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I find this one hard, as these formulas should be equal to each other but when testing for values i get different answers on both y's
let's say x = 0,
0  1 = 1 = absolute 1
3*0 +3 = 3
So different values

x = 1
11 = 0 = absolute 0
3*1 + 3 = 6
Also different

x = 1
11 = 2 absolute 2 3*1 + 3 = 0
Also different

x = 2
2 1 = 1 absolute 1 3*2 + 3 = 9
also different

x = 2
21 = 3 absolute 3 3*2 +3 = 3
also different

x = 3
31 = 2 absolute 2 3*3 + 3 = 12
also different..
I guess I'm not understanding the question here, reading it wrong. But I would like some help here.



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Hi tjerkrintjema,
I think you are missing the word "Between" in the question
The ans is "D"
x = 0.5
0.51 = 1.5 absolute 1.5 0.5*3 + 3 = 1.5
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Thanks yes, like i said misread the question.



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Bunuel wrote: If y = x – 1 and y = 3x + 3, then x must be between which of the following values?
(A) 2 and 3 (B) 1 and 2 (C) 0 and 1 (D) –1 and 0 (E) –2 and –1 y = x – 1 confirms that y is nonnegative value i.e. 3x +3 must be non negative [because y = 3x + 3] i.e. 3x +3 > 0 i.e. 3x > 3 i.e. x > 1Now x – 1 = 3x + 3 i.e. +(x1) = 3x + 3 i.e. x1 = 3x + 3 OR x + 1 = 3x + 3 i.e. x = 4 OR x = 0.5So we can conclude that x can't be 4 as it has to be greater than 1 hence x must be 0.5 only Answer: Option
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Bunuel wrote: If y = x – 1 and y = 3x + 3, then x must be between which of the following values?
(A) 2 and 3 (B) 1 and 2 (C) 0 and 1 (D) –1 and 0 (E) –2 and –1 MANHATTAN GMAT OFFICIAL SOLUTION:We should set the two equations for y equal and algebraically solve x – 1 = 3x + 3 for x. This requires two solutions: one for the case that x – 1 is positive, the other for the case that x –1 is negative: x – 1 is positive: (x – 1) = 3x + 3 > x = 2. INCORRECT: x – 1 = (–2) – 1 = –3 Therefore, the original assumption that x – 1 is positive does not hold. x – 1 is negative: –(x – 1) = 3x + 3 > x = 1/2. CORRECT: Therefore, the original assumption that x – 1 is negatives holds. Thus, there is only one solution for x and y, which is y = 3/2 and x = 1/2. The correct answer is D.
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Since we're finding the intersection points of two relatively easy functions to think about visually, the best way to approach this problem is with a graph. The first equation should be a simple absolute value function with the bend at x = 1. The second is a basic line with y intercept at y = 3 and x intercept at x = 1. Based on these two functions, we see that they have to intersect somewhere between  1 and 0 . Answer: D



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solve the equation 3x+3=x1 and you will get value of x which is valid=1/2
answer is D



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Bunuel wrote: Bunuel wrote: If y = x – 1 and y = 3x + 3, then x must be between which of the following values?
(A) 2 and 3 (B) 1 and 2 (C) 0 and 1 (D) –1 and 0 (E) –2 and –1 MANHATTAN GMAT OFFICIAL SOLUTION:We should set the two equations for y equal and algebraically solve x – 1 = 3x + 3 for x. This requires two solutions: one for the case that x – 1 is positive, the other for the case that x –1 is negative: x – 1 is positive: (x – 1) = 3x + 3 > x = 2. INCORRECT: x – 1 = (–2) – 1 = –3 Therefore, the original assumption that x – 1 is positive does not hold. x – 1 is negative: –(x – 1) = 3x + 3 > x = 1/2. CORRECT: Therefore, the original assumption that x – 1 is negatives holds. Thus, there is only one solution for x and y, which is y = 3/2 and x = 1/2. The correct answer is D.So I solved for y initially to find the distance. One answer was 3 and the second for 3/2. Since distance from 1 cannot be negative, only 3/2 is valid. But why then can it not be between 2 and 3 as well? Is that because it x as 5/2 needs to satisfy y=3x+3? That is the only reason I could think of. The possible answer I solved for was 1/2 and 5/2 (distance of 3/2 from 1 but only one of them is correct).



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Bunuel wrote: Bunuel wrote: If y = x – 1 and y = 3x + 3, then x must be between which of the following values?
(A) 2 and 3 (B) 1 and 2 (C) 0 and 1 (D) –1 and 0 (E) –2 and –1 MANHATTAN GMAT OFFICIAL SOLUTION:We should set the two equations for y equal and algebraically solve x – 1 = 3x + 3 for x. This requires two solutions: one for the case that x – 1 is positive, the other for the case that x –1 is negative: x – 1 is positive: (x – 1) = 3x + 3 > x = 2. INCORRECT: x – 1 = (–2) – 1 = –3 Therefore, the original assumption that x – 1 is positive does not hold. x – 1 is negative: –(x – 1) = 3x + 3 > x = 1/2. CORRECT: Therefore, the original assumption that x – 1 is negatives holds. Thus, there is only one solution for x and y, which is y = 3/2 and x = 1/2. The correct answer is D.Bunuel, this is was the same thing I did, but I just had one question. Isn't it more accurate to say for the case where x>1, that since it leads to x=2, this is an invalid solution because 2 is not >1, rather than saying 2 is invalid because 2 <0? Like when are testing solutions to be valid we are making sure that fall within the range, not just if they are positive or negative right?



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brandon7 wrote: Bunuel wrote: Bunuel wrote: If y = x – 1 and y = 3x + 3, then x must be between which of the following values?
(A) 2 and 3 (B) 1 and 2 (C) 0 and 1 (D) –1 and 0 (E) –2 and –1 MANHATTAN GMAT OFFICIAL SOLUTION:We should set the two equations for y equal and algebraically solve x – 1 = 3x + 3 for x. This requires two solutions: one for the case that x – 1 is positive, the other for the case that x –1 is negative: x – 1 is positive: (x – 1) = 3x + 3 > x = 2. INCORRECT: x – 1 = (–2) – 1 = –3 Therefore, the original assumption that x – 1 is positive does not hold. x – 1 is negative: –(x – 1) = 3x + 3 > x = 1/2. CORRECT: Therefore, the original assumption that x – 1 is negatives holds. Thus, there is only one solution for x and y, which is y = 3/2 and x = 1/2. The correct answer is D.Bunuel, this is was the same thing I did, but I just had one question. Isn't it more accurate to say for the case where x>1, that since it leads to x=2, this is an invalid solution because 2 is not >1, rather than saying 2 is invalid because 2 <0? Like when are testing solutions to be valid we are making sure that fall within the range, not just if they are positive or negative right? Here is another way, which might help: \(x – 1 = 3x + 3\) When \(x  1 < 0\), so when \(x < 1\) we'll get \((x  1) = 3x + 3\) > \(x = \frac{1}{2}\): keep because \(\frac{1}{2}\) IS in the range \(x < 1\). When \(x  1 \geq 0\), so when \(x \geq 1\) we'll get \(x  1 = 3x + 3\) > \(x = 2\): discard because 2 is NOT in the range \(x \geq 1\)). So, we got that \(x – 1 = 3x + 3\) has only one solutions \(x = \frac{1}{2}\). Answer: D. Hope it helps.
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Bunuel wrote: If y = x – 1 and y = 3x + 3, then x must be between which of the following values?
(A) 2 and 3 (B) 1 and 2 (C) 0 and 1 (D) –1 and 0 (E) –2 and –1 Solving it graphically was super easy.
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+1 kudos Bunuel. Nice expln



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Bunuel ... this is how I approached this question. is it ok to do this way? y=x1 so y=(x1) or y=(x1) First consider y=(x1) since y=3x+3 we have an equation 3x+3=x1, solving this equation gives x=2 which when plugged in the given equations does not hold. Plugging x=2 in y=x1 gives y=3 and Plugging x=2 in y=3x+3 gives y=3 so x=2 is not the desired solution. Now consider y=(x1) Using the same approach, we get x=1/2 which when plugged in the given equations gives y=3/2 in both cases. Plugging x=1/2 in y=x1 gives y=3/2 and Plugging x=1/2 in y=3x+3 gives y=3/2 so x=1/2 is the desired solution. It lies within 1 and 0 so D is the right answer.



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kaleem765 wrote: Bunuel ... this is how I approached this question. is it ok to do this way? y=x1 so y=(x1) or y=(x1) First consider y=(x1) since y=3x+3 we have an equation 3x+3=x1, solving this equation gives x=2 which when plugged in the given equations does not hold. Plugging x=2 in y=x1 gives y=3 and Plugging x=2 in y=3x+3 gives y=3 so x=2 is not the desired solution. Now consider y=(x1) Using the same approach, we get x=1/2 which when plugged in the given equations gives y=3/2 in both cases. Plugging x=1/2 in y=x1 gives y=3/2 and Plugging x=1/2 in y=3x+3 gives y=3/2 so x=1/2 is the desired solution. It lies within 1 and 0 so D is the right answer. Yes, you can expand absolute value with positive sign and negative sing, solve and substitute back to check the validity of the roots.
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Bunuel wrote: If y = x – 1 and y = 3x + 3, then x must be between which of the following values?
(A) 2 and 3 (B) 1 and 2 (C) 0 and 1 (D) –1 and 0 (E) –2 and –1 Using substitution, we have: x – 1 = 3x + 3 For absolute value questions, we always have two cases: when (x  1) is positive and when (x  1) is negative: Case 1: when (x  1) is positive: x  1 = 3x + 3 4 = 2x 2 = x When (x  1) is negative: (x  1) = 3x + 3 x + 1 = 3x + 3 2 = 4x x = 1/2 We have two possible solutions: x = 2 and x = ½. However, x = 2 is not a solution, since it doesn’t satisfy the equation: 2  1 = 3(2) + 3 ? 3 = 6 + 3 ? 3 = 3 ? → False On the other hand, x = 1/2 is a solution, since it does satisfy the equation: 1/2  1 = 3(1/2) + 3 ? 3/2 = 3/2 + 3 ? 3/2 = 3/2 ? → True Thus, x is between 1 and 0. Answer: D
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Bunuel wrote: If y = x – 1 and y = 3x + 3, then x must be between which of the following values?
(A) 2 and 3 (B) 1 and 2 (C) 0 and 1 (D) –1 and 0 (E) –2 and –1 x1 = 3x + 3 therefore, x must be a negative number Plug in 1.5 for x 2.5 =/ 4.5 + 3, eliminate E plug in .5 for x 1.5 = 3(.5) + 3 = 1.5 Therefore, the answer is (D) 1 and 0



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Bunuel wrote: If y = x – 1 and y = 3x + 3, then x must be between which of the following values?
(A) 2 and 3 (B) 1 and 2 (C) 0 and 1 (D) –1 and 0 (E) –2 and –1 we can two cases x>1 and X<1 , for equation x1=3x+3 for x>1,x=2 cant be taken. For x<1, x=1/2 ,hence and D



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eaze wrote: Since we're finding the intersection points of two relatively easy functions to think about visually, the best way to approach this problem is with a graph. The first equation should be a simple absolute value function with the bend at x = 1. The second is a basic line with y intercept at y = 3 and x intercept at x = 1. Based on these two functions, we see that they have to intersect somewhere between  1 and 0 . Answer: D A graph is the "best way to approach this problem" ? Not really. Equating x1 to 3x+3 is quick and painless.
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