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# In addition to the reduction in saturated fats

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Since I got it wrong, I need a discussion on the major contenders.

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12 Aug 2013, 07:07
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IMO B,

A & B are in contention.

I think first part of A is a fragment(lacks a verb). Hence B should be the correct answer.

Look forward to suggestions.

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12 Aug 2013, 07:11
B has a SVA error. It should be "was suggested" and not "were suggested".
Moreover to your point with A, modifiers may or may not have a verb.
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12 Aug 2013, 07:18
Marcab wrote:
Since I got it wrong, I need a discussion on the major contenders.

In addition to the reduction in saturated fats suggested by the guidelines, the members of the council on
health and nutrition are now recommending a diet high in soluble fiber.

A)In addition to the reduction in saturated fats suggested by the guidelines, the members
of the council on health and nutrition are now recommending a diet high in soluble
fiber.==>
CORRECT.
B)In addition to the reduction in saturated fats that were suggested by the guidelines,
the members of the council on health and nutrition now recommend a diet high in
soluble fiber.
WRONG.
REDUCTION = SINGULAR ...WERE= PLURAL ==>Sub - verb disagreement.
C)The members of the council on health and nutrition are now recommending a diet high
in soluble fiber added to the reduction in saturated fats that were suggested by the
guidelines.
WRONG.
-ADDED =>verb-ed modifier modifying closest noun...==>fiber added to reduction==>wrong.(modifier error)
D)Added to the reduction in saturated fats suggested by the guidelines, the members of
the council on health and nutrition are now recommending a diet high in soluble fiber.
WRONG.(this was the next contender IMO)
what is added ? ==>WRONG modification.
E)Added to reduction in saturated fats which had been suggested by the guidelines, the
members of the council on health and nutrition are now recommending a diet high in
soluble fiber.
WRONG.
-What is ADDED? same as D
-WRONG use of PAST PERFECT as no double past is present.
-no comma before WHICH (No official question has such construction).

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12 Aug 2013, 07:24
In addition to the reduction in saturated fats suggested by the guidelines, the members
of the council on health and nutrition are now recommending a diet high in soluble
fiber.

Agree with the explanation, but how can we get rid of the modifier error in answer choice A.
How can reduction in saturated fats be logically parallel to the members of the council?
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Marcab wrote:
In addition to the reduction in saturated fats suggested by the guidelines, the members
of the council on health and nutrition are now recommending a diet high in soluble
fiber.

Agree with the explanation, but how can we get rid of the modifier error in answer choice A.
How can reduction in saturated fats be logically parallel to the members of the council?

I think this construction is correct.

IN ADDITION TO X, the members ...are now recommending Y.
here X AND Y ARE parallel..as both are NOUNS phrase

See one analogous sentence.:
In addition to the recipe ingredients, you'll need the following..XYZ.

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04 Sep 2017, 23:05
can an expert please help on why A is preferred to B?

I thought "were" in B was fine as 'that' touches 'fats', meaning it should read 'fats that (plural) were"
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mdacosta wrote:
can an expert please help on why A is preferred to B?

I thought "were" in B was fine as 'that' touches 'fats', meaning it should read 'fats that (plural) were"

Not an expert ,but will try to help u out

Logic of the sentence says :

"Reduction of saturated fats" was suggested by guidelines
not
Saturated fats itself
So we have SV issue in B .
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05 Sep 2017, 20:59
Thanks for your explanation! I thought that the "that" via the touch rule takes the tense of the word before it, but it seems i'm wrong. Do you know how to differentiate between using the touch rule and cutting the middlemen to find the subj (in this case the middlemen is "of saturated fats"

sobby wrote:
mdacosta wrote:
can an expert please help on why A is preferred to B?

I thought "were" in B was fine as 'that' touches 'fats', meaning it should read 'fats that (plural) were"

Not an expert ,but will try to help u out

Logic of the sentence says :

"Reduction of saturated fats" was suggested by guidelines
not
Saturated fats itself
So we have SV issue in B .
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Marcab wrote:
In addition to the reduction in saturated fats suggested by the guidelines, the members
of the council on health and nutrition are now recommending a diet high in soluble
fiber.

Agree with the explanation, but how can we get rid of the modifier error in answer choice A.
How can reduction in saturated fats be logically parallel to the members of the council?

Let me try,

As we know the doer of this modifier 'in addition.... ' is 'the members'. If I reconstruct this sentence as,

the members of the council on health and nutrition 'in addition to the reduction in saturated fats suggested by the guidelines' are now recommending a diet high in soluble fiber.

Does it make any sense?

We can also say,

The members..... in addition to
'suggest' the reduction in saturated fats
are now recommending....
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16 May 2018, 16:55
mdacosta wrote:
can an expert please help on why A is preferred to B?

I thought "were" in B was fine as 'that' touches 'fats', meaning it should read 'fats that (plural) were"

B)In addition to the reduction in saturated fats that were suggested by the guidelines,
the members of the council on health and nutrition now recommend a diet high in
soluble fiber.

What stood out to me in B was the highlighted part. The council is now recommending something that has been called out by the past participle recommended, which signals something done in the past. There's a time issue with this line.
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22 Jun 2018, 07:52
My understanding is that Verb+ed modifier modified the preceding noun.

in addition to reduction in saturated fat suggested by the guideline, ........

Isn't suggested is modifying saturated fats? If so, how can a guideline suggest saturated fats? It has to be suggested by the guideline?

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25 Aug 2018, 13:20
Avinash2303 wrote:
My understanding is that Verb+ed modifier modified the preceding noun.

in addition to reduction in saturated fat suggested by the guideline, ........

Isn't suggested is modifying saturated fats? If so, how can a guideline suggest saturated fats? It has to be suggested by the guideline?

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25 Aug 2018, 14:12
Alacritous wrote:
Avinash2303 wrote:
My understanding is that Verb+ed modifier modified the preceding noun.

in addition to reduction in saturated fat suggested by the guideline, ........

Isn't suggested is modifying saturated fats? If so, how can a guideline suggest saturated fats? It has to be suggested by the guideline?

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Verb Ed modifier modifies the nearest noun or nearest noun phrase. Here suggested is modifying - - - > reduction in xyz

So reduction in xyz is suggested by the guidelines. That makes sense.

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28 Aug 2018, 03:59
I think the correct sentence would look something like this:

"In addition to the reduction in saturated fats suggested by the guidelines, a diet high in soluble fiber is now being recommended by the members of the council on health and nutrition"

In addition to reduction in saturated fats....., a diet high in soluble fiber.

A illogically compares reduction in saturated fats to members.

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
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29 Aug 2018, 01:25
Avinash2303 wrote:
My understanding is that Verb+ed modifier modified the preceding noun.

in addition to reduction in saturated fat suggested by the guideline, ........

Isn't suggested is modifying saturated fats? If so, how can a guideline suggest saturated fats? It has to be suggested by the guideline?

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This is the general rule, but we can't always apply it 100% literally. In this case, we have an intervening modifier ("in saturated fats") that can't be placed anywhere else. However, it's still clear that the reduction, and not the fat, was suggested. Similarly, if I say "The King of Spain, who visited" or "The jar of peanut butter, which shattered," we know that the king (not Spain) visited and the jar (not the peanut butter) shattered.
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24 Sep 2019, 08:23
This forum contain numerous SC problem based on this concept. And every problem have two type of answer.

Few are favoring "in addition to A, B is ..." and others are favoring "in addition to A, X is seeking B".

Why this contention with this phrase! Please clarify!

blueseas wrote:
Marcab wrote:
In addition to the reduction in saturated fats suggested by the guidelines, the members
of the council on health and nutrition are now recommending a diet high in soluble
fiber.

Agree with the explanation, but how can we get rid of the modifier error in answer choice A.
How can reduction in saturated fats be logically parallel to the members of the council?

I think this construction is correct.

IN ADDITION TO X, the members ...are now recommending Y.
here X AND Y ARE parallel..as both are NOUNS phrase

See one analogous sentence.:
In addition to the recipe ingredients, you'll need the following..XYZ.

hope this helps
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