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In a class of 50 students, 20 play Hockey, 15 play Cricket and 11 play Football. 7 play both Hockey and Cricket, 4 play Cricket and Football and 5 play Hockey and football. If 18 students do not play any of these given sports, how many students play exactly two of these sports?

In a class of 50 students, 20 play Hockey, 15 play Cricket and 11 play Football. 7 play both Hockey and Cricket, 4 play Cricket and Football and 5 play Hockey and football. If 18 students do not play any of these given sports, how many students play exactly two of these sports?

A. 12 B. 10 C. 11 D. 15 E. 14

Notice that "7 play both Hockey and Cricket" does not mean that out of those 7, some does not play Football too. The same for Cricket/Football and Hockey/Football.

Those who play ONLY Hockey and Cricket are 7-2=5; Those who play ONLY Cricket and Football are 4-2=2; Those who play ONLY Hockey and Football are 5-2=3;

Hence, 5+2+3=10 students play exactly two of these sports.

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09 Oct 2012, 11:39

I don't agree with the answer given If the question is correctly worded the answer ought to be 7 + 5 + 4 = 16 But if the question is: How many students play exactly one of these sports then the answer could be 10 (I haven't checked) Brother Karamazov

This question asks for the number of students who played exactly two sports? Why does the second formula not work here?

Notice that "7 play both Hockey and Cricket..." does NOT mean that these 7 students play ONLY Hockey and Cricket, some might play Football too. The same for "4 play Cricket and Football and 5 play Hockey and football". So, we cannot use the second formula directly. Also notice that we don't know the number of students who play all three sports.

But we CAN use the first formula, find the number of students who play all three and then find the number of students who play exactly two of the sports.

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18 Oct 2013, 23:00

Bunuel wrote:

josemnz83 wrote:

This question asks for the number of students who played exactly two sports? Why does the second formula not work here?

Notice that "7 play both Hockey and Cricket..." does NOT mean that these 7 students play ONLY Hockey and Cricket, some might play Football too. The same for "4 play Cricket and Football and 5 play Hockey and football". So, we cannot use the second formula directly. Also notice that we don't know the number of students who play all three sports.

But we CAN use the first formula, find the number of students who play all three and then find the number of students who play exactly two of the sports.

Hope it's clear.

hey bunuel, if we had to find exactly one sport then how are we suppose to go ahead ?

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Bunuel wrote:

josemnz83 wrote:

This question asks for the number of students who played exactly two sports? Why does the second formula not work here?

Notice that "7 play both Hockey and Cricket..." does NOT mean that these 7 students play ONLY Hockey and Cricket, some might play Football too. The same for "4 play Cricket and Football and 5 play Hockey and football". So, we cannot use the second formula directly. Also notice that we don't know the number of students who play all three sports.

But we CAN use the first formula, find the number of students who play all three and then find the number of students who play exactly two of the sports.

Hope it's clear.

Hi All,

That's exactly what I did, started with formula 1 and then used #2 once had "g" (all three):

Formula #1: 50=20+15+11-(7+4+5)+18 --> 2 (all three or "g") Formula #2: 50=20+15+11-x-(2*2)+18 which leads to 50=60-x ; x=10

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29 Jun 2014, 14:12

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Answer = 10 Using Venn Diagram Bunuel, can you please tell if this method is correct?. Got x -ve in this case

I do not agree with given explanation for the next reason.

If we apply the same logic as we did in previous questions, we get the next....

H=20 C=15 F=11

32 students in game

H and C max 7 C and F max 4 H and F max 5

so, H=20-7-5=8 max C=15-7-4= 4 max F=11-4-5=2 max

at this moment we have the max number of students= 7+4+5+8+4+2=30...2 less than the number of students who participate in any class. If we put any of these students into all three group we will reduce all three numbers of every two classes and can never get the total of 32.

So the formula might be applied well, but this is wrong answer, or even more possible wrong figures in task.

I was surprised that Bunuel did not notice this mistake.

In a class of 50 students, 20 play Hockey, 15 play Cricket [#permalink]

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09 Jul 2014, 08:45

Bunuel wrote:

gmihir wrote:

In a class of 50 students, 20 play Hockey, 15 play Cricket and 11 play Football. 7 play both Hockey and Cricket, 4 play Cricket and Football and 5 play Hockey and football. If 18 students do not play any of these given sports, how many students play exactly two of these sports?

A. 12 B. 10 C. 11 D. 15 E. 14

Notice that "7 play both Hockey and Cricket" does not mean that out of those 7, some does not play Football too. The same for Cricket/Football and Hockey/Football.

[color=#ffff00]{Total}={Hockey}+{Cricket}+{Football}-{HC+CH+HF}+{All three}+{Neither} For more check ADVANCED OVERLAPPING SETS PROBLEMS [/color] 50=20+15+11-(7+4+5)+{All three}+18 --> {All three}=2;

Those who play ONLY Hockey and Cricket are 7-2=5; Those who play ONLY Cricket and Football are 4-2=2; Those who play ONLY Hockey and Football are 5-2=3;

Hence, 5+2+3=10 students play exactly two of these sports.

Answer: B.

Hi..why did not you use this formula as you have mentioned in the advance set problems..

A+B+C- (ALL TWO GROUPS)- 2(ALL 3 GROUPS)+NEITHER. I am confuse now. which is correct formula.

In a class of 50 students, 20 play Hockey, 15 play Cricket and 11 play Football. 7 play both Hockey and Cricket, 4 play Cricket and Football and 5 play Hockey and football. If 18 students do not play any of these given sports, how many students play exactly two of these sports?

A. 12 B. 10 C. 11 D. 15 E. 14

Notice that "7 play both Hockey and Cricket" does not mean that out of those 7, some does not play Football too. The same for Cricket/Football and Hockey/Football.

[color=#ffff00]{Total}={Hockey}+{Cricket}+{Football}-{HC+CH+HF}+{All three}+{Neither} For more check ADVANCED OVERLAPPING SETS PROBLEMS [/color] 50=20+15+11-(7+4+5)+{All three}+18 --> {All three}=2;

Those who play ONLY Hockey and Cricket are 7-2=5; Those who play ONLY Cricket and Football are 4-2=2; Those who play ONLY Hockey and Football are 5-2=3;

Hence, 5+2+3=10 students play exactly two of these sports.

Answer: B.

Hi..why did not you use this formula as you have mentioned in the advance set problems..

A+B+C- (ALL TWO GROUPS)- 2(ALL 3 GROUPS)+NEITHER. I am confuse now. which is correct formula.

Thanks in advance

Have you read that post? There are two formulas there and the whole post is about the differences between them.
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17 Aug 2014, 06:21

gmihir wrote:

In a class of 50 students, 20 play Hockey, 15 play Cricket and 11 play Football. 7 play both Hockey and Cricket, 4 play Cricket and Football and 5 play Hockey and football. If 18 students do not play any of these given sports, how many students play exactly two of these sports?

A. 12 B. 10 C. 11 D. 15 E. 14

Bunnel,

Will you please explain, why you have chosen this formula against exactly 2 formulae.. LS
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15 Sep 2014, 04:26

lastshot wrote:

gmihir wrote:

In a class of 50 students, 20 play Hockey, 15 play Cricket and 11 play Football. 7 play both Hockey and Cricket, 4 play Cricket and Football and 5 play Hockey and football. If 18 students do not play any of these given sports, how many students play exactly two of these sports?

A. 12 B. 10 C. 11 D. 15 E. 14

Bunnel,

Will you please explain, why you have chosen this formula against exactly 2 formulae.. LS

Read the above posts from Bunuel. He has used both the formulas in this problem. Formula no.1 to calculate the no. of students playing all the 3 sports, and then Formula no.2 to calculate the no. of students who play exactly two sports....Hope this helps!

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I've solved this one with the second formula Let X be the area where all 3 overlap and Exactly 2-Groups overlaps = 2-Group ovelaps - 3*X --> 50=20+15+11 -(7+4+5-3X) - 2X+18 X=2 and 16-3X=10
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28 Jan 2017, 10:16

MJ23 wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

josemnz83 wrote:

This question asks for the number of students who played exactly two sports? Why does the second formula not work here?

Notice that "7 play both Hockey and Cricket..." does NOT mean that these 7 students play ONLY Hockey and Cricket, some might play Football too. The same for "4 play Cricket and Football and 5 play Hockey and football". So, we cannot use the second formula directly. Also notice that we don't know the number of students who play all three sports.

But we CAN use the first formula, find the number of students who play all three and then find the number of students who play exactly two of the sports.

Hope it's clear.

Hi All,

That's exactly what I did, started with formula 1 and then used #2 once had "g" (all three):

Formula #1: 50=20+15+11-(7+4+5)+18 --> 2 (all three or "g") Formula #2: 50=20+15+11-x-(2*2)+18 which leads to 50=60-x ; x=10

Hope this helps.

Cheers, MJ

Dense, but helpful. Somehow, I only noticed my mistake with this explanation and not the one from Bunuel (which is literally the same) thanks

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