the post-interview review more rigorous?
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Obviously, I'm just speculating here, but they've mentioned the word "spectrum" before. Although the committee may have identified some candidates who are firmly in the waitlist section of the spectrum, there may be some who are on the border that require a more thorough analysis which may or may not include the interview as a defining component.

I'm also not suggesting that everyone has been painted admit or WL pre-interview. Just that some people may be firmly in the WL camp going into the interview.

I guess my point is that an interview doesn't mean that the admit is yours to lose, or that everything hinges on the interview, even at a school like Ross where the conversion rate is phenomenal.
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Despite the obvious advantages of applying through the Consortium I am starting to get the sense there seem to be some disadvantages too. It seems to me that some of you have some good stats & stories and that you may have been better served applying through the general application, which would have allowed you to better explain any gaps/story and hide school bias/politics, ie, school rankings. Or maybe it's just me.

Just to update everyone I've put bschool on hold one more year and withdrew my apps. Some family issues in the mix. Going to reapply in the fall. Might even retake the GMAT, though you all know where I stand with that lol. But I'm seriously reconsidering going the Consortium route again, though the max number of schools I'd be applying to would be 5 so might not even be much of an issue. Would probably apply to 2 schools through the Consortium and the other 3 through the general application. Just seems like a better strategy. Would love to hear what everyone else thinks.

ETA: Scholarship money is a HUGE factor in me going to bschool. Without it I wouldn't go. But I intend to communicate this to the schools I will be applying to in an oh so subtle way, ie showing interest in the school, getting cozy with the diversity office etc. And one of the reasons why I'm postponing bschool. I need to reassess the schools I'm applying to.
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Despite the obvious advantages of applying through the Consortium I am starting to get the sense there seem to be some disadvantages too. It seems to me that some of you have some good stats & stories and that you may have been better served applying through the general application, which would have allowed you to better explain any gaps/story and hide school bias/politics, ie, school rankings. Or maybe it's just me.

Just to update everyone I've put bschool on hold one more year and withdrew my apps. Some family issues in the mix. Going to reapply in the fall. Might even retake the GMAT, though you all know where I stand with that lol. But I'm seriously reconsidering going the Consortium route again, though the max number of schools I'd be applying to would be 5 so might not even be much of an issue. Would probably apply to 2 schools through the Consortium and the other 3 through the general application. Just seems like a better strategy. Would love to hear what everyone else thinks.

ETA: Scholarship money is a HUGE factor in me going to bschool. Without it I wouldn't go. But I intend to communicate this to the schools I will be applying to in a oh so subtle way, ie showing interest in the school, getting cozy with the diversity office etc. And one of the reasons why I'm postponing bschool. I need to reassess the schools I'm applying to.
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I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments. I was unable to apply to Yale because my wife needs a graduate school of social work in the area, but if I had applied to Yale, I would have done so outside of the Consortium. That strategy would have been based on my gut feeling that I have no chance at a fellowship from Yale, let alone a strong admssion chance, so I couldn't risk putting a landmine at #1 and moving every other school down a peg.
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Sooo the school I ranked #5/5 (Yale SOM) has now become my #2 (after Tuck). If I withdraw from my current rankings #2-4 (Darden, Johnson, Kenan-Flagler), will I have a greater chance of getting a Consortium Fellowship from Yale? I have already gotten in at Yale SOM, Fuqua and Johnson. Still waiting on the other three.

I feel like I would attend Yale or Fuqua over the other three regardless of a fellowship so it doesn't seem right to keep myself in. Thoughts?
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Despite the obvious advantages of applying through the Consortium I am starting to get the sense there seem to be some disadvantages too. It seems to me that some of you have some good stats & stories and that you may have been better served applying through the general application, which would have allowed you to better explain any gaps/story and hide school bias/politics, ie, school rankings. Or maybe it's just me.

Just to update everyone I've put bschool on hold one more year and withdrew my apps. Some family issues in the mix. Going to reapply in the fall. Might even retake the GMAT, though you all know where I stand with that lol. But I'm seriously reconsidering going the Consortium route again, though the max number of schools I'd be applying to would be 5 so might not even be much of an issue. Would probably apply to 2 schools through the Consortium and the other 3 through the general application. Just seems like a better strategy. Would love to hear what everyone else thinks.

ETA: Scholarship money is a HUGE factor in me going to bschool. Without it I wouldn't go. But I intend to communicate this to the schools I will be applying to in an oh so subtle way, ie showing interest in the school, getting cozy with the diversity office etc. And one of the reasons why I'm postponing bschool. I need to reassess the schools I'm applying to.
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So true, in my case it didn't hurt me too bad. Likely because of the group of schools I applied to, but I certainly see how applying through the Consortium destroyed some people. If I could do it again (and getting multiple recommendations wasn't an issue) I would probably only apply to 3 schools through the Consortium. 1 reach, 1 competitive, and 1 safety that isn't sensitive to their rank. I REALLY hope next year's Consortium applicants read through this thread before finalizing their rankings. I bet a few of the people who believed in not "gaming" the rankings would change their tune these days.

Straight from the Consortium website FAQ's- Q: Will a school deny me admission if I don't rank them high enough? A: No. Rankings only affect fellowship offers, which are made well after admission has been decided."

^^^LIES!

What they should have said is "Yes, but don’t worry, the schools won't tell you that rankings affected their decision, if anything they'll just tell you it was some other measure in your application, so you'll never really know if rankings affected the admissions decision, buah-hahaha"

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Sooo the school I ranked #5/5 (Yale SOM) has now become my #2 (after Tuck). If I withdraw from my current rankings #2-4 (Darden, Johnson, Kenan-Flagler), will I have a greater chance of getting a Consortium Fellowship from Yale? I have already gotten in at Yale SOM, Fuqua and Johnson. Still waiting on the other three.

I feel like I would attend Yale or Fuqua over the other three regardless of a fellowship so it doesn't seem right to keep myself in. Thoughts?
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I'd say, if you'd attend SOM or Fuqua over #2-4 REGARDLESS of fellowship, YES. Withdraw #2-4, why wouldn't you? Chances are that #2,3 or 4 will offer it and then SOM wouldn't be able to. If you do withdraw the apps, you should be sure to inform SOM so they now know where they stand with you. Because being ranked so low on their list, you may not be on their fellowship radar as of now. And you would want to make this decision ASAP, because although the decisions won't be released for a few weeks, schools are compiling the lists of people they'd like to offer fellowships to, should a higher ranked school have not already offered one by the time they get the opportunity.
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MIXEDin86
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Sooo the school I ranked #5/5 (Yale SOM) has now become my #2 (after Tuck). If I withdraw from my current rankings #2-4 (Darden, Johnson, Kenan-Flagler), will I have a greater chance of getting a Consortium Fellowship from Yale? I have already gotten in at Yale SOM, Fuqua and Johnson. Still waiting on the other three.

I feel like I would attend Yale or Fuqua over the other three regardless of a fellowship so it doesn't seem right to keep myself in. Thoughts?

I'd say, if you'd attend SOM or Fuqua over #2-4 REGARDLESS of fellowship, YES. Withdraw #2-4, why wouldn't you? Chances are that #2,3 or 4 will offer it and then SOM wouldn't be able to. If you do withdraw the apps, you should be sure to inform SOM so they now know where they stand with you. Because being ranked so low on their list, you may not be on their fellowship radar as of now. And you would want to make this decision ASAP, because although the decisions won't be released for a few weeks, schools are compiling the lists of people they'd like to offer fellowships to, should a higher ranked school have not already offered one by the time they get the opportunity.
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That was my hunch but I needed to bounce it off someone. Thank you! :)

P.S. If it makes anyone feel better, I got into Yale SOM and ranked them 5/5. So ranking schools lower might matter somewhat, but not necessarily.
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