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"Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza must have its crust, which resembles a [#permalink] New post   14 Jan 2022, 06:00
Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza must have its crust, which resembles a pie crust more than a traditional pizza-style flatbread, baked alone before toppings are added, and so takes longer to prepare it than most other types of pizza.


(A) "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza must have its crust, which resembles a pie crust more than a traditional pizza-style flatbread, baked alone before toppings are added, and so takes longer to prepare it than most other types of pizza. ''Must have its crust baked'' makes the meaning nonsensical, it looks as if pizza itself needs to get its crust baked.

(B) The crust of "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza is more similar to a pie crust than to a traditional pizza-style flatbread and must be baked alone before adding toppings, thus taking longer to prepare than most other types of pizzas. (Usage of ''and'' introduces parallelism, however, then it distorts the meaning. It gives two parallel reasons for taking longer time to bake, one is the design of the crust and other is that it needs to be baked alone. However, crust design is not the reason for taking longer time. Thus, usage of ''and'' is wrong.

(C) "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza takes longer to prepare than most other types of pizza because of its crust, resembling a pie crust more than a traditional pizza-style flatbread, must be baked alone before adding toppings. ''Because of its crust must be baked'', this is super off grammar, preposition ''of'' and ''must'' cannot be clubbed together

(D) "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza takes longer to prepare than most other types of pizza because its crust, which is more like a pie crust than like a traditional pizza-style flatbread, must be baked alone before toppings are added. Correct answer.

(E) Because its crust is more like a pie crust than a traditional pizza-style flatbread, "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza must have its crust baked alone before toppings are added, and so takes longer than most other types of pizzas to prepare it. Again distorts the meaning, ''must have its crust baked'' is wrong
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Re: "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza must have its crust, which resembles a [#permalink] New post   19 Jan 2022, 23:30
I kinda took some time but took more of a meaning based approach here.

The chronology:

+ Its crust is more like a pie crust than like a traditional pizza-style flatbread (Non essential info)

+ Its crust must be baked alone before toppings are added.

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+ Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza takes longer to prepare than most other types of pizza.


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Re: "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza must have its crust, which resembles a [#permalink] New post   07 Jul 2023, 21:36
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D is the best answer.

But my concern is with this statement: ""Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza takes longer to prepare than most other types of pizza ...."

Aren't we comparing time taken to prepare a pizza with pizzas in the above statement?

""Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza takes longer to prepare than it takes to prepare most other types of pizza....." should be the correct sentence right?


Good discussion on this thread. I would add above that in addition to the pronoun "it" being ambiguous (the GMAT is pretty tolerant of pronoun ambiguity) "it" is completely unnecessary in the given statements.

As for the point quoted above, the comparison is between the attributes of the types of pizza (specifically the preparation time). We could write the sentence this way: ""Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza takes longer to prepare than most other types of pizza take to prepare....", but the phrase 'take to prepare' is understood and unnecessary.

Written as ""Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza takes longer to prepare than it takes to prepare most other types of pizza....." compares Chicago style pizza with preparation time.

BTW, I lived in Chicago for 3 years and this passage makes me miss the Chicago-style pizza - it's fantastic...

KW


Hello,

I agree with the correct answer choice. Still I am a bit curious about answer E. I discarded this answer choice because for me I considered the last clause of that answer choice (bolded) an independent clause, and there should be a noun or pronoun between the "so" and "takes". I know that there are other issues with this answer choice, but I just want to make sure whether I am correct or not in this independent clause principle. I would appreciate any thoughts about that.

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(E) Because its crust is more like a pie crust than a traditional pizza-style flatbread, "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza must have its crust baked alone before toppings are added, and so takes longer than most other types of pizzas to prepare it.
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I agree with the correct answer choice. Still I am a bit curious about answer E. I discarded this answer choice because for me I considered the last clause of that answer choice (bolded) an independent clause, and there should be a noun or pronoun between the "so" and "takes". I know that there are other issues with this answer choice, but I just want to make sure whether I am correct or not in this independent clause principle. I would appreciate any thoughts about that.

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(E) Because its crust is more like a pie crust than a traditional pizza-style flatbread, "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza must have its crust baked alone before toppings are added, and so takes longer than most other types of pizzas to prepare it.

Hi Crismore,

You can read that part of the sentence like this:
1. "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza (a) must have its crust baked alone before toppings are added, and so (b) takes longer than most other types of pizzas to prepare it. ← And so should be read as and therefore.
or

"Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza
(a) must have its crust baked alone
and so
(b) takes longer... to prepare it

Both (a) and (b) are verb phrases.
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Re: "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza must have its crust, which resembles a [#permalink] New post   08 Jul 2023, 09:52
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Crismore wrote:
Hello,

I agree with the correct answer choice. Still I am a bit curious about answer E. I discarded this answer choice because for me I considered the last clause of that answer choice (bolded) an independent clause, and there should be a noun or pronoun between the "so" and "takes". I know that there are other issues with this answer choice, but I just want to make sure whether I am correct or not in this independent clause principle. I would appreciate any thoughts about that.

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(E) Because its crust is more like a pie crust than a traditional pizza-style flatbread, "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza must have its crust baked alone before toppings are added, and so takes longer than most other types of pizzas to prepare it.

Hi Crismore,

You can read that part of the sentence like this:
1. "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza (a) must have its crust baked alone before toppings are added, and so (b) takes longer than most other types of pizzas to prepare it. ← And so should be read as and therefore.
or

"Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza
(a) must have its crust baked alone
and so
(b) takes longer... to prepare it

Both (a) and (b) are verb phrases.


Thanks AjiteshArun

So these two parts are instead in a parallelism right? I thought when we see a "comma + conjunction" it was a sign that an independent clause was coming, and therfore there should be a noun or pronoun as the main subject of this new independent sentence. I'll be very grateful If you have any thoughts or examples to understand better this concept that seems that I need to strengthen.

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Re: "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza must have its crust, which resembles a [#permalink] New post   08 Jul 2023, 10:34
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Crismore wrote:
Hello,

I agree with the correct answer choice. Still I am a bit curious about answer E. I discarded this answer choice because for me I considered the last clause of that answer choice (bolded) an independent clause, and there should be a noun or pronoun between the "so" and "takes". I know that there are other issues with this answer choice, but I just want to make sure whether I am correct or not in this independent clause principle. I would appreciate any thoughts about that.

Cristhian

(E) Because its crust is more like a pie crust than a traditional pizza-style flatbread, "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza must have its crust baked alone before toppings are added, and so takes longer than most other types of pizzas to prepare it.

Hi Crismore,

You can read that part of the sentence like this:
1. "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza (a) must have its crust baked alone before toppings are added, and so (b) takes longer than most other types of pizzas to prepare it. ← And so should be read as and therefore.
or

"Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza
(a) must have its crust baked alone
and so
(b) takes longer... to prepare it

Both (a) and (b) are verb phrases.


Thanks AjiteshArun

So these two parts are instead in a parallelism right? I thought when we see a "comma + conjunction" it was a sign that an independent clause was coming, and therfore there should be a noun or pronoun as the main subject of this new independent sentence. I'll be very grateful If you have any thoughts or examples to understand better this concept that seems that I need to strengthen.

Cristhian


Grammar aside, E also suffers from a very strange meaning - the sentence starts with "Because its crust rembles..." implying that the reason it must take longer to prepare is because the crust resembles pie crust. This is not the case, it takes longer to prepare because the crust must be baked separatley, not because the crust resembles pie crust.

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Thanks AjiteshArun

So these two parts are instead in a parallelism right? I thought when we see a "comma + conjunction" it was a sign that an independent clause was coming, and therfore there should be a noun or pronoun as the main subject of this new independent sentence. I'll be very grateful If you have any thoughts or examples to understand better this concept that seems that I need to strengthen.

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Hi Crismore,

Those are some really good questions. Let's start with what's happening behind the scenes (point 1):

1. Sentences (1a) and (1b) are the same.

1a. {sub1} {verb1} and {verb2}.
is the same as
1b. {sub1} {verb1} and {sub1} {verb2}.

All that's happening here is that content that is common to both elements joined by the and is being removed ({sub1} is common to both). Basically, (1a) is a reduced form of (1b). Although in some cases we may prefer the longer version, this is generally a good thing, as it makes the sentence shorter and simpler.

2. To answer your first question, yes, you can absolutely look a this as a list of two verbs.

3. As for your second question, I know where you're coming from on this, as that "rule" has gained a lot of traction on GMAT Club. However, that "rule" really isn't all that reliable. A ", and" between two elements doesn't necessarily mean that those two elements must be independent clauses. Go through this official question, and then take a look at the correct option:

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A newly developed jumbo rocket will be able to deliver a heavier load of instruments into orbit than the space shuttle can, and at a lower cost.

The problem with punctuation is that there are very few absolutes, very few rules that we can apply with confidence. This is why I generally advise my students not to prioritise calls based on punctuation.

You could also go through this video. The discussion on punctuation starts at around 1H:25.

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Re: "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza must have its crust, which resembles a [#permalink] New post   11 Jul 2023, 17:49
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Crismore wrote:
Thanks AjiteshArun

So these two parts are instead in a parallelism right? I thought when we see a "comma + conjunction" it was a sign that an independent clause was coming, and therfore there should be a noun or pronoun as the main subject of this new independent sentence. I'll be very grateful If you have any thoughts or examples to understand better this concept that seems that I need to strengthen.

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Hi Crismore,

Those are some really good questions. Let's start with what's happening behind the scenes (point 1):

1. Sentences (1a) and (1b) are the same.

1a. {sub1} {verb1} and {verb2}.
is the same as
1b. {sub1} {verb1} and {sub1} {verb2}.

All that's happening here is that content that is common to both elements joined by the and is being removed ({sub1} is common to both). Basically, (1a) is a reduced form of (1b). Although in some cases we may prefer the longer version, this is generally a good thing, as it makes the sentence shorter and simpler.

2. To answer your first question, yes, you can absolutely look a this as a list of two verbs.

3. As for your second question, I know where you're coming from on this, as that "rule" has gained a lot of traction on GMAT Club. However, that "rule" really isn't all that reliable. A ", and" between two elements doesn't necessarily mean that those two elements must be independent clauses. Go through this official question, and then take a look at the correct option:

Show Spoiler
A newly developed jumbo rocket will be able to deliver a heavier load of instruments into orbit than the space shuttle can, and at a lower cost.

The problem with punctuation is that there are very few absolutes, very few rules that we can apply with confidence. This is why I generally advise my students not to prioritise calls based on punctuation.

You could also go through this video. The discussion on punctuation starts at around 1H:25.



Thanks AjiteshArun for the explanation. The issue is clearer now to me. Thank you so much!!
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Crismore wrote:
Crismore wrote:
Hello,

I agree with the correct answer choice. Still I am a bit curious about answer E. I discarded this answer choice because for me I considered the last clause of that answer choice (bolded) an independent clause, and there should be a noun or pronoun between the "so" and "takes". I know that there are other issues with this answer choice, but I just want to make sure whether I am correct or not in this independent clause principle. I would appreciate any thoughts about that.

Cristhian

(E) Because its crust is more like a pie crust than a traditional pizza-style flatbread, "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza must have its crust baked alone before toppings are added, and so takes longer than most other types of pizzas to prepare it.

Hi Crismore,

You can read that part of the sentence like this:
1. "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza (a) must have its crust baked alone before toppings are added, and so (b) takes longer than most other types of pizzas to prepare it. ← And so should be read as and therefore.
or

"Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza
(a) must have its crust baked alone
and so
(b) takes longer... to prepare it

Both (a) and (b) are verb phrases.


Thanks AjiteshArun

So these two parts are instead in a parallelism right? I thought when we see a "comma + conjunction" it was a sign that an independent clause was coming, and therfore there should be a noun or pronoun as the main subject of this new independent sentence. I'll be very grateful If you have any thoughts or examples to understand better this concept that seems that I need to strengthen.

Cristhian


Grammar aside, E also suffers from a very strange meaning - the sentence starts with "Because its crust rembles..." implying that the reason it must take longer to prepare is because the crust resembles pie crust. This is not the case, it takes longer to prepare because the crust must be baked separatley, not because the crust resembles pie crust.

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Thanks mysterymanrog for your response!
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Re: "Chicago-style" deep-dish pizza must have its crust, which resembles a [#permalink] New post   24 Nov 2023, 05:51
Hey guys,

Why is it "have" and not "has" please?
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Why is it "have" and not "has" please?

Hi Di77,

That's because there's a must before have. After must, we can use only the plain form, have.

1. It has...
2. It must has...
3. It must have...
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Thanks! It sounded right but I didn't know why. Are there any additional words like that?
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Thanks! It sounded right but I didn't know why. Are there any additional words like that?

Yes. Can, may, might, could/should/would, shall (there may be more). Generally speaking, if you see a helping verb, either the helping verb will change form or the verb will remain the same.
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