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Due to the fact that Greg wrecked his family's station wagon during a road trip last summer, he has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive his father's car
A.has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive.
B.has not been allowed to drive and probably never will be allowed to drive.
C.has not and probably never would be allowed to drive.
D.has not and probably will never be allowed to drive.
E.has not and probably never will be allowed to drive.

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Due to the fact that Greg wrecked his family's station wagon during a road trip last summer, he has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive his father's car.

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The only error in this sentence is the verb tense error. Use of “would’ is incorrect here. Conditional “would” is used when the sentence talks about a hypothetical situation, an assumption or any expectation about the future as all these three conditions involve uncertainty. For example: The investors are expecting that the market would improve in the next couple of days.
Use of “would” is correct here because the sentence talks about the expectation of the investors. It is not sure whether the market will really improve or not. Due to the uncertainty of a future event, use of “would” is correct.
In this sentence, it is almost certain that Greg will never be allowed to drive his father’s car in the future. I say almost only because of the presence of “probably” in the sentence. Use of “would” is incorrect here because there is no uncertainty about the fact whether Greg will be allowed to drive his father’s car or not. There is no hypothetical situation here, no assumption and not even any kind of expectation involved in this sentence.

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A: Wrong as discussed.

B: Correct answer. This answer choice uses the correct verb tense as well as the correct parallel structure. Notice that the use of “never” before “will be allowed” is absolutely correct. “never” is an adverb that modifies the verb “will be allowed”. So it is correct to place it before “will be allowed”.

C: Wrong.
i. Same verb tense error as in A.
ii. “has not be allowed to drive” is ungrammatical.

D: Wrong. Same error as in C.

E: Wrong: Same error as in C.

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1. Use conditional "would" only when the sentence talks about a hypothetical situation, an expectation about the future or an assumption.
2. The entities in a parallel list must be grammatically as well as logically parallel.
3. The words that are not "repeated" in the sentence must be present in the sentence somewhere in its original form and must not make the sentence ungrammatical.

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2. Level 1 - Parallelism - Identify and Correct
3. Level 1 - Parallelism - Helpful Tips

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Due to the fact that Greg wrecked his family's station wagon during a road trip last summer, he has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive his father's car
A.has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive.
B.has not been allowed to drive and probably never will be allowed to drive.
C.has not and probably never would be allowed to drive.
D.has not and probably will never be allowed to drive.
E.has not and probably never will be allowed to drive.

Please explaing the solution.


Only A and B make parallel senses. However, in choice A, I do not prefer with the tense here. Tense in choice B is more preferable. This point, I agree totally with fluke. Besides, another point, I remember some book says that "if you want to change the tense of the same action, you have to write it again in full version". The placement of "never" is acceptable.

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Are you sure that the OA is B??
coz i striked off B becuase of its redundancy..I marked D as the answer.
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Got Confused between D and E. Can someone clarify why D/E is wrong?
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prashantbacchewar wrote:
Due to the fact that Greg wrecked his family's station wagon during a road trip last summer, he has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive his father's car
A.has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive.
B.has not been allowed to drive and probably never will be allowed to drive.
C.has not and probably never would be allowed to drive.
D.has not and probably will never be allowed to drive.
E.has not and probably never will be allowed to drive.

Please explaing the solution.


The SC question is checking ||sm. The answer option should make "he XXXX || YYYY"
Only (B) maintains this ||sm.
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I doubt the OA .
B.has not been allowed to drive and probably never will be allowed to drive.
The correct word order should be will never be allowed
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Yes the OA is correct.
I chose A. A careless mistake :(

The split is between "has not" and "has not been". The "been" is required here. So C, D and E are out.

Between A and B, although B is wordier, B has the correct tense ("will" is correct. "would" is not correct in this sentence).
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Between A and B I chose A on redundancy base,now I understand why it is B.
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Can't we use the word "would" here??
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prashantbacchewar wrote:
Due to the fact that Greg wrecked his family's station wagon during a road trip last summer, he has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive his father's car

Answer lies in how well we separate common from the parallel list.

A.has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive.
He has not been (allowed to drive his father's car-- Talks about the time since the accident until the present.)
and
probably never would be allowed to drive his father's car. --Was supposed to talk about the time from the present to the future, so "would" is wrong.


B.has not been allowed to drive and probably never will be allowed to drive.
He has not:
been allowed to drive-- been allowed
AND
(probably never) will be allowed to drive.--will be allowed.
Correct.

C.has not and probably never would be allowed to drive.
He has not (be allowed)
AND
never would.
Not parallel. Tenses are wrong. Construction awkward.


D.has not and probably will never be allowed to drive.
He has not BE allowed(BE doesn't suit the tense)
AND
will never be allowed.


E.has not and probably never will be allowed to drive.
He has not BE allowed. wrong
He has not allowed. wrong


Please explaing the solution.


Ans: "B"


Thank you for the explaination. For some reason my mind did not realize that "and" will also make the ending statements parallel, which makes "has not be" a no brainer to cancel.
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Due to the fact that Greg wrecked his family's station wagon during a road trip last summer, he has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive his father's car.

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The only error in this sentence is the verb tense error. Use of “would’ is incorrect here. Conditional “would” is used when the sentence talks about a hypothetical situation, an assumption or any expectation about the future as all these three conditions involve uncertainty. For example: The investors are expecting that the market would improve in the next couple of days.
Use of “would” is correct here because the sentence talks about the expectation of the investors. It is not sure whether the market will really improve or not. Due to the uncertainty of a future event, use of “would” is correct.
In this sentence, it is almost certain that Greg will never be allowed to drive his father’s car in the future. I say almost only because of the presence of “probably” in the sentence. Use of “would” is incorrect here because there is no uncertainty about the fact whether Greg will be allowed to drive his father’s car or not. There is no hypothetical situation here, no assumption and not even any kind of expectation involved in this sentence.

POE:

A: Wrong as discussed.

B: Correct answer. This answer choice uses the correct verb tense as well as the correct parallel structure. Notice that the use of “never” before “will be allowed” is absolutely correct. “never” is an adverb that modifies the verb “will be allowed”. So it is correct to place it before “will be allowed”.

C: Wrong.
i. Same verb tense error as in A.
ii. “has not be allowed to drive” is ungrammatical.

D: Wrong. Same error as in C.

E: Wrong: Same error as in C.

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1. Use conditional "would" only when the sentence talks about a hypothetical situation, an expectation about the future or an assumption.
2. The entities in a parallel list must be grammatically as well as logically parallel.
3. The words that are not "repeated" in the sentence must be present in the sentence somewhere in its original form and must not make the sentence ungrammatical.

The concepts covered in this sentence have been covered in e-gmat concepts:
1. Level 2 - Conditional "Would"
2. Level 1 - Parallelism - Identify and Correct
3. Level 1 - Parallelism - Helpful Tips

Thanks.
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Hi Shraddha,

Sorry but I do not agree with your explanation. The use of 'probably' is clearly a hypothetical stance and precisely the reason why A should not be the answer as we need 'would instead of will. B should be the correct answer.
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Due to the fact that Greg wrecked his family's station wagon during a road trip last summer, he has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive his father's car.

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The only error in this sentence is the verb tense error. Use of “would’ is incorrect here. Conditional “would” is used when the sentence talks about a hypothetical situation, an assumption or any expectation about the future as all these three conditions involve uncertainty. For example: The investors are expecting that the market would improve in the next couple of days.
Use of “would” is correct here because the sentence talks about the expectation of the investors. It is not sure whether the market will really improve or not. Due to the uncertainty of a future event, use of “would” is correct.
In this sentence, it is almost certain that Greg will never be allowed to drive his father’s car in the future. I say almost only because of the presence of “probably” in the sentence. Use of “would” is incorrect here because there is no uncertainty about the fact whether Greg will be allowed to drive his father’s car or not. There is no hypothetical situation here, no assumption and not even any kind of expectation involved in this sentence.

POE:

A: Wrong as discussed.

B: Correct answer. This answer choice uses the correct verb tense as well as the correct parallel structure. Notice that the use of “never” before “will be allowed” is absolutely correct. “never” is an adverb that modifies the verb “will be allowed”. So it is correct to place it before “will be allowed”.

C: Wrong.
i. Same verb tense error as in A.
ii. “has not be allowed to drive” is ungrammatical.

D: Wrong. Same error as in C.

E: Wrong: Same error as in C.

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1. Use conditional "would" only when the sentence talks about a hypothetical situation, an expectation about the future or an assumption.
2. The entities in a parallel list must be grammatically as well as logically parallel.
3. The words that are not "repeated" in the sentence must be present in the sentence somewhere in its original form and must not make the sentence ungrammatical.

The concepts covered in this sentence have been covered in e-gmat concepts:
1. Level 2 - Conditional "Would"
2. Level 1 - Parallelism - Identify and Correct
3. Level 1 - Parallelism - Helpful Tips

Thanks.
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Hi Shraddha,

Sorry but I do not agree with your explanation. The use of 'probably' is clearly a hypothetical stance and precisely the reason why A should not be the answer as we need 'would instead of will. B should be the correct answer.


You are probably taking "uncertain" situations for "hypothetical" situations. "Hypothetical" means "imaginary" or "unreal". We use "would" for "unreal" or "imaginary" situations.

The word "probably" implies an "uncertain" situation, not an "unreal" or "imaginary" (or "hypothetical") situation. Therefore "probably will" is alright.

Another example: The first sentence of this post is "You are probably taking". I am expressing something with which I am uncertain, not something "imaginary". Therfore I have used a present continuous tense since the action is happening at this moment - If I wanted to express a future event, I would use "You will probably take".

Now look at my last sentence, I used hypothetical " I would use" - why?.. because I am expressing an unreal event. I will not express a future event - the effect of an unlikely event is also hypothetical - an imaginary or unreal situation; therefore I used "would" in my last sentence.
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Due to the fact that Greg wrecked his family's station wagon during a road trip last summer, he has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive his father's car
A.has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive.
B.has not been allowed to drive and probably never will be allowed to drive. has independent clause before and after AND.
C.has not and probably never would be allowed to drive.
D.has not and probably will never be allowed to drive.
E.has not and probably never will be allowed to drive.
Independent clause is not present before AND, hence A, C, D and E are incorrect. Is my reasoning correct?
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prashantbacchewar wrote:
Due to the fact that Greg wrecked his family's station wagon during a road trip last summer, he has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive his father's car
A.has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive.
B.has not been allowed to drive and probably never will be allowed to drive.
C.has not and probably never would be allowed to drive.
D.has not and probably will never be allowed to drive.
E.has not and probably never will be allowed to drive.

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We know that its between A and B

C says- has not and probably never would be allowed to drive.=has not be allowed to drive + never would be allowed to drive---1st break is awkward.
D has the same break and the same error as C
E has same error as C

A is wrong because of redundancy---has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive-- you are probable here and also you used would here ->probable and would will not go together.
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Due to the fact that Greg wrecked his family's station wagon during a road trip last summer, he has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive his father's car
A.has not been and probably never would be allowed to drive.
B.has not been allowed to drive and probably never will be allowed to drive. has independent clause before and after AND.
C.has not and probably never would be allowed to drive.
D.has not and probably will never be allowed to drive.
E.has not and probably never will be allowed to drive.
Independent clause is not present before AND, hence A, C, D and E are incorrect. Is my reasoning correct?


One does not always require an independent clause before "and". In this example "and" connects two verbs (and not two independent clauses); hence it does not require an independent clause before it. (I sing and play...correct - two verbs are joined... no independent clause before "and")
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For example: The investors are expecting that the market would improve in the next couple of days.
This is not imaginary situation but still it is OK to use would! sayantanc2k
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