GMAT Question of the Day: Daily via email | Daily via Instagram New to GMAT Club? Watch this Video

It is currently 01 Apr 2020, 04:27

Close

GMAT Club Daily Prep

Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized
for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track
Your Progress

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice
Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Not interested in getting valuable practice questions and articles delivered to your email? No problem, unsubscribe here.

Close

Request Expert Reply

Confirm Cancel

HEC Paris vs Cambridge Judge

  new topic post reply Update application status  

HEC Paris or Cambridge Judge?

  • 46% [12]
  • 53% [14]
Author Message
TAGS:

Hide Tags

Find Similar Topics 
Intern
Intern
avatar
B
Joined: 02 Sep 2018
Posts: 9
Location: United States
GMAT 1: 710 Q45 V41
GPA: 3.25
HEC Paris vs Cambridge Judge  [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post Updated on: 09 Jan 2020, 10:36
1
Hi guys,

My SO and I have both been accepted to both Cambridge Judge and HEC Paris. I am looking to get into entrepreneurship and they are interested in marketing.

We are open to work in either the UK, France, or elsewhere.

All things considered, which program would you recommend and why? If you have direct personal experience with either, I would enormously appreciate to hear your feedback.

EDIT:

Pros of Judge:
- Cohort is very active and excited
- Career service is fairly active
- College system and culture are exciting
- Cambridge is a cute town
- Cambridge is a very respected institution, and its name carries weight, even if HEC might be more respected among business-school ranks.
- Strong entrepreneurship focus (my interest)

Cons of Judge:
- Brexit uncertainty
- Lower salary than HEC (by roughly $25k)
- Not known for a strong marketing concentration (for my SO)
- Judge inhibits access to its alumni network due to GDPR


Pros of HEC Paris:
- Higher salary
- Higher ranked business school
- Despite one poor marketing core course, is recognized for a strong marketing concentration
- Appears to open more doors to working in the EU than Judge (this is not clear if it is true)
- 16 months allows for more time to work on starting business (for me)

Cons of HEC Paris:
- It is in the middle of nowhere, quite far from Paris
- There is potential resentment from HEC Paris Grande Ecole students
- Speaking to recent alumni, heard of significant issues on the job market (need to have fluent French to work in France, some struggling to find jobs several months out) - however this appears to be contradicted by their employment report which has a higher % employed 3-months out than Judge
- Potentially limited access to alumni network due to GDPR (not verified)

Originally posted by roflpotamus on 13 Dec 2019, 07:53.
Last edited by roflpotamus on 09 Jan 2020, 10:36, edited 1 time in total.
HEC & IMD School Moderator
User avatar
P
Status: Preparing for GMAT
Joined: 16 Dec 2018
Posts: 831
Location: Italy
Concentration: Leadership, Operations
WE: Engineering (Manufacturing)
Re: HEC Paris vs Cambridge Judge  [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 14 Dec 2019, 00:14
Hi roflpotamus ..
Many congratulations to both of you. Both schools are great. I am in favor of HEC because it's placements are in every function/industry. 16 months are perfect to try something new and think of another industry. MBA projects and clubs can also help. Judge is good for tech and entrepreneurship but do not underestimate HEC. HEC also promote entrepreneurship. You will see HEC in top of the rankings. Check out HERE. It's normal that you will get more jobs/networking in UK from Judge. The probability of ending up in same country will be more from Judge than HEC.
roflpotamus wrote:
Hi guys,

My SO and I have both been accepted to both Cambridge Judge and HEC Paris. I am looking to get into entrepreneurship and they are interested in marketing.

We are open to work in either the UK, France, or elsewhere.

All things considered, which program would you recommend and why? If you have direct personal experience with either, I would enormously appreciate to hear your feedback.

_________________
Intern
Intern
avatar
B
Joined: 02 Sep 2018
Posts: 9
Location: United States
GMAT 1: 710 Q45 V41
GPA: 3.25
Re: HEC Paris vs Cambridge Judge  [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 17 Dec 2019, 06:49
I appreciate your insight Leadership.

I'm bumping this seeking more input from people.

Also, does anyone know when Cambridge releases information in regards to scholarship determinations?
Intern
Intern
avatar
B
Joined: 02 Sep 2018
Posts: 9
Location: United States
GMAT 1: 710 Q45 V41
GPA: 3.25
Re: HEC Paris vs Cambridge Judge  [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 30 Dec 2019, 11:18
Hi all.

Cambridge Judge salary appears to be roughly $126k and HEC Paris around $126-144k. However, per Forbes, the salary for Judge students four years out is $188k as opposed to HEC's $144k. I am tempted to believe this is an anomaly or misreported data - but is it?

With a broad projection, will a student going to Judge experience that much more salary growth than a student that goes to HEC Paris?
Intern
Intern
avatar
B
Joined: 02 Sep 2018
Posts: 9
Location: United States
GMAT 1: 710 Q45 V41
GPA: 3.25
Re: HEC Paris vs Cambridge Judge  [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 02 Jan 2020, 10:57
In regards to the figures:
Cambridge Judge:
https://www.jbs.cam.ac.uk/programmes/mb ... /salaries/ (mean ~$92k salary and $126k package)

https://www.forbes.com/colleges/univers ... 6172f68d42 (median $89k salary and $106k package; $183k salary in 2018 for the class of 2014 - four years out)

https://www.emolument.com/salary-report ... hool/13653 (average salary $133k)

https://gmatclub.com/forum/all-school-s ... 66143.html (average salary $114k)



HEC Paris:
https://contents.hec.edu/s3fs-public/20 ... inal_0.pdf (mean $121k salary package; median $112k salary package. What is a salary package - does it include both sign-on and performance bonuses? Are the figures on the right solely salary figures or are those salary with bonuses included?)

https://www.forbes.com/colleges/hec-paris/#1f8141bc70c0 (median salary $127k and $156 package; $145k salary in 2018 for the class of 2014 - four years out).

https://www.emolument.com/salary-report ... aris/13860 (average salary $116k)

https://gmatclub.com/forum/all-school-s ... 66143.html (average salary $121k)

Embedded in these figures is a confusing story - both Cambridge Judge and HEC Paris appear to have wildly different salaries and packages based on the source. In addition, I have struggled to find any consistent information on average salaries three or more years out.
Manager
Manager
avatar
B
Joined: 21 Oct 2014
Posts: 84
Concentration: General Management, International Business
GMAT 1: 700 Q49 V37
WE: Business Development (Computer Software)
Re: HEC Paris vs Cambridge Judge  [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 09 Jan 2020, 04:01
1
Do you have a EU passport? If not, you should take that into consideration.

France allows you to stay for 1 year after graduation but you are not allowed to work, whereas the UK gives you a 1 year visa to work there. As both schools don't have the same reach that INSEAD & LBS have, it might be an important factor, as going to Judge will let you stay working for a year and let you try for example a startup, while delaying the sponsorship for a year.

If you're gunning for IB/MBB the above point becomes irrelevant, then I'd consider the network. It's my bias perhaps, but for me HEC is a tier above Judge (not Cambridge) in terms of reputation and student caliber, so I'd go for it if the Visa is not an issue.

Hope it helps!

----EDIT----

Another factor is Brexit, with HEC's program duration you might end up in a sticky situation when finishing your program if indeed the UK is successful in leaving, so I guess that is a potential point for Judge. I don't think that changes my view, but would keep it in mind.
Intern
Intern
avatar
B
Joined: 02 Sep 2018
Posts: 9
Location: United States
GMAT 1: 710 Q45 V41
GPA: 3.25
Re: HEC Paris vs Cambridge Judge  [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 09 Jan 2020, 08:50
Hi rtbs15, I have an EU passport. I do not have a UK passport.

I also have hunted down details on the HEC Paris and Cambridge Judge employment reports and have found the HEC Paris salaries to be significantly higher. This surprises me considering how much people have talked about how depressed French salaries are, even to UK.

Pros of Judge:
- Cohort is very active and excited
- Career service is fairly active
- College system and culture are exciting
- Cambridge is a cute town
- Cambridge is a very respected institution, and its name carries weight, even if HEC might be more respected among business-school ranks.
- Strong entrepreneurship focus (my interest)

Cons of Judge:
- Brexit uncertainty
- Lower salary than HEC (by roughly $25k)
- Not known for a strong marketing concentration (for my SO)
- Judge inhibits access to its alumni network due to GDPR


Pros of HEC Paris:
- Higher salary
- Higher ranked business school
- Despite one poor marketing core course, is recognized for a strong marketing concentration
- Appears to open more doors to working in the EU than Judge (this is not clear if it is true)
- 16 months allows for more time to work on starting business (for me)

Cons of HEC Paris:
- It is in the middle of nowhere, quite far from Paris
- There is potential resentment from HEC Paris Grande Ecole students
- Speaking to recent alumni, heard of significant issues on the job market (need to have fluent French to work in France, some struggling to find jobs several months out) - however this appears to be contradicted by their employment report which has a higher % employed 3-months out than Judge
- Potentially limited access to alumni network due to GDPR (not verified)
Manager
Manager
avatar
B
Joined: 21 Oct 2014
Posts: 84
Concentration: General Management, International Business
GMAT 1: 700 Q49 V37
WE: Business Development (Computer Software)
Re: HEC Paris vs Cambridge Judge  [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 10 Jan 2020, 04:47
1
roflpotamus wrote:
Hi rtbs15, I have an EU passport. I do not have a UK passport.

I also have hunted down details on the HEC Paris and Cambridge Judge employment reports and have found the HEC Paris salaries to be significantly higher. This surprises me considering how much people have talked about how depressed French salaries are, even to UK.

Pros of Judge:
- Cohort is very active and excited
- Career service is fairly active
- College system and culture are exciting
- Cambridge is a cute town
- Cambridge is a very respected institution, and its name carries weight, even if HEC might be more respected among business-school ranks.
- Strong entrepreneurship focus (my interest)

Cons of Judge:
- Brexit uncertainty
- Lower salary than HEC (by roughly $25k)
- Not known for a strong marketing concentration (for my SO)
- Judge inhibits access to its alumni network due to GDPR


Pros of HEC Paris:
- Higher salary
- Higher ranked business school
- Despite one poor marketing core course, is recognized for a strong marketing concentration
- Appears to open more doors to working in the EU than Judge (this is not clear if it is true)
- 16 months allows for more time to work on starting business (for me)

Cons of HEC Paris:
- It is in the middle of nowhere, quite far from Paris
- There is potential resentment from HEC Paris Grande Ecole students
- Speaking to recent alumni, heard of significant issues on the job market (need to have fluent French to work in France, some struggling to find jobs several months out) - however this appears to be contradicted by their employment report which has a higher % employed 3-months out than Judge
- Potentially limited access to alumni network due to GDPR (not verified)


Salaries for HEC illustrates the point of broader reach for me, more international, grads leave to more markets than Judge, and americans go back to their countries pumping salaries up.

Sorry for not being specific, thought the language was a given. You'll need to speak french to work in France, and german in Germany except Berlin, same for Spain and Italy. If you're not interested in learning another language, I'd say that your realistic options will be UK, Amsterdam and the Nordics. Going back to the original questions, it does SEEM that Judge is "greener" than HEC, and the class is a level lower. I haven't reviewed any of the schools when I was applying therefore take this from an uninformed person, but I never came across a Judge person after school, a bit more from HEC.

I'd personally go for HEC, but I'd wait to see what happens with Brexit in the next few weeks, and make an informed guess on how long will the limbo be. The worst case scenario is that you graduate in Dec 2021, UK is out of EU, visas are scarce and you can't access one of the 3 realistic markets you have if you don't learn a new language.
Intern
Intern
avatar
Joined: 16 Nov 2019
Posts: 2
HEC Paris vs Cambridge Judge  [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 27 Jan 2020, 18:54
roflpotamus wrote:
Hi, I have an EU passport. I do not have a UK passport.

I also have hunted down details on the HEC Paris and Cambridge Judge employment reports and have found the HEC Paris salaries to be significantly higher. This surprises me considering how much people have talked about how depressed French salaries are, even to UK.

Pros of Judge:
- Cohort is very active and excited
- Career service is fairly active
- College system and culture are exciting
- Cambridge is a cute town
- Cambridge is a very respected institution, and its name carries weight, even if HEC might be more respected among business-school ranks.
- Strong entrepreneurship focus (my interest)

Cons of Judge:
- Brexit uncertainty
- Lower salary than HEC (by roughly $25k)
- Not known for a strong marketing concentration (for my SO)
- Judge inhibits access to its alumni network due to GDPR


Pros of HEC Paris:
- Higher salary
- Higher ranked business school
- Despite one poor marketing core course, is recognized for a strong marketing concentration
- Appears to open more doors to working in the EU than Judge (this is not clear if it is true)
- 16 months allows for more time to work on starting business (for me)

Cons of HEC Paris:
- It is in the middle of nowhere, quite far from Paris
- There is potential resentment from HEC Paris Grande Ecole students
- Speaking to recent alumni, heard of significant issues on the job market (need to have fluent French to work in France, some struggling to find jobs several months out) - however this appears to be contradicted by their employment report which has a higher % employed 3-months out than Judge
- Potentially limited access to alumni network due to GDPR (not verified)



Honestly mate, I think you are overthinking this a bit. It's understandable, but at this point the question is do you wanna live in France or in the UK? Do you wanna learn French, do you wanna live in Paris? The other factor here is 12 mo. vs. 16 mo., no internship vs internship.

I think you are fooling yourself if you are trying to find major differences between the schools in terms of outcomes and reputations. Both HEC and Judge could be the right choices here, it depends on where you really want to go, and you won't find that out by going through every single statistic / conjecture of schools that have a similar status.

Also, I think there's some inaccurate info going around this thread. Salary changes depending on your source, and I think it is very questionable to claim that HEC has significantly higher salaries. If you look at the Forbes rankings for 2019 they also report salaries for the class of 2014 (so 5 years after graduation). HEC is @ $145k while Judge is @183k. I'm sure you could easily find other reputable sources with different outcomes.

Another poster mentioned a one year post-MBA visa in the UK - pretty sure that doesn't exist, they have announced that the 2 year visa will be coming back. I wouldn't really worry about Brexit, it matters at the macroeconomic level for the country as a whole but there's still going to be hundreds of thousands of job openings every year regardless, and you yourself only need one job. It's more up to you than to the economic situation of the country in my opinion.
GMAT Club Bot
HEC Paris vs Cambridge Judge   [#permalink] 27 Jan 2020, 18:54
Display posts from previous: Sort by

HEC Paris vs Cambridge Judge

  new topic post reply Update application status  

Moderators: billionaire, teleste






Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group | Emoji artwork provided by EmojiOne