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Calling all Kellogg Fall'08 applicants 03 Apr 2008, 16:34
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Is anyone else having problems logging into the admitted students site today? Initially my user/pwd wasn't working and now the site won't even load at all...
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Just checked it...not working for me either. Maybe its overwhelmed with all the folks who got in on monday and got admit packages today :lol:
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Does anyone know when does Kellogg have its TG hh? Is it Thursday or Friday?
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Calling all Kellogg Fall'08 applicants 04 Apr 2008, 10:18
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TG is on Fridays, short for "Thank God It's Friday". :P
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Yes they are on Friday, one thing to consider is DAK is in a few weeks so you probably dont want to try to time a visit for that day.
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DAK is on 18th.. Do you think it will be okay if I visited a week before .. on 11tth?
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BEWARE THE FINANCIAL AID OFFICE. Below is my experience with them today.

Kellogg posted the new cost of attendance online. Not surprised that they raised the tuition by a bunch, and not anything else. So I called the FinAid office to ask them exactly why they think that cost of living isn't going up by more than $350 a year, and I talked to one of the rudest and, let's say, NOT-the-sharpest-knife-in-the-drawer, people ever.

Point 1: I asked why computer costs went down by $700 this year.

Me: "How is that computer costs are $700 cheaper this year? I mean, it's going to be more than $1800 to get a laptop, printer, docking station, monitor, etc."
Her: "Costs have actually gone down for computers. They used to be $3000."
Me: "Really. Well I find it hard to believe that everything costs $700 less after just one year."
Her: "Well there's $1200 for the computer and a little extra there. Your printer is not going to cost $600. But you could choose not to get a printer."
Me: "Umm, do you really expect people to go through business school without printers?"
Her: "Well you don't need a $600 printer!"
Me: "I'm not saying that. I'm saying that that's a huge chunk to take off for cost after only ONE YEAR. How are we supposed to buy all that equipment with just $1800?"
Her: "Well it's your choice but you don't need a $600 printer."
Me: "I'm not going to argue over minutia with you."


Point 2: I asked why the transportation cost didn't go up at all, considering the increase in gas/oil prices. (Side note: I'm lucky enough not to need plane tickets to see family, but I was just asking this because I thought in principle it was kinda crazy.)

Me: "You do know that transportation costs more now than it did last year. Gas is almost $4 in Chicago and Evanston."
Her: "Most students are able to find $100 round trip tickets for anywhere in the U.S."
Me: "Umm, I'm sorry, what? $100 for a round trip ticket?"
Her: "Yes. We survey our current students. That's what we've found."
Me: "Are you kidding me? You said $100 for a ROUND TRIP ticket, right?"
Her: "Yes."
Me: "Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? And where exactly can I find these $100 tickets?"
Her: "I don't know."

Point 3: Room/board went up only by less than $300.

Me: "So you do know that Evanston apartments are very expensive, even the not-so-expensive places. They are flat out raising rents by $100-$200 a month, I've actually SEEN that on paper."
Her: "Well we take a survey from our students and come up with an average cost."
Me: "I just find it incredibly hard to believe that Kellogg thinks that food and rent costs are only going up by $300 or so for 9 months - I mean, things are getting very expensive very quickly. I live in downtown Chicago, but Evanston is MORE expensive, and increasingly so."
Her: "Well that's what we came up with. You're going to have to live on a budget."
Me: "Excuse me? This is not about living on a budget, this is about Kellogg being more reasonable. Tuition costs are going up 6.5%, but our living expenses only go up by 2%?"
Her: "Well our costs have increased."
Me: "Ummm, and ours don't?"
Her: "So what's your point?"
Me: "WHAT?!?!"
***silence***
Me: "My POINT is that I'm not about to drop $140,000 on this without some due consideration from Kellogg as to the increasing cost of living. I wish I had known this new cost of attendance and FinAid's general attitude before I made the decision to come here and had other options."
Her: "Well you still do."
Me: "WHAT?! You know, I'm very excited about Kellogg as a school, but I'm extrememly disappointed in the FinAid office."
Her: "Well you can always go somewhere else."
Me: "What's your name?"
Her: "*****."
Me: "Well *****, I'd like to speak to someone else."
Her: "They're all on lunch breaks."
Me: "Well then I guess I'll have to call your supervisor later."
Her: "Thanks for calling the Kellogg School of Management. Bye."

Now, I'll say that towards the end, my tone was not very nice, but I couldn't believe how rudely I was being treated. I plan on following up with the supervisor.
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I noticed that at a lot of schools the costs for living arent really an accurate reflection of the increased cost of things these days. If you factor energy and food costs things are going to cost a lot more than last year. Also they dont consider the cost of apartments individual, if someone has a roommate and splits a $2000 apartment their housing cost is $1000, but a one bedroom in the same building can be $1700.

I think that their financial aid department is one thing giving them a lot of bad opinions from admits. When I asked about adjusted costs for married couples they said they dont do that except if you have kids they may adjust for daycare. I told them it didnt make sense since travel, food, and basic necessities cost a lot more for two people than one. Her argument was well most spouses work, she didnt have an answer when I asked about the international students whose spouses cant get visas.

However, I dont think this is much different than at a lot of schools. I have heard similar complaints from a lot of single students going to schools in expensive areas. They factor in people living in the schools housing, living with roommates, and act like thats going to be enough for everyone. I dont see why they wont jack up the prices a little to make it possible for people to live how they want to. That said, I think they expect people to use some of their savings and they do seem to give out a lot of smaller scholarships to help lower the cost of attendance.

There must be a reason for schools doing this. Oh I did hear they do readjust amounts allowed so you can pay for things like GIM. I do think the computer stuff you will probably be able to get most everything for $1800, $3k was really high...but still it sucks they dont shift that money around at all.
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Apollo, Kudos for making me laugh so hard and typing out the conversation. That's pretty bad.

Can't you petition for more budget? Or is it set in stone?

At Haas, the financial aid people are SUPER nice and helpful, and one even helped a student appeal to get a housing budget for over $2500/month! They definitely bend over backwards to help the students. Hrm... one more consideration to throw in. I will have to have my own interactions with this lady soon and see what I think...
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Wow, Apollo, my jaw literally dropped reading the transcript of your conversation with FinAid.

I can understand that the lady you spoke to doesn't have control over the living allowances herself but the least she could do was try to explain their process for coming up with these amounts (logically) and take your complaint. Her statement that you can go somewhere else was way out of line and screams of a superiority complex. At least you took her name so you can make a formal complaint...they should be aware that there are some bad apples in there that are giving their entire admin a bad reputation. I have heard time and time again from other prospective and admitted students how poorly organized the administration is at Kellogg and it makes me a bit concerned, especially since I'm still in the decision making mode. If they can't be courteous, professional and helpful during the admissions process then what is in store for us when we're current students?
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Apollo, do let us know what the supervisor says about this situation. It's quite serious how rude the person is.
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Apollo, kudos for posting!

I am shocked to hear that especially when I'm trying to process my own financial aid sometime next week too. Dammit, I thought everything at K is all sugar & spice.
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i actually was going to call to see if they received my financial aid application earlier this week... now I'm afraid. :?
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I really think it depends who you talk to when you call any school. I have had both bad and pleasant experiences with every single school I contacted. So far I havent really had any complaints about Kelloggs financial aid, I think not increasing costs is stupid. I dont think I will "need" all the money since my wife will be supporting us but common sense tells me that they should have increased the amounts. I know my living expenses have gone up in the last year so how can they not recognize that.

Its funny that their admissions folks and financial aid are big points of complaints (though every student I talked to said they had no issues with getting loans and affording things but did say they arent exactly the best folks to deal with at times)...i find it amazing considering everyone I have talked to that attends or is an alum RAVES about their career services, the deans office, and pretty much every other support services at the school.

I made a post on their admitted students website, under the general questions (its under another fin aid question)...post your opinions there too. Maybe if a bunch of people start voicing complaints they will reevaluate stuff. They probably think students dont want to take HUGE amounts out.
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Originally, I was calling to inquire about how to notify Kellogg of financial changes, but also decided to ask about why the cost of living didn't increase - it was more about principle than anything. I don't plan on taking out the full loans but I thought it completely insane about not raising the cost of living more than $300. Anyways, after that conversation, I could really care less about the cost issue, now it's about the respect, or lack of it rather.

I know that it very well could be one bad apple, but geez. For some reason this general attitude seems to permeate many schools' finaid offices - bschool, undergrad, and otherwise. It's very unfortunate because it tarnishes an otherwise very good experience with the school thus far. Perhaps she was having a bad day, but even when I'm having a particularly rotten day, I still manage to keep my tongue in check with clients. I was APPALLED at her comment that I could go somewhere else. That was completely unnecessary - and totally unprofessional (and TJ, you're right, it screams superioriy complex). I most definitely understand that she personally was not responsible for the cost increase/decreases, and even prefaced my questions with that when we first began speaking. I'm hoping that this is an insolated incident but I'm sure I'll avoid this particular finaid person during my time at Kellogg. I will definitely follow up with a supervisor and let you all know what happens.

I posted my conversation in part to vent and in part to entertain you all. GMATclub is such good therapy.:wink: (I'm still getting a kick out of the $100 round trip planes tickets anywhere in the US.) But mostly, I just wanted to warn you guys that if you get a particularly ornary lady on the phone, hang up and call back later!! :-D Kry - don't be afraid to call them about that, I called them about random questions before and they were very nice.
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Good to know, I'd be curious to know who this person is... Maybe you can PM me the name so I look for her at DAK II? :)

I'll give them a call Monday to see if they've received my stuff.
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Hi Apollo,

Keep us updated please :)

Also, I agree with riverriper, you should definitely post this in the admitted students discussion forum, so that they can do something about it.
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Plans about Kellogg's new building in yesterday's Tribune:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... 6523.story
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I have a couple questions about Kellogg. I am a prospective student planning to apply for fall 2009.

1. I am planning a trip up there in May. Has anyone stayed at the Margarita Inn in Evanston? Any comments?

2. Are any of the admits planning to go into finance/IB? Obviously that isn't their perceived strength, yet 20-25% of the graduates end up in that field. They seem to land jobs at some of the top companies/banks. I think the trip will help clear up this issue for me, but I just wanted to get an opinion here first.

Thanks.
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nice! but like all the schools I applied to, their new building will never be done while I'm there... :( Should have applied to Ross. :P
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