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Could someone explain this concept of "aging out" to me? I understand that applicants are getting younger and younger (which, honestly, escapes me as they don't have enough, in my opinion, real work experience to allow them to take full advantage of the program), but I don't see why there would be a top-end 'age limit' per se. I would think that after the age of 27, or so, people self-select out of applying anyway, but those who do apply really are trying to make a change in their career and I would think should be judged as more valuable applicants who can bring relatively more experience to the table. I'm 27 and am applying after 3 years in Investment Banking and 2 years in Corporate Strategy, but I get the impression I am starting to be "too old" by HBS standards. Thoughts?
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I'm right there with you in concerns of "aging out" of consideration for HBS.

At matriculation, I would be 31, and based on the graph Dee provided in the July 8th admissions blog post, it looks like people my age or older represented less than 2% of the Class of 2012 (17 out of 910). If its any consolation, looking at that same data, people who were 27 and older (assuming everyone graduates at 22, which many don't) represented almost 32% of the Class of 2012 (290 out of 910).

I talked to one current HBS student who noted a couple Marine Corps officers who were admitted to the Class of 2010 already in their mid-30s. I assume the Adcomm makes similar considerations for MDs and PhDs.

I, unfortunately, can't latch onto an explanation like "I was getting my PhD" but I did try to use my essays to emphasize my unique career path and the self-discovery along the way (starting in Strategy Consulting working under ex-McK partners; then left that to join the Marine Corps for the leadership development experience, unfortunately physically injuring myself and not commission; then founding a successful professional services firm). I have no idea how that will sit with the Adcomm - of course I'd love to hear any thoughts since we are speculating on anything and everything this week. :)

Out of curiosity, did any older applicants bring up their age in their application materials and try to address it proactively?
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770, 3.9 GPA, 4 years WE in education (non profit) with TFA/TFAll. What puzzles me is a got an interview invite two years ago, with a lower GMAT (720), and less significant work results. Has that ever happened to anyone on this board before? Got an invite one year, no invite later on?

Same situation for me. Interview invite + waitlist last year. Nothing this year. I thought I put together a better app too. Go figure.


Can we play this theory out really quick? Just noticed an emergence of a reapplicant stack. Is there a counter-factual out there (IE is there anyone out there with an interview invite in hand who's also a reapplicant?) Reapp pool usually constitutes about 10% of total. If there are 100 invites left do 10% of 4,000 get 400 go 20% of that and get 80. Seems plausible you might segregate reapps and review at the last.

I realize I could do my own research on this... but the beauty of this thread is division of labor and the wisdom of the crowd :)
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Remember last Tuesday/Wednesday some re-apps were the only ones who got invites on the forums...
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Value add....

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770, 3.9 GPA, 4 years WE in education (non profit) with TFA/TFAll. What puzzles me is a got an interview invite two years ago, with a lower GMAT (720), and less significant work results. Has that ever happened to anyone on this board before? Got an invite one year, no invite later on?

Same situation for me. Interview invite + waitlist last year. Nothing this year. I thought I put together a better app too. Go figure.


Can we play this theory out really quick? Just noticed an emergence of a reapplicant stack. Is there a counter-factual out there (IE is there anyone out there with an interview invite in hand who's also a reapplicant?) Reapp pool usually constitutes about 10% of total. If there are 100 invites left do 10% of 4,000 get 400 go 20% of that and get 80. Seems plausible you might segregate reapps and review at the last.

I realize I could do my own research on this... but the beauty of this thread is division of labor and the wisdom of the crowd :)

Remember last Tuesday/Wednesday some re-apps were the only ones who got invites on the forums...
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Got it - CarpathianRidge. In looking this information up, I came to the conclusion that the "Value add" comment would be better used on a number of prior posts...
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First interview starts tomorrow...
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First interview starts tomorrow...
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Best of luck! to those who have interviews...I am still waiting for my invite :) at this point I have very little hope...
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can someone let me know whats the interview date range in mumbai... have got mine on 25th.. but the interviews are supposed to be till 21st, worldwide... strange i was not given any slot option, they just proposed a date and time and i confirmed... any thoughts?

@hbsguru: anything unusual on my chances? i got my invite mid of last week.
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the mumbai interview dates are from 22nd to 26th nov, almost all the slots were taken so I guess they offered you one of the remaining slots.
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thanks mbaaspirant... all the best to you...

lets now wait for some interview feedbacks...
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Anyone got invites today?
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I understand that applicants are getting younger and younger (which, honestly, escapes me as they don't have enough, in my opinion, real work experience to allow them to take full advantage of the program
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There are two sides to this. I am one of the said "younger" applicants, and I will barely be 20 when I apply to HBS - still in college. But with programs like the 2+2 they are not taking people without experience and making them sit in a class. They are taking people without experience and telling them that they CAN sit in the class, if they work for two years and come back. So it's a kind of deferred admission in some senses.

At the same time, next year's applicants (the regular ones) might face a different scene since the first cohort of 2+2 will actually matriculate at HBS. This means one of two things can happen:

1. HBS cuts down on intake from the regular pool by a 100ish so as to make room for the 2+2 admits.
2. They increase admits by a 100 by keeping the intake from the regular pool at an almost constant level. No one really knows (Maybe create a section?)

But all this is speculation and while I understand that it's a supremely anxious time, these remain exactly what they are - speculations.

Wishing all of you the best of luck. :)
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I understand that applicants are getting younger and younger (which, honestly, escapes me as they don't have enough, in my opinion, real work experience to allow them to take full advantage of the program

There are two sides to this. I am one of the said "younger" applicants, and I will barely be 20 when I apply to HBS - still in college. But with programs like the 2+2 they are not taking people without experience and making them sit in a class. They are taking people without experience and telling them that they CAN sit in the class, if they work for two years and come back. So it's a kind of deferred admission in some senses.

At the same time, next year's applicants (the regular ones) might face a different scene since the first cohort of 2+2 will actually matriculate at HBS. This means one of two things can happen:

1. HBS cuts down on intake from the regular pool by a 100ish so as to make room for the 2+2 admits.
2. They increase admits by a 100 by keeping the intake from the regular pool at an almost constant level. No one really knows (Maybe create a section?)

But all this is speculation and while I understand that it's a supremely anxious time, these remain exactly what they are - speculations.

Wishing all of you the best of luck. :)
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Rather than creating a section, why not add 10 extra seats in the class. That way you can add 100 more people, which helps our case as well as you don't need an overhead cost for adding a new section.
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Rather than creating a section, why not add 10 extra seats in the class. That way you can add 100 more people, which helps our case as well as you don't need an overhead cost for adding a new section.
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Because the classrooms don't fit more than 90 people and the cohorts are maxed at 90.
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Could someone explain this concept of "aging out" to me? I understand that applicants are getting younger and younger (which, honestly, escapes me as they don't have enough, in my opinion, real work experience to allow them to take full advantage of the program), but I don't see why there would be a top-end 'age limit' per se. I would think that after the age of 27, or so, people self-select out of applying anyway, but those who do apply really are trying to make a change in their career and I would think should be judged as more valuable applicants who can bring relatively more experience to the table. I'm 27 and am applying after 3 years in Investment Banking and 2 years in Corporate Strategy, but I get the impression I am starting to be "too old" by HBS standards. Thoughts?

I'm right there with you in concerns of "aging out" of consideration for HBS.

At matriculation, I would be 31, and based on the graph Dee provided in the July 8th admissions blog post, it looks like people my age or older represented less than 2% of the Class of 2012 (17 out of 910). If its any consolation, looking at that same data, people who were 27 and older (assuming everyone graduates at 22, which many don't) represented almost 32% of the Class of 2012 (290 out of 910).

I talked to one current HBS student who noted a couple Marine Corps officers who were admitted to the Class of 2010 already in their mid-30s. I assume the Adcomm makes similar considerations for MDs and PhDs.

I, unfortunately, can't latch onto an explanation like "I was getting my PhD" but I did try to use my essays to emphasize my unique career path and the self-discovery along the way (starting in Strategy Consulting working under ex-McK partners; then left that to join the Marine Corps for the leadership development experience, unfortunately physically injuring myself and not commission; then founding a successful professional services firm). I have no idea how that will sit with the Adcomm - of course I'd love to hear any thoughts since we are speculating on anything and everything this week. :)

Out of curiosity, did any older applicants bring up their age in their application materials and try to address it proactively?
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Yeah, I brought it up in the introduce yourself essay. I'm positively geriatric at 30, but well within the average for a fresh PhD in my field. Who cares as long as I look younger than most of the HBS students. Should've said that in my app. Hah! :)
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harvard is already huge. I'd be surprised if they added enough students to make up for the 2+2s
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Could someone explain this concept of "aging out" to me? I understand that applicants are getting younger and younger (which, honestly, escapes me as they don't have enough, in my opinion, real work experience to allow them to take full advantage of the program), but I don't see why there would be a top-end 'age limit' per se. I would think that after the age of 27, or so, people self-select out of applying anyway, but those who do apply really are trying to make a change in their career and I would think should be judged as more valuable applicants who can bring relatively more experience to the table. I'm 27 and am applying after 3 years in Investment Banking and 2 years in Corporate Strategy, but I get the impression I am starting to be "too old" by HBS standards. Thoughts?

I'm right there with you in concerns of "aging out" of consideration for HBS.

At matriculation, I would be 31, and based on the graph Dee provided in the July 8th admissions blog post, it looks like people my age or older represented less than 2% of the Class of 2012 (17 out of 910). If its any consolation, looking at that same data, people who were 27 and older (assuming everyone graduates at 22, which many don't) represented almost 32% of the Class of 2012 (290 out of 910).

I talked to one current HBS student who noted a couple Marine Corps officers who were admitted to the Class of 2010 already in their mid-30s. I assume the Adcomm makes similar considerations for MDs and PhDs.

I, unfortunately, can't latch onto an explanation like "I was getting my PhD" but I did try to use my essays to emphasize my unique career path and the self-discovery along the way (starting in Strategy Consulting working under ex-McK partners; then left that to join the Marine Corps for the leadership development experience, unfortunately physically injuring myself and not commission; then founding a successful professional services firm). I have no idea how that will sit with the Adcomm - of course I'd love to hear any thoughts since we are speculating on anything and everything this week. :)

Out of curiosity, did any older applicants bring up their age in their application materials and try to address it proactively?


Yeah, I brought it up in the introduce yourself essay. I'm positively geriatric at 30, but well within the average for a fresh PhD in my field. Who cares as long as I look younger than most of the HBS students. Should've said that in my app. Hah! :)
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LOL very good. In following these discussions I wish I would have thought more about my age as I didn't address it and perhaps it merited mention somewhere in my application materials. Although I did mention getting top physical fitness scores when I joined the Marine Corps and I was already in my late 20's so maybe that will offset the concerns that I'm past my prime. All these thread discussions have definitely given me some things to think about if I get dinged and decide to apply next year.

Best of luck to you! If we make it through to HBS, maybe we can trade war stories about making it to our ripe old ages, over oatmeal and wheat toast of course! :wink:
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Any interviews today? Would love to hear some feedback!
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Hehe, LionO. Yes, we can talk about a time when 30 would NOT have been considered old for an MBA. Ah, the good old days.

You military types are solid. Good luck, and I do hope you make it! As to my own chances, I'm not really holding my breath at this point..
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Sad to say, but the book is closing on those who haven't yet received invites. Best of luck to all those who did!
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any idea how many invites remain to be sent out?
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Hehe, LionO. Yes, we can talk about a time when 30 would NOT have been considered old for an MBA. Ah, the good old days.

You military types are solid. Good luck, and I do hope you make it! As to my own chances, I'm not really holding my breath at this point..
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Or we can talk about the time when 25 would have been old for an MBA. ;)
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