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Re: If x and y are integer, what is the remainder when x^2 + y^2 [#permalink]

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If x and y are integer, what is the remainder when x^2 + y^2 is divided by 5?

(1) When x-y is divided by 5, the remainder is 1

(2) When x+y is divided by 5, the remainder is 2

hi,

let a and b and c are 3 arbitray integers.

and if ==>a/c==>remainder x and ===>b/c==>remainder is y

then ==>remainder of (a*b)/c=remainder of a*remainder of b ==>remainder of (a+b)/c=remainder of a+remainder of b ==>remainder of (a-b)/c=remainder of a-remainder of b

so using this clearly we can say that we need both the statement to solve this. hence C
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13 Nov 2015, 14:11

Bunuel wrote:

If x and y are integer, what is the remainder when x^2 + y^2 is divided by 5?

(1) When x-y is divided by 5, the remainder is 1 --> \(x-y=5q+1\), so \(x-y\) can be 1, 6, 11, ... Now, \(x=2\) and \(y=1\) (\(x-y=1\)) then \(x^2+y^2=5\) and thus the remainder is 0, but if \(x=3\) and \(y=2\) (\(x-y=1\)) then \(x^2+y^2=13\) and thus the remainder is 3. Not sufficient.

(2) When x+y is divided by 5, the remainder is 2 --> \(x+y=5p+2\), so \(x+y\) can be 2, 7, 12, ... Now, \(x=1\) and \(y=1\) (\(x+y=2\)) then \(x^2+y^2=2\) and thus the remainder is 2, but if \(x=5\) and \(y=2\) (\(x+y=7\)) then \(x^2+y^2=29\) and thus the remainder is 4. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Square both expressions: \(x^2-2xy+y^2=25q^2+10q+1\) and \(x^2+2xy+y^2=25p^2+20p+4\) --> add them up: \(2(x^2+y^2)=5(5q^2+2q+5p^2+4p+1)\) --> so \(2(x^2+y^2)\) is divisible by 5 (remainder 0), which means that so is \(x^2+y^2\). Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it's clear.

Question for Bunuel. Theoretically, could you have used only q or p to represent the qoutient in this example. Wouldn't they represent the same whole factor of times that 5 can go into each statement?

If x and y are integer, what is the remainder when x^2 + y^2 [#permalink]

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14 Dec 2015, 06:03

IMO this question is a walk in the park if we know the following rules:

You can always ignore the original number for remainder calculation. If you know a/n gives remainder p and b/n gives remainder of q then- i) remainder of (a+b)/n = remainder of (p+q)/n ii) remainder of (a-b)/n = remainder of (p-q)/n iii) remainder of (a^2+b^2)/n = remainder of (p^2+q^2)/n iv) remainder of (a^2-b^2)/n = remainder of (p^2-q^2)/n v) remainder of (a*b)/n = remainder of (p*q)/n vi) remainder of (a/b)/n = remainder of (p/q)/n . . . etc

But Im not quite sure about the accuracy of these rules.

So Moderators and Math Experts:

How do the above rules look neat or preposterous ?;) Any corrections, additions, exceptions? Thanks
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NoHalfMeasures wrote:

IMO this question is a walk in the park if we know the following rules:

You can always ignore the original number for remainder calculation. If you know a/n gives remainder p and b/n gives remainder of q then- i) remainder of (a+b)/n = remainder of (p+q)/n ii) remainder of (a-b)/n = remainder of (p-q)/n iii) remainder of (a^2+b^2)/n = remainder of (p^2+q^2)/n iv) remainder of (a^2-b^2)/n = remainder of (p^2-q^2)/n v) remainder of (a*b)/n = remainder of (p*q)/n vi) remainder of (a/b)/n = remainder of (p/q)/n . . . etc

But Im not quite sure about the accuracy of these rules.

So Moderators and Math Experts:

How do the above rules look neat or preposterous ?;) Any corrections, additions, exceptions? Thanks

The best way would be to check them yourself by following the method shown below for (1).

You are given the following ,

a=nA+p and b=nB+q

Thus, (a+b) = n(A+B) + p+q , or in other words, you will get a remainder of p+q when you divide a+b by n.

You can come up with similar relations based on method above. Additionally, you should not be remembering these relations and should be applying them as and when needed from first principles. Learning these obscure and not that common relations will only end up confusing you.

As we know that the divisor in this case is the same (i.e. 5) I assume we can multiply the different dividends and the remainders. In this way we can have the remainder (which is product of the two individual remainders) when x^2 - y^2 is divided by 5.

Once again: When (x^2 - y^2) / 5 the remainder is 2...

We can rewrite this as 5q + 2 = x^2 - y^2

Now I plugged in different values for q like 1,2,3,4

Now we can assume different values of x and y so that our total equals 7,12,17 and 22.

For the first case ( when x^2 - y^2 = 7) we can assume x^2=10 and y^2= 3 so when x^2 - y^2 = 7, then x^2 + y^2 = 10. In this case remainder will be 0 when x^2 + y^2 is divided by 5

For the second case ( when x^2 - y^2 = 12) we can assume x^2=15 and y^2= 3 so when x^2 - y^2 = 12, then x^2 + y^2 = 18. In this case remainder will be 3 when x^2 + y^2 is divided by 5

For the third case ( when x^2 - y^2 = 17) we can assume x^2=21 and y^2= 4 so when x^2 - y^2 = 17, then x^2 + y^2 = 25. In this case remainder will be 0 when x^2 + y^2 is divided by 5

For the fourth case ( when x^2 - y^2 = 22) we can assume x^2=25 and y^2= 3 so when x^2 - y^2 = 22, then x^2 + y^2 = 28. In this case remainder will be 3 when divided by 5

So we are not getting consistent remainders when x^2 + y^2 is divided by 5, aren't Statement 1 and 2 together also insufficient?

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18 Jun 2017, 12:32

Bunuel wrote:

If x and y are integer, what is the remainder when x^2 + y^2 is divided by 5?

(1) When x-y is divided by 5, the remainder is 1 --> \(x-y=5q+1\), so \(x-y\) can be 1, 6, 11, ... Now, \(x=2\) and \(y=1\) (\(x-y=1\)) then \(x^2+y^2=5\) and thus the remainder is 0, but if \(x=3\) and \(y=2\) (\(x-y=1\)) then \(x^2+y^2=13\) and thus the remainder is 3. Not sufficient.

(2) When x+y is divided by 5, the remainder is 2 --> \(x+y=5p+2\), so \(x+y\) can be 2, 7, 12, ... Now, \(x=1\) and \(y=1\) (\(x+y=2\)) then \(x^2+y^2=2\) and thus the remainder is 2, but if \(x=5\) and \(y=2\) (\(x+y=7\)) then \(x^2+y^2=29\) and thus the remainder is 4. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Square both expressions: \(x^2-2xy+y^2=25q^2+10q+1\) and \(x^2+2xy+y^2=25p^2+20p+4\) --> add them up: \(2(x^2+y^2)=5(5q^2+2q+5p^2+4p+1)\) --> so \(2(x^2+y^2)\) is divisible by 5 (remainder 0), which means that so is \(x^2+y^2\). Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it's clear.

as usual a very good explanation

but how do I recognise when I have square the terms ??
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16 Nov 2017, 16:06

Bunuel wrote:

If x and y are integer, what is the remainder when x^2 + y^2 is divided by 5?

(1) When x-y is divided by 5, the remainder is 1 --> \(x-y=5q+1\), so \(x-y\) can be 1, 6, 11, ... Now, \(x=2\) and \(y=1\) (\(x-y=1\)) then \(x^2+y^2=5\) and thus the remainder is 0, but if \(x=3\) and \(y=2\) (\(x-y=1\)) then \(x^2+y^2=13\) and thus the remainder is 3. Not sufficient.

(2) When x+y is divided by 5, the remainder is 2 --> \(x+y=5p+2\), so \(x+y\) can be 2, 7, 12, ... Now, \(x=1\) and \(y=1\) (\(x+y=2\)) then \(x^2+y^2=2\) and thus the remainder is 2, but if \(x=5\) and \(y=2\) (\(x+y=7\)) then \(x^2+y^2=29\) and thus the remainder is 4. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Square both expressions: \(x^2-2xy+y^2=25q^2+10q+1\) and \(x^2+2xy+y^2=25p^2+20p+4\) --> add them up: \(2(x^2+y^2)=5(5q^2+2q+5p^2+4p+1)\) --> so \(2(x^2+y^2)\) is divisible by 5 (remainder 0), which means that so is \(x^2+y^2\). Sufficient.

When you squared each term, why did you make X=5 and Y=1 in the first expression and X=5 and Y=2 in the second expression? I don't understand what indicated that.

If x and y are integer, what is the remainder when x^2 + y^2 is divided by 5?

(1) When x-y is divided by 5, the remainder is 1 --> \(x-y=5q+1\), so \(x-y\) can be 1, 6, 11, ... Now, \(x=2\) and \(y=1\) (\(x-y=1\)) then \(x^2+y^2=5\) and thus the remainder is 0, but if \(x=3\) and \(y=2\) (\(x-y=1\)) then \(x^2+y^2=13\) and thus the remainder is 3. Not sufficient.

(2) When x+y is divided by 5, the remainder is 2 --> \(x+y=5p+2\), so \(x+y\) can be 2, 7, 12, ... Now, \(x=1\) and \(y=1\) (\(x+y=2\)) then \(x^2+y^2=2\) and thus the remainder is 2, but if \(x=5\) and \(y=2\) (\(x+y=7\)) then \(x^2+y^2=29\) and thus the remainder is 4. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Square both expressions: \(x^2-2xy+y^2=25q^2+10q+1\) and \(x^2+2xy+y^2=25p^2+20p+4\) --> add them up: \(2(x^2+y^2)=5(5q^2+2q+5p^2+4p+1)\) --> so \(2(x^2+y^2)\) is divisible by 5 (remainder 0), which means that so is \(x^2+y^2\). Sufficient.

When you squared each term, why did you make X=5 and Y=1 in the first expression and X=5 and Y=2 in the second expression? I don't understand what indicated that.

Not following you... Which part are you talking about?
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16 Nov 2017, 19:45

Bunuel wrote:

bkastan wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

If x and y are integer, what is the remainder when x^2 + y^2 is divided by 5?

(1) When x-y is divided by 5, the remainder is 1 --> \(x-y=5q+1\), so \(x-y\) can be 1, 6, 11, ... Now, \(x=2\) and \(y=1\) (\(x-y=1\)) then \(x^2+y^2=5\) and thus the remainder is 0, but if \(x=3\) and \(y=2\) (\(x-y=1\)) then \(x^2+y^2=13\) and thus the remainder is 3. Not sufficient.

(2) When x+y is divided by 5, the remainder is 2 --> \(x+y=5p+2\), so \(x+y\) can be 2, 7, 12, ... Now, \(x=1\) and \(y=1\) (\(x+y=2\)) then \(x^2+y^2=2\) and thus the remainder is 2, but if \(x=5\) and \(y=2\) (\(x+y=7\)) then \(x^2+y^2=29\) and thus the remainder is 4. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Square both expressions: \(x^2-2xy+y^2=25q^2+10q+1\) and \(x^2+2xy+y^2=25p^2+20p+4\) --> add them up: \(2(x^2+y^2)=5(5q^2+2q+5p^2+4p+1)\) --> so \(2(x^2+y^2)\) is divisible by 5 (remainder 0), which means that so is \(x^2+y^2\). Sufficient.

When you squared each term, why did you make X=5 and Y=1 in the first expression and X=5 and Y=2 in the second expression? I don't understand what indicated that.

Not following you... Which part are you talking about?

How did you get the following: (1)+(2) Square both expressions: x2−2xy+y2=25q2+10q+1x2−2xy+y2=25q2+10q+1 and x2+2xy+y2=25p2+20p+4x2+2xy+y2=25p2+20p+4 --> add them up: 2(x2+y2)=5(5q2+2q+5p2+4p+1)2(x2+y2)=5(5q2+2q+5p2+4p+1) --> so 2(x2+y2)2(x2+y2)

How did you get the following: (1)+(2) Square both expressions: x2−2xy+y2=25q2+10q+1x2−2xy+y2=25q2+10q+1 and x2+2xy+y2=25p2+20p+4x2+2xy+y2=25p2+20p+4 --> add them up: 2(x2+y2)=5(5q2+2q+5p2+4p+1)2(x2+y2)=5(5q2+2q+5p2+4p+1) --> so 2(x2+y2)2(x2+y2)

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16 Nov 2017, 20:55

Bunuel wrote:

bkastan wrote:

How did you get the following: (1)+(2) Square both expressions: x2−2xy+y2=25q2+10q+1x2−2xy+y2=25q2+10q+1 and x2+2xy+y2=25p2+20p+4x2+2xy+y2=25p2+20p+4 --> add them up: 2(x2+y2)=5(5q2+2q+5p2+4p+1)2(x2+y2)=5(5q2+2q+5p2+4p+1) --> so 2(x2+y2)2(x2+y2)

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16 Nov 2017, 23:13

kt750 wrote:

If x and y are integer, what is the remainder when x^2 + y^2 is divided by 5?

(1) When x-y is divided by 5, the remainder is 1

(2) When x+y is divided by 5, the remainder is 2

In such questions for me it is more easier to solve with actual numbers

by seeing the question and reading the options you can easily sense that option A, B, D are wrong (choice will most probably be in between C & E)

Identify numbers for which conditions support (1) x,y could be 7,6 then remainder will be 0 x,y could be 8,7 then remainder will be 3..not sufficient

(2)x,y could be 8,4 then remainder will be 0 x,y could be 7,5 then remainder will be 4..not sufficient

However on combining we can see that when x,y is 9,8 it passes both the conditions and the remainder is 0 We can check as well when x,y is 4,3 it passes both the conditions and the remainder is 0 Hence C
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