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I totally understand option B is right. But as I learned in Manhattan book, two FANBOYS cannot appear together. in this case, it is "and" and "so". Someone please clarifies me per this confusion?
"So" can be used as a conjunction, i.e.: "I was hungry, so I ate a 10-kilo bag of potato chips." (Mmm.. potato chips.)

But "so" can also be used as an adverb, as it is in this question. There are actually multiple ways to use "so" as an adverb, but in this case it basically means "thus" or "therefore": "Most clothing could be packed flat, and therefore elaborate closet facilities were unnecessary."

So (ha), we actually do not have two conjunctions in a row.

I hope this helps!
Hello GMATNinja

Isn't "," and "and" joining a independent and dependent clause in option B?

I thought the sentence before "," is an independent clause and sentence starting from "so" is a dependent clause.
If "," and "and" are not joining IC+DC as I thought, what is they exactly doing in this sentence?
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The ", and" joins two independent clauses, as usual! Remember that in this case, "so" is functioning as an adverb that basically means "thus" or "therefore."

  • "Mary went to the grocery store, and her husband made dinner." - Here the ", and" links two complete thoughts: 1) "Mary went to the grocery store," and 2) "Her husband made dinner."
  • "In the traditional Japanese household, most clothing could be packed flat, and so (therefore) elaborate closet facilities were unnecessary." - Again, the ", and" links two complete thoughts: 1) "Most clothing could be packed flat," and 2) "Elaborate closet facilities were unnecessary." In this case, "so" (or "therefore") wouldn't automatically make the second clause dependent.

When linking two full sentences, we need to use a comma+conjunction, and that's exactly what we have here.

I hope this helps!
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Is "flat" in the correct choice B. an ADVERB or ADJECTIVE?

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The SC above is using flat as resultative ADJECTIVE. A resultative adjective appears after the noun that it modifies and indicates a change that occurs as a result of the verb:

Mary painted the wall yellow.

In the sentence above, the wall became yellow because Mary painted it.

The SC above is describing not the action of the packing but the result of the packing. Thus, the correct construction is most of the clothing could be packed flat, which means that most of the clothing could be packed so that it would become flat. Eliminate A, C and E.
However, according to https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/flat, flat is an ADVERB. It further provide an example: The bed can be folded flat for storage.

I'm very confused here.
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Is "flat" in the correct choice B. an ADVERB or ADJECTIVE?
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The SC above is using flat as resultative ADJECTIVE.
However, according to https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/flat, flat is an ADVERB. It further provide an example: The bed can be folded flat for storage.

What Mitch says is right. Whether you classify these types of resultative adjectives as adverbs or adjectives might just be a matter of taste -- in general, resultatives are hard to classify grammatically. The Cambridge English Dictionary gives examples of "flat" used the way this question does both when defining "flat" as an adjective ("She borrowed a garden roller to roll the grass flat") and as an adverb ("My hat has been squashed flat") so even dictionaries seem undecided about it.

But I'm not sure why it matters how you classify things. The important thing is to understand what things mean. If you compare these three sentences (I should point out that Mitch provided similar examples, also using "clean", in the BTG thread you linked to), they have very different meanings:

"He wiped the windows clean." --> He wiped the windows so they became clean.
"He wiped the windows cleanly." --> He wiped the windows in a clean manner (i.e. his wiping technique was clean).
"He wiped the clean windows." --> The windows were clean and then he wiped them.

Only the first of these sentences conveys a normal meaning. The second is a bizarre sentence, and it's hard to imagine a situation where you'd want to say it. The third makes logical sense, but has a very different meaning from the first. I'd call "clean" in the first sentence an adjective, because it describes the windows and not the wiping (and it clearly becomes an adjective when you rephrase the sentence), but because it describes something about the combination of verb and object, I suppose you could call it an adverb too (it seems dictionaries do that sometimes).
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I'm very confused here.

In the post that you cite, I explain why flat may be considered an adjective rather than an adverb.
But this distinction -- whether flat is a noun modifier or a verb modifier -- is not what matters.
The issue here is meaning.
Generally, flatly refers to forms of SPEECH and means firmly or without emotion.
One can SPEAK flatly.
One can flatly REFUSE to do something.
It is not possible to PACK flatly.
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I totally understand option B is right. But as I learned in Manhattan book, two FANBOYS cannot appear together. in this case, it is "and" and "so". Someone please clarifies me per this confusion?
"So" can be used as a conjunction, i.e.: "I was hungry, so I ate a 10-kilo bag of potato chips." (Mmm.. potato chips.)

But "so" can also be used as an adverb, as it is in this question. There are actually multiple ways to use "so" as an adverb, but in this case it basically means "thus" or "therefore": "Most clothing could be packed flat, and therefore elaborate closet facilities were unnecessary."

So (ha), we actually do not have two conjunctions in a row.

I hope this helps!
Hello GMATNinja

Isn't "," and "and" joining a independent and dependent clause in option B?

I thought the sentence before "," is an independent clause and sentence starting from "so" is a dependent clause.
If "," and "and" are not joining IC+DC as I thought, what is they exactly doing in this sentence?
Joining lists?

Thank you so much in advance

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The ", and" joins two independent clauses, as usual! Remember that in this case, "so" is functioning as an adverb that basically means "thus" or "therefore."

  • "Mary went to the grocery store, and her husband made dinner." - Here the ", and" links two complete thoughts: 1) "Mary went to the grocery store," and 2) "Her husband made dinner."
  • "In the traditional Japanese household, most clothing could be packed flat, and so (therefore) elaborate closet facilities were unnecessary." - Again, the ", and" links two complete thoughts: 1) "Most clothing could be packed flat," and 2) "Elaborate closet facilities were unnecessary." In this case, "so" (or "therefore") wouldn't automatically make the second clause dependent.

When linking two full sentences, we need to use a comma+conjunction, and that's exactly what we have here.

I hope this helps!

Hi GMATNinja

Isn't in FANBOYS also, so is meant to mean therefore?
He came home late, so he woke up late next morning. Isn't this "so" part of fanboys meaning therefore?
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In the traditional Japanese household, most clothing could be packed flatly, and so it was not necessary to have elaborate closet facilities.

(A) flatly, and so it was not necessary to have elaborate closet facilities
(B) flat, and so elaborate closet facilities were unnecessary
(C) flatly, and so there was no necessity for elaborate closet facilities
(D) flat, there being no necessity for elaborate closet facilities
(E) flatly, as no elaborate closet facilities were necessary

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The long-range possibilities are staggering. Since most of the Japanese styles can be packed flatly, elaborate closet facilities could become unnecessary. And perhaps some day, a person will have to carry only a toothbrush and some books when visiting a friend for the weekend; the friend will have a supply of easily stored clothes for borrowing.

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Is option D, is the usage of "being" correct?
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In the traditional Japanese household, most clothing could be packed flatly, and so it was not necessary to have elaborate closet facilities.

(A) flatly, and so it was not necessary to have elaborate closet facilities
(B) flat, and so elaborate closet facilities were unnecessary
(C) flatly, and so there was no necessity for elaborate closet facilities
(D) flat, there being no necessity for elaborate closet facilities
(E) flatly, as no elaborate closet facilities were necessary

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https://www.nytimes.com/1983/01/30/magazine/fashion-loose-translator.html

The long-range possibilities are staggering. Since most of the Japanese styles can be packed flatly, elaborate closet facilities could become unnecessary. And perhaps some day, a person will have to carry only a toothbrush and some books when visiting a friend for the weekend; the friend will have a supply of easily stored clothes for borrowing.

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Is option D, is the usage of "being" correct?
Hello, shanks2020. It is not so much that a non-GMAT™ sentence could not say, there being no necessity for, but it is certainly not an optimal way of expressing the notion that something was unnecessary. By the way, looking up at your earlier question on so, I can tell you that stacking conjunctions does occur sometimes in English, and that in such cases, the second conjunction more or less dictates the meaning ahead of the second clause.

and yet (read as "yet")
and so (read as "so")

A grammar purist might make a case for the extraneous and and explain subtle differences in meaning, but that is not a hair we need to split on the GMAT™.

Good luck with your studies.

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In the traditional Japanese household, most clothing could be packed flatly, and so it was not necessary to have elaborate closet facilities.

(A) flatly, and so it was not necessary to have elaborate closet facilities
(B) flat, and so elaborate closet facilities were unnecessary
(C) flatly, and so there was no necessity for elaborate closet facilities
(D) flat, there being no necessity for elaborate closet facilities
(E) flatly, as no elaborate closet facilities were necessary

SC74561.01

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/01/30/magazine/fashion-loose-translator.html

The long-range possibilities are staggering. Since most of the Japanese styles can be packed flatly, elaborate closet facilities could become unnecessary. And perhaps some day, a person will have to carry only a toothbrush and some books when visiting a friend for the weekend; the friend will have a supply of easily stored clothes for borrowing.

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Hello, shanks2020. It is not so much that a non-GMAT™ sentence could not say, there being no necessity for, but it is certainly not an optimal way of expressing the notion that something was unnecessary. By the way, looking up at your earlier question on so, I can tell you that stacking conjunctions does occur sometimes in English, and that in such cases, the second conjunction more or less dictates the meaning ahead of the second clause.

and yet (read as "yet")
and so (read as "so")

A grammar purist might make a case for the extraneous and and explain subtle differences in meaning, but that is not a hair we need to split on the GMAT™.

Good luck with your studies.

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Hi AndrewN

I agree to your point on the usage of and so.
However, i got a bit confused from the previous reply where it was given that so here does not act as a conjunction, but acts as an adverb. So working as adverb here is something i could not fathom!!!
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Hi AndrewN

I agree to your point on the usage of and so.
However, i got a bit confused from the previous reply where it was given that so here does not act as a conjunction, but acts as an adverb. So working as adverb here is something i could not fathom!!!
Hello, shanks2020. I was speaking more from a meaning standpoint than a part-of-speech standpoint. In fact, so in and so does act as an adverb, one used to explain something. Check out definition #15 for the adverbial use of so from Dictionary.com:

15 in the way that follows; in this way:
The audience was seated, and so the famous speech began.

I did not focus on the part of speech before because I did not find it necessary to use such knowledge to solve the question. I take a holistic approach to SC that is much more relaxed than a strictly grammatical approach would be.

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"So" can be used as a conjunction, i.e.: "I was hungry, so I ate a 10-kilo bag of potato chips." (Mmm.. potato chips.)

But "so" can also be used as an adverb, as it is in this question. There are actually multiple ways to use "so" as an adverb, but in this case it basically means "thus" or "therefore": "Most clothing could be packed flat, and therefore elaborate closet facilities were unnecessary."

So (ha), we actually do not have two conjunctions in a row.

I hope this helps!
The ", and" joins two independent clauses, as usual! Remember that in this case, "so" is functioning as an adverb that basically means "thus" or "therefore."

  • "Mary went to the grocery store, and her husband made dinner." - Here the ", and" links two complete thoughts: 1) "Mary went to the grocery store," and 2) "Her husband made dinner."
  • "In the traditional Japanese household, most clothing could be packed flat, and so (therefore) elaborate closet facilities were unnecessary." - Again, the ", and" links two complete thoughts: 1) "Most clothing could be packed flat," and 2) "Elaborate closet facilities were unnecessary." In this case, "so" (or "therefore") wouldn't automatically make the second clause dependent.

When linking two full sentences, we need to use a comma+conjunction, and that's exactly what we have here.

I hope this helps!

Hi GMATNinja

Isn't in FANBOYS also, so is meant to mean therefore?
He came home late, so he woke up late next morning. Isn't this "so" part of fanboys meaning therefore?
Yes, "so" can certainly act as a conjunction. But in (B) we already have a conjunction ("and").

We essentially have, "...most clothing could be packed flat, and [therefore] elaborate closet facilities were unnecessary." The "and" serves as the conjunction and the so/therefore serves as an adverb.

The main takeaway is that there is nothing inherently wrong with the following structure: "[clause 1], and therefore/so [clause 2]."

I hope that helps!
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In the traditional Japanese household, most clothing could be packed flatly, and so it was not necessary to have elaborate closet facilities.


(B) flat, and so elaborate closet facilities were unnecessary
(E) flatly, as no elaborate closet facilities were necessary


Could E be better choice if [i]flatly [/i]inc hanged to [i]flat[/i]?

In other words, E is rejected only on basis of using flatly but not flat?

Please give your comments.

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No, that wouldn't work. In this context, "as" means "because." That reverses the causation. Closet space wasn't needed because clothes could be packed flat. It doesn't make sense to say that clothes could be packed flat because closet space wasn't needed.
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I reached the right ans B but I have a doubt regarding option D.

I have read in manhattan SC book that whichever clause comes first is the instigator and the second clause/modifier is the result. So by that logic D should not imply reverse meaning as pointed out by someone in the post above.

Can you pls explain exactly why D is wrong?
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Hi experts, KarishmaB GMATNinja
I reached the right ans B but I have a doubt regarding option D.

I have read in manhattan SC book that whichever clause comes first is the instigator and the second clause/modifier is the result. So by that logic D should not imply reverse meaning as pointed out by someone in the post above.

Can you pls explain exactly why D is wrong?

Hello sv2023,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, there is no rule that cause must always precede the effect in the construction of a sentence; the second clause or modifier can also convey the cause rather than effect, and in this case, in fact, the particular phrase "there being..." conveys that the modifier refers to the cause.

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Hi experts, KarishmaB GMATNinja
I reached the right ans B but I have a doubt regarding option D.

I have read in manhattan SC book that whichever clause comes first is the instigator and the second clause/modifier is the result. So by that logic D should not imply reverse meaning as pointed out by someone in the post above.

Can you pls explain exactly why D is wrong?

Meaning wise, we do use 'being' as 'because' informally.

There being no applicants, the interviews were cancelled.

So when I read (D), I wonder whether "there being no necessity for elaborate closet facilities" is the reason for packing clothes flat. We know that that is not the case. Because clothes could be packed flat, closets were unnecessary.

Also, "elaborate closet facilities were unnecessary" is much more direct and elegant when compared with "there being no necessity for elaborate closet facilities".
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Hi Experts,

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I ended up marking Option (B) but I'm not certain if I would repeat the feat.

I was stuck between (A), (B) and (C)

And choose (B) because (A) and (C) looked identical

Does that make sense?

Also, when you solve a question like this when it comes down to adjective this or adverb that what should a meaningful take away be?

I have gone through all the posts and the only thing I am noting down is "GMAT is OK with double FANBOYS"

Thank you for taking the time to answer my query
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Hi Experts,

I ended up marking Option (B) but I'm not certain if I would repeat the feat.

I was stuck between (A), (B) and (C)

And choose (B) because (A) and (C) looked identical

Does that make sense?
That was a good hack for getting this one correct.

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Also, when you solve a question like this when it comes down to adjective this or adverb that what should a meaningful take away be?
The key takeaway is that meaning matters. The adverb "flatly" doesn't convey a meaning that makes sense in the context of this sentence, as discussed in this post.

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I have gone through all the posts and the only thing I am noting down is "GMAT is OK with double FANBOYS"
That is an incorrect takeaway. In the context of this question, "so" is not a FANBOYS conjunction. It's a conjunctive adverb. So, only one FANBOYS conjunction is used, "and."
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