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you should also refrain from bragging about high-iq societies. I am not sure if you put that on your resume or essays or anything but it could rub people the wrong way (mensa, triple-9, etc).
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No offence, but how is mention of such membership different from any other achievements?
By the same token, we shouldn't mention social work as well, considering its driver should be altruism and not b-school applications? Anyways, I included that because while signing up, there was a field called "member of.." to be filled up. I do mention it in my resume though...just like my award for best high school student in my state.

I have no intention of "bragging" or rubbing anyone the wrong way...
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no offense taken. the problem is (at least in the states) high IQ societies are associated with PhD type people, not MBA. the nerd by himself that can't achieve success in real life so he/she joins a "we are smarter than you" club. you are portraying yourself like "hey guys, im really really smart! like, way smarter than you!". time and time again MBA programs advertise they do not want that type of image (ex the legendary story of Stanford rejecting all 800 GMAT).

your gmat, professional , etc will portray you as a truly smart individual. there is no need to go the extra step and discuss memberships in the various IQ societies, especially when they know all you really have to do is submit a test score and pay to be a member (in fact, your gmat of 750 qualifies for both i believe so the adcom will know you are that smart anyhow).

you need to market yourself as a business person not a genius to get in.
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Losing faith....too drastic a reaction I think, and most probably temporary

But all in all, I thought I had a good profile:

Manager in Risk Analytics for Citigroup (3.5 yrs now)
Associate Consultant with Kanbay (2+ yrs)
Online journalist with numerous articles on Net (Google search will reveal)
Have covered Auto Expo 2008 in New Delhi where Nano was launched
Social work - Tsunami relief, flood relief, some other activities - Bharat Sevashram, company CSR
Entepreneurship - Partner in content management firm
Extra Currics - Quite a good quizzer and debater. Also a science fiction writer looking for publsihers.
Competent bodybuilder (max bench press 400 pounds )
Krav Maga (Israeli martial art) practitioner and trainer
Member of high-IQ societies Mensa, Triple Nine, ISPE
X, XII - 92.4%, 91.5% - best all round student in West Bengal (2000)
College president, BE (IT) CGPA 8.34
GMAT - 750

And I was especially happy with my Wharton essays.
I just hope Kellogg doesn't disappoint me as well...
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With so many things under your belt. Do you get time to sleep!? That's one stellar of a profile.

Sorry about your ding. Though, I'm in no place to comment, but I think it really boils down to your presentation. And, I don't think 780 would really matter, rather might raise eyebrows. 750 is a great score! GMAT should be ticked off your list.

Sorry, but how is CFA going to help you? To me, CFA is different from an MBA. So, by going down that path - you'll be unclear about your goals.

Wharton, unlike HBS/Stanford, does not really "fancy" too many people below 26. So, may be, you could reflect back on your essays? See how they are, ask people to review them et cetra.
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Do schools ever give feedback?

Souryab, I read somewhere that if you wait until the spring, schools are more likely to give feedback since their busy season will be over. That may be the best way to go about it versus us speculating....
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Do schools ever give feedback?

Souryab, I read somewhere that if you wait until the spring, schools are more likely to give feedback since their busy season will be over. That may be the best way to go about it versus us speculating....
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Well, you guys have been more than helpful.

Regarding presentation, I think I didn't do too badly on that part.
I did have essays reviewed by my immediate supervisor (God bless him!) who is a graduate from one of the top B-schools in India and with years of experience in recruiting and training (he is a senior VP). Also, my brother, who is a regular blogger, also gave some inputs.

Regarding CFA...well, I have little formal education in finance. Since it is one of my areas of interest, other than marketing, I thought it will give me a leg-up in my MBA studies, if and when I manage to get in...

Moreover, since I have some bit of writing experience, I thought I would be able to put my ideas forth clearly (Guys, you can read some of my articles on the Net. Just type in "Sourya Biswas" in Google). Besides, I have been writing freelance off and on for eight years now...a good second line of income since my undergraduate days.

I am wondering whether I missed something from the American psyche point of view. Will an admission consultant be of any help? And yeah, I will definitely seek feedback from the Adcoms, however low be the chance of success.
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Wharton used to give feedback but they won't be this year and in the future
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a consultant could be good in your case. you have a great profile, you just need to market yourself in the american ideal of an MBA grad.

it may seem silly, but you can get a jist of the image from movies and television.

Star trek: Think Kirk not Scotty
House: Cuddy not House
Stargate SG1: Col O'Neil not Sam Carter

etc etc etc. in all those examples the other person is clearly portrayed as smarter IQ wise, but there are characteristics of the first person that make him or her the better leader. ex Kirk can keep his cool when aliens attack the ship, Cuddy is more responsible, presentable , etc to investors and other business people, etc etc
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Excellent answer!

By the way, I have held leadership positions at high school (faculty's prerogative), undergraduate school (elected president) and work (hopefully, due to some excellent work). I have also helped organize school festivals and two Annual Day celebrations in my previous organization. I have led tsunami rehabilitation efforts as part of company CSR and flood relief efforts through my association with a pan-India NGO.

AND, I had mentioned all these in my application and essays.
I guess, the way I mentioned them weren't convincing or lucid enough.

P.S. I would appreciate any feedback on my online articles from you well-read guys.
The first page in Google search is full of Linkedin, Facebook, Wikimapia, etc. Got to the 2nd+ pages for the features.


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a consultant could be good in your case. you have a great profile, you just need to market yourself in the american ideal of an MBA grad.

it may seem silly, but you can get a jist of the image from movies and television.

Star trek: Think Kirk not Scotty
House: Cuddy not House
Stargate SG1: Col O'Neil not Sam Carter

etc etc etc. in all those examples the other person is clearly portrayed as smarter IQ wise, but there are characteristics of the first person that make him or her the better leader. ex Kirk can keep his cool when aliens attack the ship, Cuddy is more responsible, presentable , etc to investors and other business people, etc etc
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Excellent answer!

By the way, I have held leadership positions at high school (faculty's prerogative), undergraduate school (elected president) and work (hopefully, due to some excellent work). I have also helped organize school festivals and two Annual Day celebrations in my previous organization. I have led tsunami rehabilitation efforts as part of company CSR and flood relief efforts through my association with a pan-India NGO.

AND, I had mentioned all these in my application and essays.
I guess, the way I mentioned them weren't convincing or lucid enough.

P.S. I would appreciate any feedback on my online articles from you well-read guys.
The first page in Google search is full of Linkedin, Facebook, Wikimapia, etc. Got to the 2nd+ pages for the features.


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a consultant could be good in your case. you have a great profile, you just need to market yourself in the american ideal of an MBA grad.

it may seem silly, but you can get a jist of the image from movies and television.

Star trek: Think Kirk not Scotty
House: Cuddy not House
Stargate SG1: Col O'Neil not Sam Carter

etc etc etc. in all those examples the other person is clearly portrayed as smarter IQ wise, but there are characteristics of the first person that make him or her the better leader. ex Kirk can keep his cool when aliens attack the ship, Cuddy is more responsible, presentable , etc to investors and other business people, etc etc
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I might take this outside the Wharton forum. I'd recommend a consultant in your case. Most consultants offer a free evaluation, or some time to talk to them before you select one. They would be able to help you hone your storytelling, as it sounds like you have the right background. They'd also have some good tips... ie. you might want to leave out the benchpressing part too unless you're waaay drunk at some party, b/c adcom just won't care about things like physical strength.
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Could a mod update the roll count please? :)
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Yeah, we should take this offline...too much discussion on WHY I DID NOT make it..
Better to learn of those who DID

By the way, I didn't mention the bench press thingy in my application... :lol: but I did include the Martial arts background..

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Excellent answer!

By the way, I have held leadership positions at high school (faculty's prerogative), undergraduate school (elected president) and work (hopefully, due to some excellent work). I have also helped organize school festivals and two Annual Day celebrations in my previous organization. I have led tsunami rehabilitation efforts as part of company CSR and flood relief efforts through my association with a pan-India NGO.

AND, I had mentioned all these in my application and essays.
I guess, the way I mentioned them weren't convincing or lucid enough.

P.S. I would appreciate any feedback on my online articles from you well-read guys.
The first page in Google search is full of Linkedin, Facebook, Wikimapia, etc. Got to the 2nd+ pages for the features.


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a consultant could be good in your case. you have a great profile, you just need to market yourself in the american ideal of an MBA grad.

it may seem silly, but you can get a jist of the image from movies and television.

Star trek: Think Kirk not Scotty
House: Cuddy not House
Stargate SG1: Col O'Neil not Sam Carter

etc etc etc. in all those examples the other person is clearly portrayed as smarter IQ wise, but there are characteristics of the first person that make him or her the better leader. ex Kirk can keep his cool when aliens attack the ship, Cuddy is more responsible, presentable , etc to investors and other business people, etc etc


I might take this outside the Wharton forum. I'd recommend a consultant in your case. Most consultants offer a free evaluation, or some time to talk to them before you select one. They would be able to help you hone your storytelling, as it sounds like you have the right background. They'd also have some good tips... ie. you might want to leave out the benchpressing part too unless you're waaay drunk at some party, b/c adcom just won't care about things like physical strength.
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Tell me, especially those from the US, what kind of ECs and social work are considered really great there?
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Each of the top programs is a special breed. Harvard appreciates leadership and achievement. H decisions are driven by a very very a experienced Adcom - they have seen it all, and they may also have a special list of characteristics they look for each year. WHich is why, no-one is a safe-bet at H.

Wharton is very very different from H. The apps are reviewed mostly by student adcom members, and the decision weighs in heavily on your character and what's between the lines of your app. Wharton candidates are all extremely qualified so the school has to pick around 15% of a group of people who would probably get in if it was a numbers game. I have heard Wharton adcom often denies apps that show signs of arrogance, non-team-player attitudes, or that appear all-over the place (plenty of achievements nothing to connect the dots). If you look like you are trying to hard, you are probably not going to fit in. I agree with the rest of the opinions, don't think of retaking GMAT, or getting on with yet another extracurricular If you are going to reapply, find out what you are truly passionate about and convey a clear, concise, focused profile that gives them a full picture of what you are about, and where you want to go. Also, you should definitely have several school alumnae review your essays and possibly a consultant.
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Could a mod update the roll count please? :)
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This weekend I will do it. Have been slacking on this as the more time I am spending on GC the more I end up feeling down for not getting any calls yet. It is about time the roll call gets updated now. This weekend it is.
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I agree with MBAgirl2010 and go2bizSkool. Applicants must identify the truly unique "points" that make them, them. Scores, test results, brand names, etc. are all great. At the end of the day, IMO, what matters most is the track record you have for driving change and impacting your organization, community and circle of family/friends/contacts.

In the same light, titles/memberships etc. don't mean much. I have several contacts who were granted admission not based on "hard stats" (sub-700 scores, sub-3.5 gpas) but rather on impact, passion, and most importantly vision.

One last thought - think hard about this. The adcom read THOUSANDS of essays. How will they remember your name - and associate your name to a story? (i.e. you accomplished ABC to work at DEF in order to have the position/power/ability/access to influence GHI. Post-MBA, I dream/aspire/hope to do JKL.) Just as MBAgirl2010 said, accomplishments should be tied into one another - these accomplishments should synthesize the very you.

One small note - I happen to meet/recruit MBAs and IB/MC folks all the time (for work - my organization as a client). What always makes me choose one over another isn't their client list (or education background) but rather if I can identify with these individuals.... do these people believe in my business, in my vision... Make Wharton believe in yours.
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Applicants must identify the truly unique "points" that make them, them. Scores, test results, brand names, etc. are all great. At the end of the day, IMO, what matters most is the track record you have for driving change and impacting your organization, community and circle of family/friends/contacts.
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This is God's speak. I mean, look at an applicant like me: I have no big brand names on my resume (no-name undergrad, no-name employers) at all, and yet, I was admitted to two of the top-three schools in the US when I was applying.

Brands can be useful for magnifying your impact, and there is a big correlation between having a certain brand on your resume and positive outcome of your quest for admittance into a good school: if you were able to drive change and have impact in an organization like (fill in a brand you like), and the quality and general caliber of the people who work there is well-known, it is easier to benchmark your profile against this perceived standard. This creates a situation where certain firms are true factories of b-school candidates (think big banks and consulting firms): there are dozens and hundreds of former bankers and consultants at any good school at any given time.
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Now time to work on my app for R2.
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Roll call updated. Summary follows

Total: 66
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Now time to work on my app for R2.
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Thanks. Gluck with your app.

From what I remember of my Wharton visit, the adcom said about 30% overall get invites, and 15% overall get offers. Good to see gmatclub above the trend, although, this is a somewhat higher self-selecting sample.
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