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# Ellipses in Comparisons

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03 Sep 2017, 23:34
I understand that we can omit words till it becomes ambiguous, but can you give me the proper explanation for not omitting words even when it's not ambiguous?

Eg:
ST1: The practice took in 500\$ more in revenue than it did last year. (EMPOWER GMAT)

Why is the above sentence wrong when the [it did] does not exist? (ST2: The practice took in 500\$ more in revenue than last year).

I can feel that it's wrong, but I need a proper methodical approach to tackle the ellipses.

Also this,

ST3: With winter coming, I will have higher bills than last year. (Manhattan SC Guide). How is this correct?

Are all ST1, ST2 and ST3 correct?

I hope you can see my confusion.

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04 Sep 2017, 00:05
DIII wrote:
I understand that we can omit words till it becomes ambiguous, but can you give me the proper explanation for not omitting words even when it's not ambiguous?

Eg:
ST1: The practice took in 500\$ more in revenue than it did last year. (EMPOWER GMAT)

Why is the above sentence wrong when the [it did] does not exist? (ST2: The practice took in 500\$ more in revenue than last year).

I can feel that it's wrong, but I need a proper methodical approach to tackle the ellipses.

Also this,

ST3: With winter coming, I will have higher bills than last year. (Manhattan SC Guide). How is this correct?

Are all ST1, ST2 and ST3 correct?

I hope you can see my confusion.

Thank you.

You can check https://gmatclub.com/forum/how-far-ellipsis-is-permissible-in-comparison-148973.html

Wonderful explanation from E-GMAT.
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04 Sep 2017, 00:55
septwibowo wrote:
DIII wrote:
I understand that we can omit words till it becomes ambiguous, but can you give me the proper explanation for not omitting words even when it's not ambiguous?

Eg:
ST1: The practice took in 500\$ more in revenue than it did last year. (EMPOWER GMAT)

Why is the above sentence wrong when the [it did] does not exist? (ST2: The practice took in 500\$ more in revenue than last year).

I can feel that it's wrong, but I need a proper methodical approach to tackle the ellipses.

Also this,

ST3: With winter coming, I will have higher bills than last year. (Manhattan SC Guide). How is this correct?

Are all ST1, ST2 and ST3 correct?

I hope you can see my confusion.

Thank you.

You can check https://gmatclub.com/forum/how-far-ellipsis-is-permissible-in-comparison-148973.html

Wonderful explanation from E-GMAT.

I have already read that, I Understand that ambiguity creates problem, but what if the sentence is not ambiguous like the sentence above? and also see the manhattan and empower examples.
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04 Sep 2017, 01:52
DIII wrote:
have already read that, I Understand that ambiguity creates problem, but what if the sentence is not ambiguous like the sentence above? and also see the manhattan and empower examples.

I see.

Well, I'm not an expert, but will try to answer it based on my GMAT experiences.
Do we have ST1 and ST2 in the answer choices? If that is the case, so ST1 better than ST2, not necessarily that ST2 is wrong.

My point is, do we have another best option among the answer choices?
Sometimes I feel that the correct answer is not 100% satisfying answer, but it must be the best answer among all.

Just my 2 cents, good luck for our GMAT!
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05 Sep 2017, 22:29
DIII wrote:
ST1: The practice took in 500\$ more in revenue than it did last year. (EMPOWER GMAT)

Why is the above sentence wrong when the [it did] does not exist?

Hi DIII, are you sure ST1 is marked incorrect here? What is the explanation provided?
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05 Sep 2017, 22:59
EducationAisle wrote:
DIII wrote:
ST1: The practice took in 500\$ more in revenue than it did last year. (EMPOWER GMAT)

Why is the above sentence wrong when the [it did] does not exist?

Hi DIII, are you sure ST1 is marked incorrect here? What is the explanation provided?

ST1 is correct, but ST2(ST1 without the "it did") is said wrong, due to wrong comparison.
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06 Sep 2017, 06:56
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Actually in ST2, since there is no verb explicitly mentioned after than, one would expect an explicit time indicator on the LHS of than (to match with the time indicator last year on the RHS of than).

So, following would be correct:

The practice took in 500\$ more in revenue this year than last year.
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07 Sep 2017, 12:58
DIII wrote:
I understand that we can omit words till it becomes ambiguous, but can you give me the proper explanation for not omitting words even when it's not ambiguous?

Eg:
(ST2: The practice took in 500\$ more in revenue than last year).

The GMAT would claim that this is 'ambiguous'. (Which is fairly silly, in my opinion, since you and I both understand what the sentence is trying to communicate.) The problem is that you could read it as a comparison between a noun 'revenue' and a noun phrase 'last year', which is a nonsensical comparison. In other words, they say you could read it as being the same as this sentence:

I made 10\$ more per hour from my day job than my evening job.
The practice took in 500\$ more in revenue than last year.

Or, you could technically read it as a comparison between 'the practice' and 'last year':

John made 500\$ more in tips than Miriam.
The practice took in 500\$ more in revenue than last year.

In order to make it totally clear that you don't want the sentence to be read in those ways, you have to add in a few words ('it did'). That clarifies that you're comparing the amount that was made, not the year itself.

This is based on a problem from the Official Guide, by the way.
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07 Sep 2017, 21:01
ccooley wrote:
DIII wrote:
I understand that we can omit words till it becomes ambiguous, but can you give me the proper explanation for not omitting words even when it's not ambiguous?

Eg:
(ST2: The practice took in 500\$ more in revenue than last year).

The GMAT would claim that this is 'ambiguous'. (Which is fairly silly, in my opinion, since you and I both understand what the sentence is trying to communicate.) The problem is that you could read it as a comparison between a noun 'revenue' and a noun phrase 'last year', which is a nonsensical comparison. In other words, they say you could read it as being the same as this sentence:

I made 10\$ more per hour from my day job than my evening job.
The practice took in 500\$ more in revenue than last year.

Or, you could technically read it as a comparison between 'the practice' and 'last year':

John made 500\$ more in tips than Miriam.
The practice took in 500\$ more in revenue than last year.

In order to make it totally clear that you don't want the sentence to be read in those ways, you have to add in a few words ('it did'). That clarifies that you're comparing the amount that was made, not the year itself.

This is based on a problem from the Official Guide, by the way.

Thank you, makes sense.
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10 Sep 2017, 11:12
Extending the topic, I wanted to post another query.

ST1: The books at this shop are much more interesting than any other shop.

ST2: This shop has more books than any other shop.

As per my understanding of omitting words, I think ST1 is wrong (because of the wrong comparison) and ST2 is correct.

What do you say?
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13 Sep 2017, 08:32
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DIII wrote:
Extending the topic, I wanted to post another query.

ST1: The books at this shop are much more interesting than any other shop.

ST2: This shop has more books than any other shop.

As per my understanding of omitting words, I think ST1 is wrong (because of the wrong comparison) and ST2 is correct.

What do you say?

You're correct. ST1 is wrong because it is comparing the books to "any other shop": The books...are...than any other shop.
ST2 is correct because it is comparing shop to shop: This shop...than any other shop
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