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If zy < xy < 0, is |x-z| + |x| = |z|?

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If zy < xy < 0, is |x-z| + |x| = |z|?

(1) z < x
(2) y > 0

For zy < xy < 0 to be true, I am counting two possible scenarios

x y z
-ve +ve -ve -------------------1
+ve -ve +ve--------------------2

Statement 1
rules out scenario 2 but scenario 1 is possible.
Now when i substitute the signs of x and z and take them out from the modulus, i get -

(-x + z) + (-x) = (-z)
-2x = -2z
x=z - - -
Therefore in the original equation, |x-z| = 0
and |x| = |z|

-hence sufficient


Statement 2

Again eliminates the possibility of the scenario 2
and hence is sufficient


Am i correct here?
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An easy way to approach this ineq will be to analyze that:
|x-z| + |x| = |z| means
|z-x| = |z| - |x|.
|z-x| is the distance between z and x on number line. It can only be equal to |z| - |x| if both z and x have the same signs.

a) z < x - implies that y > 0 because zy < xy.
If y > 0 then z < x < 0. Therefore both have same signs.
SUFF

b) y>0 then z < x < 0. Therefore both have same signs.
SUFF

D is the answer i think
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This question was discussed before here is my post from there:


This is not a good question, as neither of statement is needed to answer the question, stem is enough to do so.


If \(zy<xy<0\) is \(|x-z|+|x| = |z|\)

Look at the inequality \(zy<xy<0\):

We can have two cases:

A. If \(y<0\) --> when reducing we should flip signs and we'll get: \(z>x>0\).
In this case: as \(z>x\) --> \(|x-z|=-x+z\); as \(x>0\) and \(z>0\) --> \(|x|=x\) and \(|z|=z\).

Hence in this case \(|x-z|+|x|=|z|\) will expand as follows: \(-x+z+x=z\) --> \(0=0\), which is true.

And:

B. If \(y>0\) --> when reducing we'll get: \(z<x<0\).
In this case: as \(z<x\) --> \(|x-z|=x-z\); as \(x<0\) and \(z<0\) --> \(|x|=-x\) and \(|z|=-z\).

Hence in this case \(|x-z|+|x|=|z|\) will expand as follows: \(x-z-x=-z\) --> \(0=0\), which is true.


So knowing that \(zy<xy<0\) is true, we can conclude that \(|x-z|+|x| = |z|\) will also be true. Answer should be D even not considering the statements themselves.

As for the statements:

Statement (1) says that \(z<x\), hence we have case B.

Statement (2) says that \(y>0\), again we have case B.

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wow, I solved this question by myself:)
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If zy < xy < 0, is |x-z| + |x| = |z|?

(1) z < x
(2) y > 0

For zy < xy < 0 to be true, I am counting two possible scenarios

x y z
-ve +ve -ve -------------------1
+ve -ve +ve--------------------2

Statement 1
rules out scenario 2 but scenario 1 is possible.
Now when i substitute the signs of x and z and take them out from the modulus, i get -

(-x + z) + (-x) = (-z)
-2x = -2z
x=z - - -
Therefore in the original equation, |x-z| = 0
and |x| = |z|

-hence sufficient


Statement 2

Again eliminates the possibility of the scenario 2
and hence is sufficient


Am i correct here?


Rearrange question |-(-x+z)|=|z-x| = |z|-|x|?
By property they will be equal when both x and z have the same sign

Statement 1
If x>z, then with zy < xy < 0, x and z are both positive. Same sign. Suff

Statement 2.
If y>0 then same with zy < xy < 0, x and z both positive. Same sign Suff

Answer is (D)

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I solved this question on number line, we can first analyze this eq |x-z| + |x| = |z|?
This equality is only possible, if x and z are on the same side of the number line.

(-) ----z----x----0--- or ---0-----x----z---- (+)

|distance between xandz| + |distance of x from origin| = |distance of z from origin|

given zy<xy<0 which can happen in two case.

z x y
- - + zy negative xy negative < both less than 0
+ + - zy negative xy negative < both less than 0

Therefore we don't even need option 1 and 2 to validate this |x-z| + |x| = |z|.

Answer : D
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(1) z < x => y > 0
(2) Same as (1)

(1) or (2)
x < 0
z < 0

0 < x-z
abs(x-z) + abs(x) = abs(z)?
x-z + -x = -z
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using Statement 1 :
from the question , zy < xy
y(z-x)<0 ------- (A)
Now statement 1 tells me that (z-x)< 0 . This implies Y>0
So, if zy < xy < 0 and Y>0
This implies Z & X < 0
mod (x-z) + mod (x) = X-Z (since Z-X<0) + (-X) = -Z = |Z|

Using Statement 2 :
From (A), y(z-x)<0
Since from Statement 2 we know that y > 0
That implies (z-x)< 0 .

Hence D.
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Bunuel wrote:
This question was discussed before here is my post from there:

This is not a good question, as neither of statement is needed to answer the question, stem is enough to do so.

Hi Bunuel, your explanation is totally convincing.

Can you or someone please confirm that this is an official question? I had thought official questions are always correct. :?
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Bunuel wrote:
This question was discussed before here is my post from there:

This is not a good question, as neither of statement is needed to answer the question, stem is enough to do so.

Hi Bunuel, your explanation is totally convincing.

Can you or someone please confirm that this is an official question? I had thought official questions are always correct. :?


Yes, it's a question from old GMAT Prep. It's one of the very few examples of flawed questions from the official source.
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